Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home
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![]() Send message Joined: 16 May 20 Posts: 10 Credit: 3,813,274 RAC: 0 |
Sure, people are just donating hardware, time, power bills and more for free Really? Let us look at my first post: " Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? Is so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them." Here is the thing, if people see no new work, and a lot of jobs in que, they will go other places. Never did I use "I" but I used "no one". You see, the latter is pointing at something plural. So how you make this about me is inside your own head. Then you reply:
If no one complains or in any other way raise concern, how are obvious errors get fixed? Why should one just give up and let errors continue for ever? How does that improve anything? Then i try with yet another effort on a constructive reply: I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is to important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps. Then you reply
Now, how is this mocking from you being helpful? How does this make people feel welcome and useful? Try to explain why idle CPU _always_ i user failure. All you achieved is making me not wanting to contribute. You made me feel anything but welcome. You behave in a way that is just rude and sad. People i general like communities. People in general like an "us". Pe3ople in general like to contribute to a common good. This is one of the most important ways humans differ from all other animals. And no, this is not abut _me_. It is about Rosetta and the lack of a community and a lack of simple low effort moves that can be made to get even more people on board. So tell me, do you think Rosetta could use more processing power donated to the project? Do you care if Rosetta gains or loses computing power? |
mikey![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 8,893,974 RAC: 711 ![]() |
deleted as it's not worth my time. |
SoulReaper Send message Joined: 23 Nov 20 Posts: 2 Credit: 323,612 RAC: 0 |
All you achieved is making me not wanting to contribute. Ignore Sid Celery, he's a tool. My only response to the Celery guy would be that people are entitled to their opinions, just like you are. And they have a right to state it. You're such a fellow who's attacking everyone just because their opinion doesn't match yours. This is a place to discuss and you can't shut down people okay? So grow up and perhaps try using a neutral tone. No wonder there's no community when people like him roam around in these unmoderated forums. Check out F@H forums to see how they treat people, even for noob questions. And here we have people sitting on high horses and swinging maces for no reason smh. It's so funny lmao. |
![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1227 Credit: 14,140,275 RAC: 477 ![]() |
People deserve a proper break and I'm not inclined to demand they're dragged in to suit, what are essentially, hobbyists.No need to go in, just do a remote login & restart. If it fixes it, good. If not, then it can wait till they do go in. Restart what? I looked at the server status and saw no signs that the server has anything at a point where just restarting a program would do much to the rate at which workunits are created. All of the programs seem to be running already, ready to create new workunits from the outputs of previous workunits once those outputs are returned if the original instructions to the server had been to do a series of workunits from a smaller number of starting points. The server needs more starting points to create workunits faster, and it cannot create those starting points. People with the right knowledge can create starting points remotely using the Robetta interface, but there don't seem to be enough of those people who aren't tied up with Christmas activities. How many of the people demanding more workunits have been nice enough that they should get any, rather than having the server send them links to pictures of LARGE lumps of coal? |
![]() Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1227 Credit: 14,140,275 RAC: 477 ![]() |
[snip] Here is the thing, if people see no new work, and a lot of jobs in que, they will go other places. Never did I use "I" but I used "no one". You see, the latter is pointing at something plural. So how you make this about me is inside your own head. [snip] Where do you see lots of jobs in queue? When I looked at the server status, I saw lots of jobs in progress (i.e. already sent to computers that haven't finished and returned them), but no sign of a queue. |
Bryn Mawr Send message Joined: 26 Dec 18 Posts: 384 Credit: 11,702,765 RAC: 1,753 ![]() |
On the project home page it shows 11,144,555 work units available. These are the output of the generator and the feeder then ensures that there are always about 30,000 in the pot that is used by the downloader. The feeder is shown as running but is presumably not working correctly. |
![]() Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1610 Credit: 16,513,220 RAC: 5,922 ![]() |
That's part of he problem.People deserve a proper break and I'm not inclined to demand they're dragged in to suit, what are essentially, hobbyists.No need to go in, just do a remote login & restart. If it fixes it, good. If not, then it can wait till they do go in. It shows it's working, but nothing is happening. It would be easier to see if all the information was on the one page, but it isn't. On the main page it shows 11,144,555 queued jobs. In the server Status is shows Tasks ready to send is 0. The rah_make_work1 server takes the Queued jobs and turns them in to Tasks we can actually process. Once done, they go to the Tasks ready to send queue, then get sent out when people request work. Tasks in progress has gone from 5.5 million to less than 65k, even with all those millions of Queued jobs. That shows the system is broken. And one of the easiest & quickest fixes when a computer system has issues is to restart it. And for most server systems, management is done remotely. Hence no need for someone to go in, they just need to log in & give things a kick. Edit- it would also help if the server status was updated more often than every few hours- and that's when it is being updated. As near as i can tell it's presently 06:33 UTC, the time of the main page server status is 4:07:26 UTC, and on the Server status page it's 5:40:03 UTC. Grant Darwin NT |
![]() Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1610 Credit: 16,513,220 RAC: 5,922 ![]() |
The feeder is shown as running but is presumably not working correctly.For all we know it is- but until there is work to actually send out it doesn't matter if it is or isn't working. rah_make_work1 also shows as working, but as there is no work being produced you can be sure that isn't really the case. Grant Darwin NT |
![]() Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1958 Credit: 9,099,368 RAC: 978 ![]() |
Where do you see lots of jobs in queue? Home page of Rosetta: Total queued jobs: 11,148,825 On server status page: Tasks ready to send: 0 |
Bryn Mawr Send message Joined: 26 Dec 18 Posts: 384 Credit: 11,702,765 RAC: 1,753 ![]() |
The feeder is shown as running but is presumably not working correctly.For all we know it is- but until there is work to actually send out it doesn't matter if it is or isn't working. OK, I’d assumed that the feeder was the unit that fed work from the output of the generator to the ready to be sent queue. As the saying goes, assume makes an ass of u and me |
![]() Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1958 Credit: 9,099,368 RAC: 978 ![]() |
That's part of he problem. There are some daemons to queue jobs, like ./bin/xadd sudo a2enmod cgior /bin/update_versionsand others Maybe there is some problems in these steps.... |
![]() Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1958 Credit: 9,099,368 RAC: 978 ![]() |
For all we know it is- but until there is work to actually send out it doesn't matter if it is or isn't working. ./bin/stop ./bin/start With these 2 commands you can restart ALL daemons. 5 seconds of work and you can see if the problem is here... |
Brian Nixon Send message Joined: 12 Apr 20 Posts: 293 Credit: 8,432,366 RAC: 0 |
it would also help if the server status was updated more often than every few hours- and that's when it is being updatedAFAICT it is pretty regular: the front page gets updated every four hours (around 4, 8 and 12 Pacific time), and on the status page the Server status and Computing status get updated every ≈62 minutes (separately, at different offsets). |
mikey![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 8,893,974 RAC: 711 ![]() |
For all we know it is- but until there is work to actually send out it doesn't matter if it is or isn't working. But you are assuming someone is there, or at home, to do the work...there isn't! They do not work on weekends unless they have in lab stuff to do or Server updates or something that can't be done during the week. They take the weekends off because for them it's a 9 to 5 5 day a week job not a hobby as it is for us, sure they enjoy their work but so did you when you were working, but did YOU go in on weekends to do stuff knowing you weren't going to get paid for it and knowing if things got worse no one was there to help fix it. I know I didn't, I took every day off to it's fullest and spent it with my family and friends and then come the day I had to go back to work I started worrying about work stuff again. At one of my jobs they even had it set up so that most people could NOT go in to work because they disabled the access badges on weekends, you couldn't even get in the front door let alone do any work. In fact when I had to work late one night they had to have a Security Guard babysit me so I could get to the different places I needed to be as his badge worked and mine didn't. |
![]() Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1958 Credit: 9,099,368 RAC: 978 ![]() |
But you are assuming someone is there, or at home, to do the work...there isn't! They do not work on weekends unless they have in lab stuff to do or Server updates or something that can't be done during the week. They take the weekends off because for them it's a 9 to 5 5 day a week job not a hobby as it is for us, sure they enjoy their work but so did you when you were working, but did YOU go in on weekends to do stuff knowing you weren't going to get paid for it and knowing if things got worse no one was there to help fix it. Ehi, ehi, i'm NOT angry with admins. I KNOW they have their vacations and it's right. Mine are only considerations about Boinc server and his daemons. As i wrote some days ago, i hope these days someone can have time to see problems and not wait until the middle of January.... |
kn4mwd Send message Joined: 15 Apr 20 Posts: 3 Credit: 32,767 RAC: 0 |
12/28/2020 12:07:54 AM | Rosetta@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/28/2020 12:07:54 AM | Rosetta@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU 12/28/2020 12:07:56 AM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 12/28/2020 12:07:56 AM | Rosetta@home | No tasks sent 12/28/2020 12:07:56 AM | Rosetta@home | Project requested delay of 31 seconds 12/28/2020 9:37:22 AM | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy 12/28/2020 9:37:32 AM | | Resuming computation 12/28/2020 2:32:40 PM | Rosetta@home | Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 12/28/2020 2:32:40 PM | Rosetta@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU 12/28/2020 2:32:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 12/28/2020 2:32:42 PM | Rosetta@home | No tasks sent 12/28/2020 2:32:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Project requested delay of 31 seconds 12/28/2020 2:49:55 PM | | Suspending computation - CPU is busy 12/28/2020 2:50:05 PM | | Resuming computation what gives? |
Brian Nixon Send message Joined: 12 Apr 20 Posts: 293 Credit: 8,432,366 RAC: 0 |
There is a problem on the server such that it is not sending out any new tasks to anybody. It is probably temporary, but might not be rectified until after the holiday.12/28/2020 2:32:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new taskswhat gives? |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5690 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 381 ![]() |
Still 0 There is a problem on the server such that it is not sending out any new tasks to anybody. It is probably temporary, but might not be rectified until after the holiday.12/28/2020 2:32:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 0 new taskswhat gives? |
Brian Nixon Send message Joined: 12 Apr 20 Posts: 293 Credit: 8,432,366 RAC: 0 |
Still 0Still holiday |
mikey![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 8,893,974 RAC: 711 ![]() |
Still 0Still holiday Maybe not even until after the 1st ie the 4th since the 1st is a Friday. Lots of other fish in the sea, catch what you can elsewhere and keep checking back here so you can get some when they have some. |
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