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Message 10876 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 7:01:19 UTC
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Can we get a bit of an explaination how that is going to work?
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Message 10878 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 9:34:48 UTC

I to have no idea what this means ?

If its been answered some where else could someone please post a link ?

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Message 10880 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 10:31:26 UTC

It's pretty simple. With the new app, all work units should run for approximately 8 hours by default. The application will figure out how many predictions to make based on this 8 hour limit which can be thought of as a "target cpu run time". You will be able to change this limit as a project specific preference. To do so:

1, click on the "Participants" link above and login if you have to.
2. click on the "View or edit Rosetta@home preferences" link.
3. click on the "Edit Rosetta@home preferences" link.
4. select a "Target CPU run time" from the pull down menu.
5. click the "Update preferences" button.
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Message 10881 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 11:44:56 UTC

Cheers for that much appreciated.

So how will this effect the points system ?


Presumably the more predictions a certain computer can make in this eight hour stint means it will pick up more points ?



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Message 10882 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 12:22:18 UTC

What would be the purpose, advantage or disadvantage, of altering this time parameter?
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Message 10883 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 12:23:58 UTC - in response to Message 10880.  

It's pretty simple. With the new app, all work units should run for approximately 8 hours by default. The application will figure out how many predictions to make based on this 8 hour limit which can be thought of as a "target cpu run time". You will be able to change this limit as a project specific preference. To do so:

1, click on the "Participants" link above and login if you have to.
2. click on the "View or edit Rosetta@home preferences" link.
3. click on the "Edit Rosetta@home preferences" link.
4. select a "Target CPU run time" from the pull down menu.
5. click the "Update preferences" button.



How does the app know how many predictions to make within the specified run time?

Is it based on the benchmarks?
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Message 10885 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 13:14:05 UTC - in response to Message 10882.  

What would be the purpose, advantage or disadvantage, of altering this time parameter?



My understanding is that this is a method to deal with the bandwidth issue.

If you are on dial-up or a capped high speed connection, then setting the run time high can help decrease the number of down and uploads.

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Message 10893 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 15:24:34 UTC

Is there then a preferential setting for the science side?
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Message 10898 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 18:08:53 UTC

The default will be the preferential setting since it will be easier for us to determine the approximate throughput to figure out how many work units to send out. This feature will not effect the crediting system.
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Message 10900 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 18:14:17 UTC
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Thank you sir.


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Message 10901 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 18:32:52 UTC

Cheers for clearing that up. :)
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Message 10902 - Posted: 18 Feb 2006, 19:01:59 UTC

So basically if we are happy at the moment with our preferences then we should leave well alone ?

many thanks


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Message 10916 - Posted: 19 Feb 2006, 3:11:31 UTC

ummm - where does the "science" stand on this? I used to download one unit, run to completion, download another. Is it the case that I could have saved hours of processing time by just killing the unit? What drove this timeout decision? Give us a clue.......
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Message 10918 - Posted: 19 Feb 2006, 5:32:19 UTC

This change does not affect the science. Generally, our goal is to predict a large number of protein structures and we can achieve this with both methods. For example, instead of sending out 1,000 work units that make 10 predictions each for a total of 10,000 predictions, we can now determine the average number of predictions per work unit on our new RALPH test server and make an estimate of how many work units to send to clients. So if the average is 20 predictions per work unit on our test server, then we would send out 500 work units to get back roughly 10,000 predictions from our production server. Since we benefit from as much sampling as possible, the more predictions the better. So if 500 work units were not enough, we would just send more to crunch.
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Message 10923 - Posted: 19 Feb 2006, 8:37:57 UTC - in response to Message 10918.  

... we can now determine the average number of predictions per work unit on our new RALPH test server and make an estimate of how many work units to send to clients.

Since you now seem to pre-run each new WU on RALPH to determine the average number of predictions, you could also determine the average claimed credit per prediction on RALPH, then pass this number to the production server WUs and have them claim that number times the performed predictions as credit (reminds me of the pseudo-rd. discussion we once had around here) ...
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