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Message 97616 - Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 19:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 97615.  

i don't get new work, too, Some days ago the "NumberFields@home" had a problem: Expired SSL certificates. User action was required. Maybe here the same?


That was a while ago. If you're on the latest Boinc version that's not why.

And you can see in Boinc's messages whether it just says "Got no new tasks" or "SSL error". At the moment they've just run out, which you can see on their server status page.
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Message 97617 - Posted: 25 Jun 2020, 19:52:03 UTC
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IT_POWER_SALZKOTTEN,

I see that your computer is still using BOINC 7.16.5. Upgrading to BOINC 7.16.7 is known to fix that problem for SOME of the BOINC projects running under Windows, so could you try that?

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

Also, Rosetta@home now has so many users that it cannot generate work fast enough to keep all the computers busy all of the time.

You might want to add another BOINC project to fill in for such times. I prefer World Community Grid for that purpose, since they are currently doing COVID-19 work. Choose their Open Pandemics subproject for that purpose, but you might want to allow work from their other subprojects as well to help with other medical research.

https://join.worldcommunitygrid.org?recruiterId=480838
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Message 97620 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 0:02:03 UTC - in response to Message 97594.  

Not sure if you count it as a sensible reason, but around 6,000 people are dying in the world of CV19 every day for the last few months.

Which is reducing as we become immune.

UK isn't the only country in the world, Peter.
The wave is predominantly in the Americas now and isn't significantly reducing. Several states in the US and in Brazil are still increasing.

And immunity, if it even exists, which is completely unproven atm, would require 20x as many to be infected as have currently been.
And that's not even allowing for whatever immunity as exists, will even last long enough for others to get to the level of a herd.
In past SARS epidemics, immunity that initially existed was found to be only 15% as strong after 9 months.
That is, herd immunity will <never> happen outside of vaccination. So we continue.

If it's any consolation, I've been back at work since the beginning of last week now that the building owners have allowed us to return - it had been a public liability issue for them.
Of the other 7 business on my floor, only 1 other has returned. The other 6 were allowed to open throughout, but chose not to due to the lack of footfall, which is continuing tbh. Last week we reached just 22% of the same week last year.
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Message 97621 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 0:31:19 UTC
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Anyone else not getting work units? 3900X running 16 hours a day at idle...


EDIT: Yes, should have read the thread.
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Message 97622 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 0:50:38 UTC - in response to Message 97621.  
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Anyone else not getting work units? 3900X running 16 hours a day at idle...


EDIT: Yes, should have read the thread.

Err, do fill us in as I don't see the answer recently ;) [edit] Nm, apparently just been bled dry of WUs.
Although, why now? They hadn't run out for some weeks AFAIK.
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Message 97623 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 1:52:04 UTC

[TA]Assimilator1,

So you haven't read far enough back in this thread?

The number of computers trying to download Rosetta@home tasks is now at least 10 times as much as it was a few months ago.

The project team often doesn't have enough ideas for new work to generate 10 times as many tasks as a few months ago.
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Message 97625 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 6:30:34 UTC - in response to Message 97568.  

Peter Hucker wrote, "I don't understand what you're getting at. You receive a task that takes 8 hours to complete, and you have to send it back in 3 days (9 times longer than it takes to do it). How can that possibly cause you not to get them done in time?

In my case, they could not be done in time because Rosetta sent me 26 tasks due in 3 days. My computer takes a little over 7 hours to complete one task. Completing them all would take 182 hours of computer time. There are only 72 hours in three days. The computer might be able to complete ten tasks in that time. The remaining 16 tasks will not be completed and will be reported as errors. (These do not include the 15 tasks that were reported as "errors while downloading," which seems to happen a lot with Rosetta, although it rarely happens with my other projects.)

Now do you understand?

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Message 97626 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 7:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 97625.  

@Steven: did you change the default settings? The BOINC client on computer does request the number of WUs to process.

E.g. one of my PCs is a 4 core machine, running 24/7 with 100% CPU time for Rosetta. Settings are default. After starting the BOINC client, it requests 4 new tasks, and starts crunching. When these 4 WUs are still running, it requests another 4 WUs. As soon as one of the WUs is completed, one of the 4 waiting WUs is being processed seamlessly. And then a single new WU is being requested. Sometimes 2 or 3 WUs are completed almost at the same time and the client then requests 2 or 3 new tasks. So the computer ist never idling, crunches 12 WUs per 24 hours and no WU is lost due to too late processing.

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Message 97627 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 7:27:47 UTC - in response to Message 97626.  

What default settings? ? ? ? Whatever project was last updated for global preferences is the one applied to Rosetta when you first join. My global project preferences were from Seti for 1 day cache. My first connection to the Rosetta project downloaded over 260 tasks on the first connection. No way my computer could finish them in five days. Had to abort all but twenty of them to finish the rest in time.
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Message 97641 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 12:16:41 UTC - in response to Message 97627.  
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Keith Myers,

It is typical for BOINC projects to make wild assumptions about how fast tasks will run for the first few times you download any tasks for a new application version. This is usually corrected after you have returned 10 successful tasks for that version.
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Message 97642 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 12:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 97623.  

The project team often doesn't have enough ideas for new work to generate 10 times as many tasks as a few months ago

I don't think the problem is a lack of ideas

Twitter Rosetta@home
We have some BIG NEWS:
Researchers @UWproteindesign have succeeded in creating antiviral proteins that neutralize the new coronavirus in the lab.
(These experimental drugs are being optimized for animal trials now)

THANK YOU for helping out!

Maybe (guessing) the issue is they have to completely re-focus on this area of success
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Message 97654 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 97620.  

Oh wonderful, my messages get deleted for being off topic but yours don't.

UK isn't the only country in the world, Peter.


We have similar lockdown stuff to the USA. Maybe it's because we're healthier, delete that, I know we're healthier. And it's been shown that healthy people suffer less.

The wave is predominantly in the Americas now and isn't significantly reducing. Several states in the US and in Brazil are still increasing.
And immunity, if it even exists, which is completely unproven atm, would require 20x as many to be infected as have currently been.


Every virus goes away of its own accord, we don't get the same flu forever do we? This will just vanish like every other one does, probably before we get a chance to cure it.

If it's any consolation, I've been back at work since the beginning of last week now that the building owners have allowed us to return - it had been a public liability issue for them.
Of the other 7 business on my floor, only 1 other has returned. The other 6 were allowed to open throughout, but chose not to due to the lack of footfall, which is continuing tbh. Last week we reached just 22% of the same week last year.


Hey I don't care I'm off work, our government has gone all left wing on us and is handing out huge sums of money to anyone who wants it. I have no idea where it's coming from, probably borrowed from China. Now how did that come about I wonder....
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Message 97656 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:14:57 UTC - in response to Message 97625.  

Peter Hucker wrote, "I don't understand what you're getting at. You receive a task that takes 8 hours to complete, and you have to send it back in 3 days (9 times longer than it takes to do it). How can that possibly cause you not to get them done in time?

In my case, they could not be done in time because Rosetta sent me 26 tasks due in 3 days. My computer takes a little over 7 hours to complete one task. Completing them all would take 182 hours of computer time. There are only 72 hours in three days. The computer might be able to complete ten tasks in that time. The remaining 16 tasks will not be completed and will be reported as errors. (These do not include the 15 tasks that were reported as "errors while downloading," which seems to happen a lot with Rosetta, although it rarely happens with my other projects.)

Now do you understand?

Steven Gaber


Your computer has two cores, it should be doing do two at a time. So in 3 days you should be able to do 18 tasks. But 26 is still too much. I wonder if it's the same bug I encountered only 3 times in a row, about a day apart, on my old laptop. It was going nuts and downloading about 100 tasks, so I aborted them and it didn't try to get more. In my case it was actually getting only 1 at a time, but continuously asking for another. I'm 95% sure it was Rosetta that was doing it, and I can't remember if the reason was ever found.

What are your buffer settings?
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Message 97657 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:16:46 UTC - in response to Message 97627.  

What default settings? ? ? ? Whatever project was last updated for global preferences is the one applied to Rosetta when you first join. My global project preferences were from Seti for 1 day cache. My first connection to the Rosetta project downloaded over 260 tasks on the first connection. No way my computer could finish them in five days. Had to abort all but twenty of them to finish the rest in time.


Why did it do that? Rosetta tasks are very rigidly 8 hours on any machine. The server should have known precisely how many you needed for a 1 day cache.
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Message 97658 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:18:36 UTC - in response to Message 97641.  

It is typical for BOINC projects to make wild assumptions about how fast tasks will run for the first few times you download any tasks for a new application version. This is usually corrected after you have returned 10 successful tasks for that version.


It assumes what the server thinks is the time required, which in the case of Rosetta is the standard 8 hours. Unless your computer takes nothing like 8 hours to do a task, it should be correct from the beginning. Wild estimates happen in other projects, where work units can take vastly different times depending on processor power.
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Message 97660 - Posted: 26 Jun 2020, 18:21:31 UTC - in response to Message 97642.  

I don't think the problem is a lack of ideas

Twitter Rosetta@home
We have some BIG NEWS:
Researchers @UWproteindesign have succeeded in creating antiviral proteins that neutralize the new coronavirus in the lab.
(These experimental drugs are being optimized for animal trials now)

THANK YOU for helping out!

Maybe (guessing) the issue is they have to completely re-focus on this area of success


Does that mean cure rather than just vaccine? "Neutralize" suggests it could kill it once you already have it?
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Message 97668 - Posted: 27 Jun 2020, 3:08:17 UTC - in response to Message 97627.  

What default settings? ? ? ? Whatever project was last updated for global preferences is the one applied to Rosetta when you first join. My global project preferences were from Seti for 1 day cache. My first connection to the Rosetta project downloaded over 260 tasks on the first connection. No way my computer could finish them in five days. Had to abort all but twenty of them to finish the rest in time.



That was my experience also.

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Message 97669 - Posted: 27 Jun 2020, 3:19:23 UTC - in response to Message 97626.  

[quote]@Steven: did you change the default settings? The BOINC client on computer does request the number of WUs to process.

Tom:

Yes, I did as Mr.Celery suggested.Set the computer preferences to 0.1 days of work and to store 0.5 additional days of work.

Then I deleted 11 tasks. Two tasks were completed within the deadline and 6 tasks were reported as errors, not started by the deadline and cancelled.

Now I have no tasks at all.

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Message 97675 - Posted: 27 Jun 2020, 11:11:17 UTC - in response to Message 97669.  

@Steven: did you change the default settings? The BOINC client on computer does request the number of WUs to process.

Tom:

Yes, I did as Mr.Celery suggested.Set the computer preferences to 0.1 days of work and to store 0.5 additional days of work.

Then I deleted 11 tasks. Two tasks were completed within the deadline and 6 tasks were reported as errors, not started by the deadline and cancelled.

Now I have no tasks at all.

Glad you saw that, but it's swung the opposite way now <sigh>
Do you have no Rosetta tasks because you set Rosetta to "No New Tasks" or is it just Asteroids taking its turn after so many Rosetta?
Am I right in thinking you only have your PC on for a few hours per day? That is, not for 24hrs a day - just while you're using it?

If so, leave things as they are until Rosetta gets around to calling for new tasks and see how many it calls for.
I'm hoping it'll only start calling for 2 or 4 at a time to complete within the 3 day deadline - 2 to run and 2 as a back up.
If that's what happens and they take their turn to run comfortably within the deadline without you having to intervene, then all's well and you might consider edging the additional days in your buffer up by 0.1 at a time to get nearer to where you used to be. The "right" level is where you remain successful for all your projects without having to fiddle with settings all the time (yes, I know I'm asking you to fiddle with it at the moment, but just to find a sweet spot)
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Message 97676 - Posted: 27 Jun 2020, 11:47:02 UTC - in response to Message 97675.  

Hello Sid and all-
Not sure if this is related to what Steven is encountering:
On my computer Rosetta will run for days as expected, then do nothing for a day or two, then resume normal behavior. I've never seen any explanation for this. I'm currently in one of these down times. Yesterday I added a second project to my BOINC acct, and it is running as expected. As far as I know, Rosetta is still paused in mid-task. Anyone have an idea what might be causing this?
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