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Message 103979 - Posted: 1 Jan 2022, 13:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 103977.  

Have you checked on the Ryzen computer's page to see whether the "allow" button is showing? It should say "skip".


I don't think I can. It's running through gridcoin on grcpool.com.

I assume you're telling me to override some blockage because it's been blacklisted? That would be strange as it processed many many workunits and only 1 was aborted by me when it ran several times longer than normal.
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Message 103980 - Posted: 1 Jan 2022, 13:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 103979.  
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Correction, I found it's ID in client state, but I see no allow or skip.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6167614
By the way, there should be about 50 completed tasks in there.

I do see allow on my old page, for when I wasn't in the pool:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3772248

I will attempt to connect it to Rosetta outside the pool to change the button....
No, that failed, I got the other ID.

The odd thing is it used to get them fine, why would that have been disallowed?

And this is weird:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/host_app_versions.php?hostid=6167614
89 tasks completed none valid?
My i5 has completed 100 successfully, and they show there ok.

Ryzen has the latest Vbox - 6.1, the i5 has 5.2. Is there a problem with the new Vbox?
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Message 103991 - Posted: 1 Jan 2022, 19:39:35 UTC - in response to Message 103978.  
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Duplicate...


If you edit your duplicate post and just put two space characters in it, it gets deleted immediately.
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Message 103992 - Posted: 1 Jan 2022, 19:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 103979.  
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Have you checked on the Ryzen computer's page to see whether the "allow" button is showing? It should say "skip".


I don't think I can. It's running through gridcoin on grcpool.com.

I assume you're telling me to override some blockage because it's been blacklisted? That would be strange as it processed many many workunits and only 1 was aborted by me when it ran several times longer than normal.

Could that mean that grcpool.com is blacklisted, rather than your computer? If so, it could be due to other users also using grcpool.com.
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Message 103993 - Posted: 1 Jan 2022, 20:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 103992.  

Could that mean that grcpool.com is blacklisted, rather than your computer? If so, it could be due to other users also using grcpool.com.


No, my other computer, glass, an i5, also on grcpool, receives them normally. I detached then reattached the offending Ryzen, and it received a huge number of non-Vbox tasks, which means either it's still banned, but only for vbox, or I cleared the ban but the non-vbox tasks just happened to appear at that point (since my i5 then got 50% tasks as non-vbox - however the Ryzen was 100% non-vbox).
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Message 104010 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 1:25:13 UTC
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I've been a Rosetta@home participant since the beginning. And, never had I had problems getting new WU's . Now, it appears I have to jump
through new hoops? It shouldn't be that difficult. SiDock@home hands out new WU's like candy. Am counting on Dr. Baker to bring back
the good old days.
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Message 104011 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 1:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 104010.  

Am counting on Dr. Baker to bring back the good old days.
The Good Old Days were pre-AI (artificial intelligence). The world has changed.
They have not bothered to update us though.
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Message 104013 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 7:39:48 UTC - in response to Message 104011.  

Am counting on Dr. Baker to bring back the good old days.
The Good Old Days were pre-AI (artificial intelligence). The world has changed.
They have not bothered to update us though.



Dr. Baker is not involved in the tech side.
That is DEK and others.
Since years ago DEK and friends have disappeared.
There is no mod there is no updates, its a black hole with regards to RAH.
The AI system takes all their time now.
AND...they don't like change.
Look how you don't have any control on how many Pythons you get.
Its a all or nothing approach.

This is the new reality.
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Message 104019 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 16:32:08 UTC - in response to Message 104013.  

Am counting on Dr. Baker to bring back the good old days.
The Good Old Days were pre-AI (artificial intelligence). The world has changed.
They have not bothered to update us though.



Dr. Baker is not involved in the tech side.
That is DEK and others.
Since years ago DEK and friends have disappeared.
There is no mod there is no updates, its a black hole with regards to RAH.
The AI system takes all their time now.
AND...they don't like change.
Look how you don't have any control on how many Pythons you get.
Its a all or nothing approach.

This is the new reality.


I don't see the problem. So it doesn't run on antique machines. So it doesn't work well with gridcoin. But normal machines are just fine. LHC has been using Vbox for ages and they don't have all this grumbling.
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Message 104020 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 18:02:10 UTC - in response to Message 104019.  

I don't see the problem. So it doesn't run on antique machines. So it doesn't work well with gridcoin. But normal machines are just fine. LHC has been using Vbox for ages and they don't have all this grumbling.

See if you can figure out how to install Linux (Ubuntu is easy enough) and run the pythons.
Let us know how you do (or you could read this thread if it is not too much trouble).
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Message 104021 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 18:14:04 UTC - in response to Message 104020.  

I don't see the problem. So it doesn't run on antique machines. So it doesn't work well with gridcoin. But normal machines are just fine. LHC has been using Vbox for ages and they don't have all this grumbling.

See if you can figure out how to install Linux (Ubuntu is easy enough) and run the pythons.
Let us know how you do (or you could read this thread if it is not too much trouble).

Most people use Windows, it's not like they're removing a huge amount of users. If you want things to run smoothly, don't use weird operating systems.
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Message 104022 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 18:56:00 UTC - in response to Message 104021.  

Windows works better on the pythons, and Linux is weird. That is true enough.
But any normal project with a real administrator would have a sticky with Best Practices for running the pythons.

This is not a normal forum.
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Message 104023 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 19:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 104022.  

If they weren't getting the results back fast enough, they'd give us some help, so I can only assume they're happy with the speed we're going at.

Are the pythons actual research, or is it a test program?
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Message 104024 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 19:30:38 UTC - in response to Message 104023.  

If they weren't getting the results back fast enough, they'd give us some help, so I can only assume they're happy with the speed we're going at.

Are the pythons actual research, or is it a test program?

I wonder how happy they are. They don't tell us one way or the other, or what their goals are.
We only know how many they have in the hopper, which are a lot.

The pythons are research of sorts. We don't know much about that either.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=102761#102761
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Message 104025 - Posted: 3 Jan 2022, 19:46:04 UTC - in response to Message 104024.  

Looks like this is why my Ryzen got banned (and I can't unban it since I'm doing it through a gridcoin pool): "We recommend the VirtualBox version that is included in the recommended BOINC Windows installer, since newer VirtualBox versions do not work correctly for all projects."

Yeah I'd like more information, but this is the only project that gives us the big hopper value, most just show the small customer facing buffer.
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Message 104030 - Posted: 4 Jan 2022, 19:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 104025.  

Looks like this is why my Ryzen got banned (and I can't unban it since I'm doing it through a gridcoin pool): "We recommend the VirtualBox version that is included in the recommended BOINC Windows installer, since newer VirtualBox versions do not work correctly for all projects."

Yeah I'd like more information, but this is the only project that gives us the big hopper value, most just show the small customer facing buffer.



That's odd since I am running 6.1.30 and everything is fine.
Official version (included in BOINC download) is 6.1.12 from October last year.
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Message 104031 - Posted: 4 Jan 2022, 19:47:59 UTC

Just purchased 32gb of RAM to boost my system.
When python was running this morning along with the other projects it ate up 97% of my memory.
Thats 24 GB gone in a heartbeat!
So I swap out some old 4GB modules and put in 2x 16GB plus 2X existing 8GB modules and I think I should have enough memory for awhile. The 4's go back to my first PC. Just been reusing them every new build.
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Message 104032 - Posted: 4 Jan 2022, 20:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 104030.  

That's odd since I am running 6.1.30 and everything is fine.
Official version (included in BOINC download) is 6.1.12 from October last year.
I can't think why my Ryzen kept failing tasks. They said ok here, but they didn't validate at their end. It's fine with everything else in Boinc and otherwise and never goes wrong. It has 64GB of the fastest RAM available and is not overclocked.
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Message 104033 - Posted: 4 Jan 2022, 22:45:19 UTC - in response to Message 104032.  

That's odd since I am running 6.1.30 and everything is fine.
Official version (included in BOINC download) is 6.1.12 from October last year.
I can't think why my Ryzen kept failing tasks. They said ok here, but they didn't validate at their end. It's fine with everything else in Boinc and otherwise and never goes wrong. It has 64GB of the fastest RAM available and is not overclocked.



Your Ryzen is showing all 0's, so there is no way to see what's going on from this side.
Maybe includes some links to the failed tasks or run some more and post the links to those tasks before they disappear.

What tasks are you trying to run? 4.2 or Python?
Are you doing any sort of OC on your cores?
One other option to try, kind of a catch all hail mary idea, run out all your RAH work and then reset the project.


That's about all I have for answers right now.
Jim1348 might have some other ideas....
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Message 104034 - Posted: 4 Jan 2022, 23:25:27 UTC - in response to Message 104033.  

That's about all I have for answers right now.
Jim1348 might have some other ideas....

I looked at his setup and didn't see anything obviously wrong with it.
How long are they running? It should be around 2 to 4 hours or so.

As for validation, I would suspect an antivirus might be interfering with them.
Just excluding the project does not always work, since "real time protection" still inspects the packets, and maybe changes them.
I would temporarily disable the AV and see what happens.
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