Didn't mean to resend this. Sorry.

Double post. Didn't mean to resend this. Sorry.

EricM wrote:

the sceensaver might come on 5-10 times per day

One other thing: despite the wording in various places, BOINC tasks do not run inside the screensaver. (Perhaps they did in the past [by which I mean Windows 95-era], when the screensaver mechanism was the simplest way to detect when a computer was otherwise idle, and to start and stop programs accordingly. PCs in those days did not have sufficient resources to let BOINC tasks run unobtrusively at the same time as anything else. Nowadays, with PCs vastly more powerful than many users actually need, it’s possible to let BOINC tasks remain active the whole time, but at such a low priority that – in principle, at least – they don’t interfere with any other use of the computer. And there’s probably a generation of computer users now who have no idea what a screensaver is…) These days the screensaver is purely for show, so if you’re not there to see it it’s actually doing negative work, consuming CPU cycles that would otherwise be available to science tasks…

The Rosetta graphics are strangely mesmerising to watch, though – even though I have no idea what I’m looking at, and after a while the proteins all start to look the same. If you want you can run the graphics independently of the screensaver: in BOINC Manager’s advanced view, on the Tasks tab, select a running task and click the Show graphics button.

SolidAir79 wrote:

Getting some errors on a windows machine all similar Stderr message?

chi angle must be between -180 and 180: -nan(ind)

It happens from time to time. I’ve had a handful of tasks fail with the same error, too. I don’t worry about it. This is experimental work we’re doing here, and sometimes experiments fail. You should still get credit for the work your machine attempted, though.

Stevie G wrote:

It seems that I can have either the BOINC Manager or the World Community Grid, but not both.

When I said I was trying to log into BOINC, I meant that I could not find the BOINC Manager. WCG had deleted it, along with Roosetta.

BOINC Help said there was no such account with my email address. I had to download BOINC again to get to the BOINC Manager. Rosetta shows up there, but not in my WCG account.

WCG does not show up in my FreeDC page. My computer already completed four WCG projects, but they don't show up anywhere. WCG help won't llet in, says to delete cookies, which I did, but still couldn't get in.

I may just opt out of the WCG. Too many problems. I'll just wait for Rosetta to perk up again, or maybe add a different project that is not so intrusive.

WCG is a Boinc Project and is on the list of Projects you can attach to it from within the Boinc Manager. LOTS of people run WCG and Rosetta and half a dozen or more other Projects as well all thru the Boinc Manager.

Are you by chance using an 'Account Manager' like Bam? If so BAM has a bad habit of using it's own idea of username, email address and password for some projects and WCG is one of them. The best thing would be to stop crunching for WCG detach from the Project and then manually reattach without using BAM so you can use your settings for the different fields. If you don't want to do that you may want to ask these questions on the Bam website to get more specific help. https://www.boincstats.com/bam/

I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

I think it does. He is only allowing 50% of the memory to be used by BOINC, so only 4 GB, or 1 GB/core.
Rosetta often uses more than 1 GB per work unit.

He is probably "waiting for memory" to become available.

If so, limiting BOINC to using only two of the cores should make each of those cores have 2 GB available.

Yes, that is what I would do (while waiting for more memory to arrive).

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28.06.2020 14:17:58 | Rosetta@home | Server can't open database

I don't think the problem is a lack of ideas

Twitter Rosetta@home

We have some BIG NEWS:
Researchers @UWproteindesign have succeeded in creating antiviral proteins that neutralize the new coronavirus in the lab.
(These experimental drugs are being optimized for animal trials now)

THANK YOU for helping out!

Maybe (guessing) the issue is they have to completely re-focus on this area of success

Does that mean cure rather than just vaccine? "Neutralize" suggests it could kill it once you already have it?

I missed this earlier, sorry.
I'm not competent to use the right words on this subject but, as I understand it, the virus latches onto ACE2 in a very specific way and these antiviral proteins latch onto the virus at exactly those same points, preventing the virus from taking any hold in the body. That sounds like neutralising it.
Curing sounds like the virus attaches and this new antiviral protein comes along and undoes its invasion of the cell. Not sure that's what's being said.
So neutralisation in the sense of preventing the virus taking hold in the first place, rather than curing. Does that make sense?
Someone else will be along in a minute to provide a version of that in English.

It would be good if one of the Science bods at Rosetta could make a more complete statement of what's happened in the last few weeks.
Along (I suspect) with why they stopped issuing tasks and now seem to have a whole heap of new ones. I speculate it's connected.

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Stevie G,

WCG is a separate BOINC project. Unrelated to Rosetta@home.

They have their own BOINC version but you should use either the Official BOINC version or the Official WCG version of BOINC.
Either is fine, the WCG version is basically the same only with official IBM security tests.

I don't see your WCG account here https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=2033316 which might mean you used a different e-mail address to register at WCG.

.It's unclear what you mean by "log into BOINC". Give us more details if you need help with that.

It seems that I can have either the BOINC Manager or the World Community Grid, but not both.

When I said I was trying to log into BOINC, I meant that I could not find the BOINC Manager. WCG had deleted it, along with Roosetta.

BOINC Help said there was no such account with my email address. I had to download BOINC again to get to the BOINC Manager. Rosetta shows up there, but not in my WCG account.

WCG does not show up in my FreeDC page. My computer already completed four WCG projects, but they don't show up anywhere. WCG help won't llet in, says to delete cookies, which I did, but still couldn't get in.

I may just opt out of the WCG. Too many problems. I'll just wait for Rosetta to perk up again, or maybe add a different project that is not so intrusive.

I've had both BOINC Manager and World Community Grid running at the same time for years, so we we may need to look into why you're having trouble with this.

World Community Grid normally runs in the background, so you might not see it on the screen while it is running.

I don't remember using BOINC Help before I found it today. It appears to be written assuming version 7.6 of BOINC, so expect some of what it says to be years out of date.

BOINC Help offers to let you log in, but it's unclear what you would be logging for. It could be just for editting their help files, if you are allowed to do so.

I've never used FreeDC, but many of those sites for gathering information about what you have done are slow to update that information. The information there is likely to be a day or two out of date.

When you downloaded BOINC again, you could easily have installed a second copy of BOINC, that doesn't know what the other copy is doing.

When I download BOINC again (to install an updated version), the update process recognizes the first copy, removes the old BOINC software and replaces it without disturbing the projects attached, such as Rosetta@home and WCG.

A WCG account is specific to World Community Grid - it is not set up to know anything about other BOINC projects, such as Rosetta@home.

I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

I think it does. He is only allowing 50% of the memory to be used by BOINC, so only 4 GB, or 1 GB/core.
Rosetta often uses more than 1 GB per work unit.

He is probably "waiting for memory" to become available.

You're right. When I posted my message there were no subsequent messages in this thread.
It's now apparent it was being 'moderated' and I return here now and see loads going both ways.
Ignore that whole reply (no change on that score)

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28.06.2020 14:17:58 | Rosetta@home | Server can't open database

Not enough details in your message to see what, if any, problem you have.

The servers often become unavailable about once every 24 hours, to do some cleanup work on parts of their database related to user activities. It would be much harder to do that cleanup properly if those user activities were allowed to happen during the cleanup. Once the cleanup is finished, those users activities are allowed again, by making the server available to them.

Christopher Graesser wrote:

28.06.2020 14:17:58 | Rosetta@home | Server can't open database

May just be a transient issue as the client scheduler tries to contact the project server to report completed tasks or request new ones. I have the same message in one of my logs from a couple of weeks ago. All was well again the next time it tried, an hour later. Are you seeing other problems? If so, the log entries immediately before and after the error would give some context.

WCG is a separate BOINC project. Unrelated to Rosetta@home.

They have their own BOINC version but you should use either the Official BOINC version or the Official WCG version of BOINC.
Either is fine, the WCG version is basically the same only with official IBM security tests.

What?!
I've been signed up at WCG since 2010 (2yrs after joining Rosetta) and I never knew this.
Nor have I ever heard anyone mention it before!

You live and learn...

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yeah. It's identical to BOINC, but the WCG team does thorough testing before updating their version of the BOINC software. So in theory, less likely to run into bugs.

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How do you want that plan adjusted to handle times when one of the two projects had no work to download for the last few days, or very little work like it's happened on Rosetta@home recently? Many people do not agree that the adjustment should take effect immediately, without even waiting for several tasks to be reported and receive credits.

Many people just don't have enough spare time to frequently adjust their project setting, like you appear to want to do.

It should be exactly as it currently is, but just reset the debts when the weights are changed by the user. This would have no effect on anyone not changing the weights, but would allow a user to suddenly decide they want more time spent on a project they consider important, without having to wait a few days for it to settle. When I changed from Rosetta 1 and two other projects on 0, to 1/5/25 ratio, I did not get lots of Rosetta running, so it wasn't doing the project I considered important.

The one thing I would do is take the project start date into account so that newly added projects don’t hog the machine for the first few days.

In short, no. Sounds very odd.
I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

The only thing I can ask is, on the Computing tab under Computing preferences in Boinc Manager, do you have anything in the section titled "When to suspend" ?
Everything in that section should be unselected.
In the section above, titled 'Usage Limits', both should be 100%

@SId: Yes, I do have some suspension criteria selected, for reasons I mentioned below (running ArcGIS, for one). Yesterday's comp prefs are below in message 97710. The prefs I've been trying since last night are below in this message.

@Brian re screensaver: Yes, since the setting changes I made yesterday, BOINC is now processing work units when I'm using the computer. Until then, I'd always had it set to process only after I'd been idle for a certain time. For many years I've had Windows set to invoke the screensaver after x minutes idle, and BOINC to start processing after x+1 minutes idle. The screensaver kicking in is a fun gimmick that always catches kids' (and the rare curious adults') attention, and helps perpetuate my legend among my friends' kids that I'm some kind of eccentric mad genius communicating with aliens via my computer.

Thanks to you guys' help, I predict my Rosetta ranking will now soar into the low 300,000s. Now off to pick out a limo...
Eric
PS- Anyone have an idea why my signature stats don't show WCG? Is there maybe a lag between adding the project and the stat-box-generator capturing a new user? I added WCG yesterday or the day before from within BOINC mgr, and started using the signature yesterday.

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system: up-to-date Windows 10, Intel quad-core 3.6 GHz processor, 8 GB RAM

It assumes what the server thinks is the time required, which in the case of Rosetta is the standard 8 hours. Unless your computer takes nothing like 8 hours to do a task, it should be correct from the beginning. Wild estimates happen in other projects, where work units can take vastly different times depending on processor power.

Nope, you can choose the running time. I set mine to 4 hours or else i would have more tasks failing or being cancelled.

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WCG is a separate BOINC project. Unrelated to Rosetta@home.

They have their own BOINC version but you should use either the Official BOINC version or the Official WCG version of BOINC.
Either is fine, the WCG version is basically the same only with official IBM security tests.

What?!
I've been signed up at WCG since 2010 (2yrs after joining Rosetta) and I never knew this.
Nor have I ever heard anyone mention it before!

You live and learn...

Here you go: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/viewDownloadAgain.action
Their version is 32-bit only so BOINC benchmarks end up much lower than under the 64-bit BOINC version.

They also contribute to BOINC Development/bug fixing AFAIK.