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Message 97754 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 1:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 97753.  

Having problems with Rosetta and World Community Grid.

I signed on to WCG and the computer started crunching.
However, it removed BONIC from my computer. In the WCG client, Asteroids and WCG are shown, as are SETI@Home and POGS, which are no longer active.

But Rosetta is MISSING!!

WCG won't let me on its forum page.

I had no active Rosetta tasks, but it should still show on my computer, along with the credits it has amassed.

Moreover, when I tried to log into BOINC, it says there is no such account for my email address. I've had a BOINC account for over 20 years.

What gives? I don't like how WGC has taken over my computer. Is that a common thing?

Steven Gaber
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Not very common.

First, check if you have BOINC installed twice, not just once. Two copies will not share a computer well.

You might have selected Rosetta@home under the Projects list, then accidentally clicked on Remove.

Also Rosetta@home may have just completed its switch from http to https by deleting any remaining Rosetta@home accounts for Windows computers still using the http connection.

For either of these, click on Tools under Advanced view, then Add project. Scroll down to Rosetta@home, then click on it.

If the line in the Project URL box does not start with https:, insert the s. Now click on Next, and set up the account like before. This should recover the saved credits. If your computer still has the same name as before, it should also recover how much that computer has done.

It's unclear what you mean by "log into BOINC". Give us more details if you need help with that.
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Message 97755 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 1:23:08 UTC - in response to Message 97747.  

Eric,

You’re welcome. It is not obvious how BOINC works – and from what I’ve gathered Rosetta is unusual by having tasks that run for a fixed amount of (CPU) time within which they achieve a variable amount of work (depending on the performance of the machine), rather than a fixed amount of work which takes a variable amount of time to complete. It would indeed be nice if this were made clearer to new starters on the project Web pages.

Like you, I did not know any of this when I started. Where did I learn it? Right here in these forums. Yes, an amount of cruft has built up over the years – old, long threads with information that may or may not still be relevant. A lot of what’s written is unclear at best. And input from insiders who can tell us how it actually works is infrequent. But amongst it all are some useful nuggets – and passing those on is the least I can do.

Happy crunching!
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Message 97757 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 1:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 97749.  

robertmiles wrote:
Looks like you're counting only the power used by the CPU chip
I assumed Peter was talking about measured consumption, not a number printed on the label of his power supply. Of course there’s overhead to consider on top of the CPU – but his numbers struck me as excessive. (By comparison, my machine with a [single] same-TDP CPU draws 120 W from the wall; a second CPU would need its own RAM and extra cooling, but not 185 W worth.) As Peter pointed out, it was his GPUs I hadn’t considered.
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Message 97760 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 3:38:52 UTC - in response to Message 97676.  

Hello Sid and all-
Not sure if this is related to what Steven is encountering:
On my computer Rosetta will run for days as expected, then do nothing for a day or two, then resume normal behavior. I've never seen any explanation for this. I'm currently in one of these down times. Yesterday I added a second project to my BOINC acct, and it is running as expected. As far as I know, Rosetta is still paused in mid-task. Anyone have an idea what might be causing this?

In short, no. Sounds very odd.
I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

The only thing I can ask is, on the Computing tab under Computing preferences in Boinc Manager, do you have anything in the section titled "When to suspend" ?
Everything in that section should be unselected.
In the section above, titled 'Usage Limits', both should be 100%
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Message 97761 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 5:50:28 UTC - in response to Message 97760.  

I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

I think it does. He is only allowing 50% of the memory to be used by BOINC, so only 4 GB, or 1 GB/core.
Rosetta often uses more than 1 GB per work unit.

He is probably "waiting for memory" to become available.
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Message 97763 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 6:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 97754.  

Not very common.

First, check if you have BOINC installed twice, not just once. Two copies will not share a computer well.

You might have selected Rosetta@home under the Projects list, then accidentally clicked on Remove.

Also Rosetta@home may have just completed its switch from http to https by deleting any remaining Rosetta@home accounts for Windows computers still using the http connection.

For either of these, click on Tools under Advanced view, then Add project. Scroll down to Rosetta@home, then click on it.

If the line in the Project URL box does not start with https:, insert the s. Now click on Next, and set up the account like before. This should recover the saved credits. If your computer still has the same name as before, it should also recover how much that computer has done.

It's unclear what you mean by "log into BOINC". Give us more details if you need help with that.[/quote]
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Message 97764 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 6:41:00 UTC - in response to Message 97763.  
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.It's unclear what you mean by "log into BOINC". Give us more details if you need help with that.


It seems that I can have either the BOINC Manager or the World Community Grid, but not both.

When I said I was trying to log into BOINC, I meant that I could not find the BOINC Manager. WCG had deleted it, along with Roosetta.

BOINC Help said there was no such account with my email address. I had to download BOINC again to get to the BOINC Manager. Rosetta shows up there, but not in my WCG account.

WCG does not show up in my FreeDC page. My computer already completed four WCG projects, but they don't show up anywhere. WCG help won't llet in, says to delete cookies, which I did, but still couldn't get in.

I may just opt out of the WCG. Too many problems. I'll just wait for Rosetta to perk up again, or maybe add a different project that is not so intrusive.
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Message 97765 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 6:42:36 UTC - in response to Message 97763.  

Didn't mean to resend this. Sorry.
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Message 97766 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 6:42:39 UTC - in response to Message 97763.  
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Double post. Didn't mean to resend this. Sorry.
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Message 97767 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 9:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 97710.  
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EricM wrote:
the sceensaver might come on 5-10 times per day
One other thing: despite the wording in various places, BOINC tasks do not run inside the screensaver. (Perhaps they did in the past [by which I mean Windows 95-era], when the screensaver mechanism was the simplest way to detect when a computer was otherwise idle, and to start and stop programs accordingly. PCs in those days did not have sufficient resources to let BOINC tasks run unobtrusively at the same time as anything else. Nowadays, with PCs vastly more powerful than many users actually need, it’s possible to let BOINC tasks remain active the whole time, but at such a low priority that – in principle, at least – they don’t interfere with any other use of the computer. And there’s probably a generation of computer users now who have no idea what a screensaver is…) These days the screensaver is purely for show, so if you’re not there to see it it’s actually doing negative work, consuming CPU cycles that would otherwise be available to science tasks…

The Rosetta graphics are strangely mesmerising to watch, though – even though I have no idea what I’m looking at, and after a while the proteins all start to look the same. If you want you can run the graphics independently of the screensaver: in BOINC Manager’s advanced view, on the Tasks tab, select a running task and click the Show graphics button.
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Message 97768 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 9:29:29 UTC - in response to Message 97681.  
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SolidAir79 wrote:
Getting some errors on a windows machine all similar Stderr message?
chi angle must be between -180 and 180: -nan(ind)
It happens from time to time. I’ve had a handful of tasks fail with the same error, too. I don’t worry about it. This is experimental work we’re doing here, and sometimes experiments fail. You should still get credit for the work your machine attempted, though.
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Message 97771 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 12:29:30 UTC - in response to Message 97764.  
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Stevie G wrote:

It seems that I can have either the BOINC Manager or the World Community Grid, but not both.

When I said I was trying to log into BOINC, I meant that I could not find the BOINC Manager. WCG had deleted it, along with Roosetta.

BOINC Help said there was no such account with my email address. I had to download BOINC again to get to the BOINC Manager. Rosetta shows up there, but not in my WCG account.

WCG does not show up in my FreeDC page. My computer already completed four WCG projects, but they don't show up anywhere. WCG help won't llet in, says to delete cookies, which I did, but still couldn't get in.

I may just opt out of the WCG. Too many problems. I'll just wait for Rosetta to perk up again, or maybe add a different project that is not so intrusive.


WCG is a Boinc Project and is on the list of Projects you can attach to it from within the Boinc Manager. LOTS of people run WCG and Rosetta and half a dozen or more other Projects as well all thru the Boinc Manager.

Are you by chance using an 'Account Manager' like Bam? If so BAM has a bad habit of using it's own idea of username, email address and password for some projects and WCG is one of them. The best thing would be to stop crunching for WCG detach from the Project and then manually reattach without using BAM so you can use your settings for the different fields. If you don't want to do that you may want to ask these questions on the Bam website to get more specific help. https://www.boincstats.com/bam/
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Message 97772 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 12:38:33 UTC - in response to Message 97761.  

I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

I think it does. He is only allowing 50% of the memory to be used by BOINC, so only 4 GB, or 1 GB/core.
Rosetta often uses more than 1 GB per work unit.

He is probably "waiting for memory" to become available.

If so, limiting BOINC to using only two of the cores should make each of those cores have 2 GB available.
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Message 97773 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 12:50:58 UTC - in response to Message 97772.  

Yes, that is what I would do (while waiting for more memory to arrive).
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Message 97774 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 12:54:17 UTC

28.06.2020 14:17:58 | Rosetta@home | Server can't open database
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Message 97775 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 13:03:15 UTC - in response to Message 97660.  
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I don't think the problem is a lack of ideas

Twitter Rosetta@home
We have some BIG NEWS:
Researchers @UWproteindesign have succeeded in creating antiviral proteins that neutralize the new coronavirus in the lab.
(These experimental drugs are being optimized for animal trials now)

THANK YOU for helping out!

Maybe (guessing) the issue is they have to completely re-focus on this area of success

Does that mean cure rather than just vaccine? "Neutralize" suggests it could kill it once you already have it?

I missed this earlier, sorry.
I'm not competent to use the right words on this subject but, as I understand it, the virus latches onto ACE2 in a very specific way and these antiviral proteins latch onto the virus at exactly those same points, preventing the virus from taking any hold in the body. That sounds like neutralising it.
Curing sounds like the virus attaches and this new antiviral protein comes along and undoes its invasion of the cell. Not sure that's what's being said.
So neutralisation in the sense of preventing the virus taking hold in the first place, rather than curing. Does that make sense?
Someone else will be along in a minute to provide a version of that in English.

It would be good if one of the Science bods at Rosetta could make a more complete statement of what's happened in the last few weeks.
Along (I suspect) with why they stopped issuing tasks and now seem to have a whole heap of new ones. I speculate it's connected.
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Message 97776 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 13:04:26 UTC

Stevie G,

WCG is a separate BOINC project. Unrelated to Rosetta@home.

They have their own BOINC version but you should use either the Official BOINC version or the Official WCG version of BOINC.
Either is fine, the WCG version is basically the same only with official IBM security tests.

I don't see your WCG account here https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=2033316 which might mean you used a different e-mail address to register at WCG.
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Message 97777 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 13:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 97764.  

.It's unclear what you mean by "log into BOINC". Give us more details if you need help with that.


It seems that I can have either the BOINC Manager or the World Community Grid, but not both.

When I said I was trying to log into BOINC, I meant that I could not find the BOINC Manager. WCG had deleted it, along with Roosetta.

BOINC Help said there was no such account with my email address. I had to download BOINC again to get to the BOINC Manager. Rosetta shows up there, but not in my WCG account.

WCG does not show up in my FreeDC page. My computer already completed four WCG projects, but they don't show up anywhere. WCG help won't llet in, says to delete cookies, which I did, but still couldn't get in.

I may just opt out of the WCG. Too many problems. I'll just wait for Rosetta to perk up again, or maybe add a different project that is not so intrusive.

I've had both BOINC Manager and World Community Grid running at the same time for years, so we we may need to look into why you're having trouble with this.

World Community Grid normally runs in the background, so you might not see it on the screen while it is running.

I don't remember using BOINC Help before I found it today. It appears to be written assuming version 7.6 of BOINC, so expect some of what it says to be years out of date.

BOINC Help offers to let you log in, but it's unclear what you would be logging for. It could be just for editting their help files, if you are allowed to do so.

I've never used FreeDC, but many of those sites for gathering information about what you have done are slow to update that information. The information there is likely to be a day or two out of date.

When you downloaded BOINC again, you could easily have installed a second copy of BOINC, that doesn't know what the other copy is doing.

When I download BOINC again (to install an updated version), the update process recognizes the first copy, removes the old BOINC software and replaces it without disturbing the projects attached, such as Rosetta@home and WCG.

A WCG account is specific to World Community Grid - it is not set up to know anything about other BOINC projects, such as Rosetta@home.
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Message 97778 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 13:24:10 UTC - in response to Message 97761.  

I run an i3-8350 remotely so I'm familiar with your PC, though mine has 16Gb RAM compared to your 8Gb, but that ought not to make any difference with just 4-cores.

I think it does. He is only allowing 50% of the memory to be used by BOINC, so only 4 GB, or 1 GB/core.
Rosetta often uses more than 1 GB per work unit.

He is probably "waiting for memory" to become available.

You're right. When I posted my message there were no subsequent messages in this thread.
It's now apparent it was being 'moderated' and I return here now and see loads going both ways.
Ignore that whole reply (no change on that score)
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Message 97779 - Posted: 28 Jun 2020, 13:30:54 UTC - in response to Message 97774.  

28.06.2020 14:17:58 | Rosetta@home | Server can't open database

Not enough details in your message to see what, if any, problem you have.

The servers often become unavailable about once every 24 hours, to do some cleanup work on parts of their database related to user activities. It would be much harder to do that cleanup properly if those user activities were allowed to happen during the cleanup. Once the cleanup is finished, those users activities are allowed again, by making the server available to them.
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