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Message 107455 - Posted: 16 Oct 2022, 22:53:56 UTC

I just attached to Cosmology@Home with my Android (yes I know they don't have Android tasks, I was testing the connection). It connected fine, to "http://www.cosmologyathome.org/"

How come it wasn't redirected when it tried to log in?
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Message 107456 - Posted: 16 Oct 2022, 22:55:51 UTC - in response to Message 107455.  

I was able to open profile at cosmology@home, but then i logged out and can't log in.
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Message 107458 - Posted: 16 Oct 2022, 22:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 107456.  
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I was able to open profile at cosmology@home, but then i logged out and can't log in.
Somebody needs to contact them. Anyone got a live contact?

All my computers are still connected with Boinc, and I can turn things off and on in Boinc, I just can't to the website to change settings any more. So I can probably still do work for them ok as I've got most stuff in that project set up perfectly here.
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Message 107459 - Posted: 16 Oct 2022, 23:35:26 UTC - in response to Message 107458.  

I was able to open profile at cosmology@home, but then i logged out and can't log in.
Somebody needs to contact them. Anyone got a live contact?

All my computers are still connected with Boinc, and I can turn things off and on in Boinc, I just can't to the website to change settings any more. So I can probably still do work for them ok as I've got most stuff in that project set up perfectly here.

I THINK I was able to find a live contact and report it.

Let's watch over the next few days to see if this worked.

The error was reported there months ago.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7812
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Message 107460 - Posted: 16 Oct 2022, 23:59:07 UTC - in response to Message 107459.  

I THINK I was able to find a live contact and report it.

Let's watch over the next few days to see if this worked.
Thanks, hopefully you found someone, because there was no reply to the below link. Strange they don't already know though, unless the server is almost never looked at. If they see jobs coming through (from those of us already logged in) they might not realise.

The error was reported there months ago.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7812
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Message 107461 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 0:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 107459.  

I was able to open profile at cosmology@home, but then i logged out and can't log in.
Somebody needs to contact them. Anyone got a live contact?

All my computers are still connected with Boinc, and I can turn things off and on in Boinc, I just can't to the website to change settings any more. So I can probably still do work for them ok as I've got most stuff in that project set up perfectly here.

I THINK I was able to find a live contact and report it.

Let's watch over the next few days to see if this worked.

The error was reported there months ago.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7812

People have been trying for some time to contact the project head, Marius Millea, for some time. The biggest problem seems to be that he is no longer at Illinois (I believe he's now at the Poincaré Institute), and has stopped maintaining the C@H site.
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Message 107462 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 0:34:41 UTC
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Is it that the `public` that have never run a BOINC project can use http to read the forums , read only .
Any account login needs https to protect username/password being stolen , read - write .
The BOINC client behind boinc manager uses its own ftp to fetch and upload work wether logged in or not , web browser running or not .
Or am I barking up the wrong tree .
Or just plain barking .
Never been to Barking , wonderfull name for a town :-)

And when I posted that lot above all I got was :-
"This page can not be displayed" -
blank screen etc
AND HAD TO TYPE IT ALL OVER AGAIN . . . nNnN nnnn fugnnn stupid interknot screw upsss
so this time ile swipe/copy it first in case it duz it again
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Message 107463 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 0:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 107461.  

I was able to open profile at cosmology@home, but then i logged out and can't log in.
Somebody needs to contact them. Anyone got a live contact?

All my computers are still connected with Boinc, and I can turn things off and on in Boinc, I just can't to the website to change settings any more. So I can probably still do work for them ok as I've got most stuff in that project set up perfectly here.

I THINK I was able to find a live contact and report it.

Let's watch over the next few days to see if this worked.

The error was reported there months ago.

http://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7812

People have been trying for some time to contact the project head, Marius Millea, for some time. The biggest problem seems to be that he is no longer at Illinois (I believe he's now at the Poincaré Institute), and has stopped maintaining the C@H site.

It now looks like he did not arrange for anyone else to take over maintaining the C@H site.

If so, it's questionable for anyone to continue participating in that project.
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Message 107464 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 0:53:11 UTC - in response to Message 107463.  
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People have been trying for some time to contact the project head, Marius Millea, for some time. The biggest problem seems to be that he is no longer at Illinois (I believe he's now at the Poincaré Institute), and has stopped maintaining the C@H site.
It now looks like he did not arrange for anyone else to take over maintaining the C@H site.
If so, it's questionable for anyone to continue participating in that project.


Ben Wandelt was the original creator of cosmology@home years ago and he went `home` to Paris a few years ago ,
not that it matters where his feet are , just call in to the project , heck once a month would be a big improvement
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Message 107465 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 2:09:13 UTC - in response to Message 107462.  

Is it that the `public` that have never run a BOINC project can use http to read the forums , read only .
Any account login needs https to protect username/password being stolen , read - write .
The BOINC client behind boinc manager uses its own ftp to fetch and upload work wether logged in or not , web browser running or not .
Ah that makes sense, I wondered how Boinc was managing. Although I assume it doesn't use ftp to join the project? I got my phone to join it ok.

Or am I barking up the wrong tree .
Or just plain barking .
Never been to Barking , wonderfull name for a town :-)
I prefer Fucking in Austria, Kissing between Munich and Augsburg, Titting in Bavaria, and a Wank on a mountain in the Bavarian Alps.

And when I posted that lot above all I got was :-
"This page can not be displayed" -
blank screen etc
AND HAD TO TYPE IT ALL OVER AGAIN . . . nNnN nnnn fugnnn stupid interknot screw upsss
so this time ile swipe/copy it first in case it duz it again
Yeah that's happened to me. Anything written with Boinc code screws up every 5 minutes. For example, I have a Primegrid task which has taken 5 days to do 33%. So, can we guess how long the other 67% will take? Boinc says 150 days. How can a programmer be that monumentally stupid?
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Message 107466 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 4:33:08 UTC - in response to Message 107465.  
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Yeah that's happened to me. Anything written with Boinc code screws up every 5 minutes. For example, I have a Primegrid task which has taken 5 days to do 33%. So, can we guess how long the other 67% will take? Boinc says 150 days. How can a programmer be that monumentally stupid?

Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,
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Message 107467 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 4:56:07 UTC - in response to Message 107466.  

Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,
No, it's just Boinc, it doesn't have a clue how to add up, it's always doing stupid stuff. Like leaving everything to the very last minute and returning tasks late.
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Message 107468 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 5:16:10 UTC - in response to Message 107466.  

Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,
If that was true, it would only work once. Boinc then adjusts using the duration correction factor. So, no point in a project doing so.
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Message 107469 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 14:47:31 UTC - in response to Message 107468.  

Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,
If that was true, it would only work once. Boinc then adjusts using the duration correction factor. So, no point in a project doing so.

What I'm seeing with GPUGRID work does not agree with you. The tasks start out with an expected runtime of hundreds of days (well past the deadline) and actually finish in less than two days, over and over.

One possibility I've thought of - the duration correction factor works for CPU tasks, but does not work for GPU tasks. I've only seen this odd behavior on GPU tasks, GPUGRID seldom offers any CPU tasks.
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Message 107470 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 16:41:53 UTC - in response to Message 107469.  

Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,
If that was true, it would only work once. Boinc then adjusts using the duration correction factor. So, no point in a project doing so.

What I'm seeing with GPUGRID work does not agree with you. The tasks start out with an expected runtime of hundreds of days (well past the deadline) and actually finish in less than two days, over and over.

One possibility I've thought of - the duration correction factor works for CPU tasks, but does not work for GPU tasks. I've only seen this odd behavior on GPU tasks, GPUGRID seldom offers any CPU tasks.



I run GPU grid as well. I think what screws up BOINC time remaining is that although it is a GPU task it is running a ton of CPU processes and this backwards running is what BOINC does not understand.
I am 80.80% done with the current task in 2 days and 8 hours and 42 minutes, remaining time to completion is 11 days 11 hours and 16 minutes. Somehow that does make sense.
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Message 107471 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 16:43:06 UTC

Cosmology, I used their fine print to get to the University's Astronomy Department and emailed them asking if they could find the right person for the BOINC side.
No response so far. Doubt there ever will be.
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Message 107472 - Posted: 17 Oct 2022, 23:02:23 UTC - in response to Message 107260.  

For those of you interested in other BOINC projects:

collatz has shut down, and expects a few months before it is ready to restart.

SETI@home has shut down, and plans to restart only when they get a new source of data.

cosmology@home appears to have a server problem - they've been unreachable for about a day.

RNA World stopped creating workunits over a year ago, but is still trying to get their last 20 or so workunits finished. The remaining workunits are expected to run for months each.



So whats left out there for science? Denis is down with a unexpected model issue or something along those lines. WCG is barely getting by and not all projects are online and seem to kick up transient http errors by the dozens. SiDock is the only really new project kicking butt.
I run a few other projects as well along with GPU Grid.
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Message 107473 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 1:04:06 UTC - in response to Message 107469.  

What I'm seeing with GPUGRID work does not agree with you. The tasks start out with an expected runtime of hundreds of days (well past the deadline) and actually finish in less than two days, over and over.

One possibility I've thought of - the duration correction factor works for CPU tasks, but does not work for GPU tasks. I've only seen this odd behavior on GPU tasks, GPUGRID seldom offers any CPU tasks.
Complain to GPU Grid and suggest you might leave if they mess around. Stealing CPU time from other projects is theft.
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Message 107474 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 1:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 107471.  

Cosmology, I used their fine print to get to the University's Astronomy Department and emailed them asking if they could find the right person for the BOINC side.
No response so far. Doubt there ever will be.
Well I assume there's an Astronomy department still alive and kicking, and they'll pass it on or tell you something's not in use any more. It seems odd to me though they'd leave a server switched on with nobody doing anything. However there must be, because twice recently I've seen it grind to a halt due to lack of disk space, then suddenly there was disk space, that can only mean human intervention.
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Message 107475 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 1:10:56 UTC - in response to Message 107472.  
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So whats left out there for science? Denis is down with a unexpected model issue or something along those lines. WCG is barely getting by and not all projects are online and seem to kick up transient http errors by the dozens. SiDock is the only really new project kicking butt.
I run a few other projects as well along with GPU Grid.
I run these:

Climate prediction: rare CPU tasks at the moment, but lots more coming with a new program they're writing to use multiple cores to allow more accurate research, and virtualbox so the linux stuff can be run on windows.

Cosmology

Denis

Einstein - new radio waves research by a PhD student

LHC - constant supply of single core and multicore VB work.

Milkyway

QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research

Rosetta

Sidock

TN-Grid - genetics

Universe

WCG - loads of work now, and I've never had a single error you speak of
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