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Message 107610 - Posted: 28 Oct 2022, 23:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 107600.  

The death of Ralph@home is not a good sign...

"This parrot is dead"
Errm . .
Oh .
sorry wrong forum .
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Message 107611 - Posted: 29 Oct 2022, 0:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 107601.  

There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.
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Message 107612 - Posted: 29 Oct 2022, 8:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 107611.  

There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.



The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?
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Message 107613 - Posted: 29 Oct 2022, 13:13:10 UTC - in response to Message 107612.  

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The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?

Robetta is a system that allows people outside their campus to enter work. This creates workunits with names that start with rb_ .
Work can also be created on campus, giving workunits with names that don't start with rb_ and at least used to be most of what was available.
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Message 107614 - Posted: 29 Oct 2022, 14:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 107613.  

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The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?

Robetta is a system that allows people outside their campus to enter work. This creates workunits with names that start with rb_ .
Work can also be created on campus, giving workunits with names that don't start with rb_ and at least used to be most of what was available.



ok, so short of clicking every workunit or whatever...how can you tell at a glance what is going to come here?
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Message 107615 - Posted: 29 Oct 2022, 14:32:04 UTC - in response to Message 107614.  

There is show names link at rosetta results page.
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Message 107616 - Posted: 30 Oct 2022, 0:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 107612.  

There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?

You never seem to get tired of whining about something, do you
I thought you were going to leave
The latter would be preferable if the former is the only thing you ever have to say
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Message 107617 - Posted: 31 Oct 2022, 3:24:41 UTC - in response to Message 107611.  

There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

Maybe another 100k went through a few hours ago, but they seem to have all been picked up already.
Regular tasks, even if never quite sufficient to last
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Message 107619 - Posted: 31 Oct 2022, 18:49:59 UTC - in response to Message 107617.  

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

Maybe another 100k went through a few hours ago, but they seem to have all been picked up already.
Regular tasks, even if never quite sufficient to last

On this page you can easily see if some tasks are available and how the supply was in the past 90 days.
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Message 107620 - Posted: 31 Oct 2022, 19:05:41 UTC - in response to Message 107619.  

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

Maybe another 100k went through a few hours ago, but they seem to have all been picked up already.
Regular tasks, even if never quite sufficient to last

On this page you can easily see if some tasks are available and how the supply was in the past 90 days.


Sorry to be awkward but is there an equivalent showing the figures from the front page rather than the status page?
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Message 107621 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 0:27:28 UTC - in response to Message 107616.  
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There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?

You never seem to get tired of whining about something, do you
I thought you were going to leave
The latter would be preferable if the former is the only thing you ever have to say



Because you all say, oh theres work...yeah..where?
I say theres work for their neural network and not so much for us.
So I wonder where you guys get your data from that there is "work" for us.
I go through 17 pages of data at random intervals and find only stuff for neural network.
So what pages and what tags have the stuff for here?

That's what I am pushing at. You might try to use some logic in that head of yours instead of whining all the time about what I say. I get tired of you just whining and not providing answers to show that I am wrong in what I say. Don't like what I have to say, ignore it and move on or just put me in your list of people you don't want to see.

Computing status
Work
Tasks ready to send 0

So where in all those pages on Robetta is the next supposed batch of work?
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Message 107624 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 8:25:54 UTC - in response to Message 107620.  

On this page you can easily see if some tasks are available and how the supply was in the past 90 days.


Sorry to be awkward but is there an equivalent showing the figures from the front page rather than the status page?
No, I don't think so, it's not standard BOINC page.
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Message 107625 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 9:56:49 UTC - in response to Message 107624.  

On this page you can easily see if some tasks are available and how the supply was in the past 90 days.


Sorry to be awkward but is there an equivalent showing the figures from the front page rather than the status page?
No, I don't think so, it's not standard BOINC page.


Oh well, the link is useful anyway so many thanks.
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Message 107627 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 13:09:19 UTC - in response to Message 107621.  

There really is nothing quite so tiresome as random people claiming the project is going to close down because they had a period with no tasks.

Not sure as the front page and server status page haven't been updated quite yet, but another batch of tasks seem to be coming through

Very small - maybe 50-60k. Not even enough to fill all cores at any one time.
Ah well, something.

The majority of the work goes to their 3 channel deep learning system.
That's what I saw on Robetta at least.
Robetta is the system that feeds all systems right? There is no separate system that feeds here?

You never seem to get tired of whining about something, do you
I thought you were going to leave
The latter would be preferable if the former is the only thing you ever have to say

Because you all say, oh there's work...yeah..where?
I say there's work for their neural network and not so much for us.
So I wonder where you guys get your data from that there is "work" for us.
I go through 17 pages of data at random intervals and find only stuff for neural network.
So what pages and what tags have the stuff for here?

What pages?! I don't think there's any page or any individual line on a page on that Robetta queue you can interpret to be for here or for anywhere else ever at any time.
I think that looking at that page to try and discern what's for us and what isn't is a complete and total waste of time for anyone. Don't try.
But if you do, and you bring some impossible interpretation of what you see as any kind of justification for any claim you want to imagine, it's only going to make me think you want me to interpret your dreams.
As far as I can see, there's no indication that any line refers to 1, 1,000 or 1,000,000 tasks for here or anywhere else.
The number of lines listed each day from each researcher makes me think there are a few hundred of each and, as such, neither here nor there - that is, an indication of nothing.

Where do I get data that there's work for here? From the consistent downloading of tasks eg last Friday from 6pm to about 2am the next morning that filled a buffer on two machines I was next to on every call for new work.
And also from the eventual change in tasks in progress reported on the front page and/or server status page.

That's what I am pushing at. You might try to use some logic in that head of yours instead of whining all the time about what I say. I get tired of you just whining and not providing answers to show that I am wrong in what I say. Don't like what I have to say, ignore it and move on or just put me in your list of people you don't want to see.

Computing status
Work
Tasks ready to send 0

So where in all those pages on Robetta is the next supposed batch of work?

An individual snapshot once every several hours is meaningless.
The difference between 2 snapshots with known time between them and looking at the change in in-progress tasks might indicate what's happened between those times.
It's quite possible (indeed quite likely) that two snapshots 4hrs apart show 0 ready to send both times, but if 'In Progress' has increased by, say, 50k and you can see that, say, 35k tasks have been completed in the last 24hrs that 3k tasks per hour have reduced from In Progress while the In Progress total has increased by 50k, then ~62k have been issued and downloaded between those times.
That's the calculation that leads to the statement that tasks of that order have been newly issued. It's that simple (if a bit nerdy).

Between last night and this morning my main PC pulled down another 40 tasks in 2 calls for work, so again tasks are being issued, but not in great number, so tasks ready to send still show 0.
Enough for everyone? Of course not. Getting any of those tasks is pure luck. My laptop got none.

I've posted the situation at the project a few times already. Whining about whatever incomprehensible thing you're going on about makes absolutely no difference to anything. We heard the first time, the 10th time and the 100th time and it won't make any more sense or have any more relevance the 500th time, so give yourself a rest or find somewhere else where someone might be interested. Somewhere that's not here, ideally.
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Message 107642 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 16:58:05 UTC - in response to Message 107578.  

Better simply set WCG to NNT and enable other projects until they get it to work properly, running scripts like that makes everything only worse and no additional science is going to be done that way, as instead of yours some other, maybe unattended computers are going to be idle. WCG has currently more than enough resources, no need to force more in there.
Some of us like the stats, as do you judging by your sig.
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Message 107643 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 17:00:15 UTC - in response to Message 107582.  
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Krembil isn't exactly a multi-billion dollar corporation like IBM is.
They have a much smaller budget and the WCG team is asking for donations.
I thought they were, maybe I looked up Robert Krembil the businessman and thought he owned it.
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Message 107644 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 17:02:20 UTC - in response to Message 107587.  
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True, I get fewer of the ARP1 tasks, sometimes none.
I also get fewer ARP, but severaler cancer tasks.
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Message 107645 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 17:03:52 UTC - in response to Message 107588.  

They're now back to tasks for at least three sub-projects, at the cost of much less total work.

The ARP1 tasks now seem to be only retries for tasks originally sent out about a week ago.

Download problems again.
They ought to put Covid just on GPU and let the CPUs do the other ones.
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Message 107646 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 17:05:01 UTC - in response to Message 107590.  

Something must be stuck on my account in their server. But it is not the worst problem they have.
It will eventually get cleared out. Thanks.
All accounts were stuck, you couldn't change settings like which venue your computer is in. But suddenly mine works. Perhaps they didn't fix it for everyone. Where's Savile when you need him?
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Message 107647 - Posted: 3 Nov 2022, 17:06:02 UTC - in response to Message 107594.  

Rosetta is out of work, DENIS has a model problem, COSMO has a SSL problem, what else is going on out there with problems? Seems like you need 12 projects to get 8 of them with work at any given time.
Cosmo works fine, it's just difficult to get to the pages on their website.
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