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Message 101442 - Posted: 22 Apr 2021, 7:07:56 UTC - in response to Message 101425.  

I've had a couple of work units crash out after 30-40 seconds this afternoon. Exit status 0x00000001.

I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that.

<core_client_version>7.16.11</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
Incorrect function.
 (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)</message>
<stderr_txt>
command: projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.20_windows_x86_64.exe -run:protocol jd2_scripting -parser:protocol pre_helix_boinc_v1.xml @helix_design.flags -in:file:silent pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.silent -in:file:silent_struct_type binary -silent_gz -mute all -silent_read_through_errors true -out:file:silent_struct_type binary -out:file:silent default.out -in:file:boinc_wu_zip pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.zip @pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.flags -nstruct 10000 -cpu_run_time 28800 -boinc:max_nstruct 20000 -checkpoint_interval 120 -database minirosetta_database -in::file::zip minirosetta_database.zip -boinc::watchdog -boinc::cpu_run_timeout 36000 -run::rng mt19937 -constant_seed -jran 2417999
Using database: database_357d5d93529_n_methylminirosetta_database

ERROR: [ERROR] Unable to open constraints file: e8132c30c9ee547672281ce157b2ec8d_0001.MSAcst
ERROR:: Exit from: ......srccorescoringconstraintsConstraintIO.cc line: 457
BOINC:: Error reading and gzipping output datafile: default.out
13:08:50 (9888): called boinc_finish(1)

</stderr_txt>
]]>



I've had another 50+ that completed & Validated without issue.
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Message 101447 - Posted: 22 Apr 2021, 17:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 101427.  

That's funny....you actually thinking MS gives a crap about what YOU, or your organization, wants to do with THEIR software. I hope it works for you I really really do but past history suggests MS just ups the priority of their updates and you get unwanted ones anyway because it serves their tracking needs.
It's my computer and they can't make me do anything, including pay for it.
LOL!!! They are Borg and you will be assimilated!!!
Gates looks like one.
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Message 101448 - Posted: 22 Apr 2021, 17:47:36 UTC - in response to Message 101429.  

wear levelling
I don't know exactly how they work,
It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.
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Message 101449 - Posted: 22 Apr 2021, 17:48:47 UTC - in response to Message 101433.  

I've had a couple of miniprotein_relax8_ error out after a while with a similar error message
Haven't all those tasks been aborted by the server now?
They were still going through Yesterday, but given the low percentage of errors i didn't consider them to be an issue. That you did have such a high number of errors indicated that there was something going on with your system.

You make a good point tbf.
I'm getting even more errors atm, but without the rebooting of the PC.
Something bad definitely going on with my machine, but with everything else happening it's been hard for me to determine the cause up to now.
Time for some tweaking #brb
Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and fustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.
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Message 101450 - Posted: 22 Apr 2021, 17:50:46 UTC - in response to Message 101441.  

And SSDs used for recording video streams 24/7 will also last just as long if they have plenty of free space (30% or more) to allow for garbage collection & wear levelling to occur as needed.
I don't know exactly how they work, but let's say I have mine 80% full of stuff that remains there. Then I repeatedly write to the remaining 20%. That 20% will wear out. When there aren't enough spare bits to reallocate, won't it just say "I'm now a smaller disk"? 80% of the drive is pretty much as new!
Of course if you were to treat a HDD the way you described, you would considerably shorten it's life expectancy as well.
HDDs that spend all their time thrashing tend to die very young.

You did see where i wrote about leaving sufficient free space? At least 30%? If there is only 20% free space on the drive (SSD or HDD) it is for all intents and purposes full and should be replaced with a much larger unit, or more spaced freed up.
Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.
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Message 101452 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 7:44:23 UTC - in response to Message 101449.  

I've had a couple of miniprotein_relax8_ error out after a while with a similar error message
Haven't all those tasks been aborted by the server now?
They were still going through Yesterday, but given the low percentage of errors i didn't consider them to be an issue. That you did have such a high number of errors indicated that there was something going on with your system.

You make a good point tbf.
I'm getting even more errors atm, but without the rebooting of the PC.
Something bad definitely going on with my machine, but with everything else happening it's been hard for me to determine the cause up to now.
Time for some tweaking #brb
Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.

I happen to like pain and frustration...
I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that. And given my last PC lasted about 7yrs while running oc pretty much 247 throughout, I don't think it's true about how it reduces the longevity of the CPU
In fact, when I've been experimenting and the oc gets knocked out, I'm seeing what base clock looks like and it's not a pretty sight.
Each to their own, but I'm staying weird on this one
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Message 101456 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 12:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 101450.  

And SSDs used for recording video streams 24/7 will also last just as long if they have plenty of free space (30% or more) to allow for garbage collection & wear levelling to occur as needed.
I don't know exactly how they work, but let's say I have mine 80% full of stuff that remains there. Then I repeatedly write to the remaining 20%. That 20% will wear out. When there aren't enough spare bits to reallocate, won't it just say "I'm now a smaller disk"? 80% of the drive is pretty much as new!
Of course if you were to treat a HDD the way you described, you would considerably shorten it's life expectancy as well.
HDDs that spend all their time thrashing tend to die very young.

You did see where i wrote about leaving sufficient free space? At least 30%? If there is only 20% free space on the drive (SSD or HDD) it is for all intents and purposes full and should be replaced with a much larger unit, or more spaced freed up.


Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.


So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives? With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up. You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
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Message 101457 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 17:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 101452.  

Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.
I happen to like pain and frustration...
Kinky!

I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.
They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button.
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Message 101458 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 17:35:28 UTC - in response to Message 101456.  

Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.

Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?
It's automatically defragged.

With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up.
Lack of money. I usually double the size when I really really have to.

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.
I prefer RAM.

In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
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Message 101459 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 18:49:17 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.
I prefer RAM.

In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?

RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
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Message 101461 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 20:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 101459.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.

I prefer RAM.
In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).
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Message 101462 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:44:13 UTC - in response to Message 101448.  

wear levelling
I don't know exactly how they work,
It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.


Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying.

Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again.
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Message 101463 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:46:47 UTC - in response to Message 101456.  

So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?

Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler.
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Message 101464 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

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Every. Single. Day.
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Message 101467 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 1:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 101457.  
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I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.
They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button.

There's a new automatic overclocking utility for this Ryzen 5800X family (and some earlier ones likes 3700X) called CTR 2.0RC5 which I tried for a few months, but when temps hit a certain limit, the oc would be removed altogether. From about 4500MHz to base clock of about 3500MHz or so. I've given up on it and used my old manual method which keeps it 4500MHz all the time (ish) - so that's about 25% better than leaving it to its own devices.

I definitely haven't got it running right, but I'll have to keep learning and tweaking to get there.
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Message 101469 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 2:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.

Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?


It's automatically defragged.


While you are crunching? That's dangerous. Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them
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Message 101474 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 13:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 101442.  

I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that.
<core_client_version>7.16.11</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
Incorrect function.
 (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)</message>

ERROR: [ERROR] Unable to open constraints file: e8132c30c9ee547672281ce157b2ec8d_0001.MSAcst
ERROR:: Exit from: ......srccorescoringconstraintsConstraintIO.cc line: 457
BOINC:: Error reading and gzipping output datafile: default.out
13:08:50 (9888): called boinc_finish(1)
</stderr_txt>]]>


Same problem on some wus
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Message 101476 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:52:08 UTC - in response to Message 101461.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.

I prefer RAM.
In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).
Exactly, it's already RAM, doing the above makes it a disk and then RAM again, introducing two overheads for zero gain. It would only work if the RAM you used could not be system RAM for some strange reason, perhaps if it was on another card somewhere, otherwise, best to make it just be system RAM, so the swapfile is never used.
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Message 101477 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 101462.  
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wear levelling
I don't know exactly how they work,
It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.


Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying.

Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again.
Awww are rude jokes upsetting for you?

And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice.

And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work. But you failed to understand it. Your loss.
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Message 101478 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 101463.  

So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?

Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler.
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.
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