Please open a new thread for your issue. Please define what you are seeing that indicates things are slow.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

Not sure what retroactive aspect you are talking about. This is not mentioned in the post you referenced.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

Not sure what retroactive aspect you are talking about. This is not mentioned in the post you referenced.

Covid-19 wu
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1136817690

Only 2cr today, although I downloaded on 29 Mar 2020. I expected no problem with credits, but I was wrong.

Not sure what retroactive aspect you are talking about. This is not mentioned in the post you referenced.

Well, there was a thread about this issue and you referred to admin's post.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13672&postid=92969#92969

Maybe I should have posted there.

A bank I have an account with though suggested a a day and a half ago that I download a security app

Yeah, that'll do it too. Some AV programmes also have a nasty habit of deleting BOINC Tasks as they download because they don't like the look of them, or think the programme's behaviour is supicious.

I use the Windows Defender AV program, available free from Microsoft if you have a sufficiently recent version of Windows.

It does not have that nasty habit.

However, a Google search for where to download it gave only three sites, none of which will currently respond.

Thanks. I already have McAfee as part of Verizon's security package which has other pieces. The thing the bank wanted me to install (and which I foolishly did instal) was Easy Solutions. That should have been a clue. NOTHING is EVER easy!

- Dick

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A bank I have an account with though suggested a a day and a half ago that I download a security app

Yeah, that'll do it too. Some AV programmes also have a nasty habit of deleting BOINC Tasks as they download because they don't like the look of them, or think the programme's behaviour is supicious.
Glad you got it sorted.

If you're ever in my neighborhood (MA, USA), PM me and I owe you a beer!

I'm one of those very rare Aussies that don't drink. But a Coke (original i think they are over your way) would hit the spot.
:-)

Although it's going to be quite a while before international travel is on the cards for the average person again.

You got a deal. My email is my username on gmail. :-)

- Dick

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Yes, smt/hyper threading is off. The point is though, on my Intel laptops, the speed has remained the same between 4.07 to 4.12. On my tr it's dropped over 60% regardless of what I try, I can't put it much simpler than that.

Note that all of your Intel laptops have a much lower number of cores, and will therefore have much less of a problem with too many cores trying to share the limited speed path to main memory. I can't put it much simpler than that, either.

4.07 is the reference yes. 4.12 is 60% slower than that, I don't know what is so difficult to understand, it's has nothing to do with memory or anything else. You dont have a 64/128 chip to only run it on 5 cores to keep the same productivity because of a software change. Is there a mod/developer that can possibly comment on this issue?

Resource contention, nothing less, nothing more. Nothing exotic or unknowable. ZEN architecture is strong on memory bandwidth but bad on memory latency. Even if you have relatively larger cache there will be still lots of memory access that has to be fulfilled from main memory. Because of that too many core doing access will overload memory bus and their performance will drop of sharply. (Especially when latency of memory access is already high)

I suggest you experiment with number of concurrent task for RAH to find equilibrium. Alternately, you could try to see if you can get memory to higher frequency without worsening its timing. Also ensure that there is no swapping. (IIRC each 4.12 task needs about 2GB of RAM which amounts to about 128GB of RAM in use beside all other processes already running)

For the last 12 hours it's been using only 28 cores. No difference in performance unfortunately. I'll probably switch to folding at home with it as it costs the same to run regardless of how many cores are running. The folding software scales performance with core count so no issues there.

Thanks,

Ross

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I'm running a mac, cpu only. I received three work units and all three ran for about 20 seconds and then returned computation error.
Mac OS version 10.15.4, Boinc version 7.14.14, and Rosetta version 4.12. These are the first 4.12's I've gotten, so I'm just curious if anyone else is seeing this as well. I've had no problem with earlier versions. Here's a snippet from the logs:

Sun Apr 5 15:31:22 2020 | Rosetta@home | update requested by user
Sun Apr 5 15:31:25 2020 | Rosetta@home | Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
Sun Apr 5 15:31:25 2020 | Rosetta@home | Requesting new tasks for CPU
Sun Apr 5 15:31:26 2020 | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed: got 3 new tasks
Sun Apr 5 15:31:28 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of rosetta_4.12_x86_64-apple-darwin
Sun Apr 5 15:31:28 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of rosetta_graphics_4.12_x86_64-apple-darwin
Sun Apr 5 15:31:37 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of rosetta_4.12_x86_64-apple-darwin
Sun Apr 5 15:31:37 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of minirosetta_database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:40 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of rosetta_graphics_4.12_x86_64-apple-darwin
Sun Apr 5 15:31:40 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of flags_il1r2
Sun Apr 5 15:31:41 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of flags_il1r2
Sun Apr 5 15:31:41 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:44 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:44 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:31:45 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:31:45 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:47 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:47 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:31:48 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:31:48 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:52 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:31:52 2020 | Rosetta@home | Started download of 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:31:53 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0.flags
Sun Apr 5 15:32:05 2020 | Rosetta@home | Finished download of minirosetta_database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
Sun Apr 5 15:32:09 2020 | Rosetta@home | Starting task 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0
Sun Apr 5 15:33:25 2020 | Rosetta@home | Computation for task 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 finished
Sun Apr 5 15:33:25 2020 | Rosetta@home | Output file 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0_r1019687941_0 for task 5kp3uc9q_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 absent
Sun Apr 5 15:33:28 2020 | Rosetta@home | Starting task 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0
Sun Apr 5 15:34:42 2020 | Rosetta@home | Computation for task 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 finished
Sun Apr 5 15:34:42 2020 | Rosetta@home | Output file 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0_r1625578171_0 for task 2qq4ew9m_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 absent
Sun Apr 5 15:34:44 2020 | Rosetta@home | Starting task 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0
Sun Apr 5 15:36:06 2020 | Rosetta@home | Computation for task 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 finished
Sun Apr 5 15:36:06 2020 | Rosetta@home | Output file 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0_r1915284257_0 for task 4ah5oy5y_Mini_Protein_binds_IL1R_COVID-19_design0_SAVE_ALL_OUT_905220_3_0 absent

I'm running a mac, cpu only. I received three work units and all three ran for about 20 seconds and then returned computation error.
Mac OS version 10.15.4, Boinc version 7.14.14, and Rosetta version 4.12. These are the first 4.12's I've gotten, so I'm just curious if any only else is seeing this as well. I've had no problem with earlier versions. Here's a snippet from the logs:

[snip]

You may need to add a snippet of the other log file specific to that task - it gives messages closer to the problem.

It looks like you found only the log file that is mainly for communications with the servers.

I took a look at the three tasks currently listed four your computer.

The server doesn't consider them returned yet, so I couldn't see the stderr output returned along with the tasks, This might be because Rosetta@home has transferred such lookups for tasks to another server, and the communications between the servers is not keeping up adequately.

The 4.12 app isn't working on MacOS. They want Mac users to join Ralph@home to beta test the new app that fixes the app bug that MacOS users are seeing with the current 4.12 app.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=12554&postid=93512#93512

Thanks Robert, appreciate the reply. I've since discovered there is a problem with 4.12 Rosetta on macs.
I found it over in Questions and Answers: Macintosh
under
Computations Errors on 7.14.4.
So for those having this problem there is info there.

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Tom

I wonder if a powerful "anti-virus" program would have any effect on folding proteins?

Some do and some have little effect . If they are good at telling viruses from other files that contain something that matches part of a virus, expect them to take some additional memory, and slow down the protein folding somewhat.

If they are not good at this, expect them to delete or hide some of the input files for tasks, and therefore make those tasks give errors.

Hi, my old P4/WinXP machine started to receive some WUs about COVID19 (Rosetta 4.12) but all of them could not execute. The message said 'Computation Error'. Then another WU was downloaded and the same thing happened again. Is this because of Windows XP?

Hi, my old P4/WinXP machine started to receive some WUs about COVID19 (Rosetta 4.12) but all of them could not execute. The message said 'Computation Error'. Then another WU was downloaded and the same thing happened again. Is this because of Windows XP?

Or the fact it is a Pentium 4.
I've had a look around and can't see any mention of minimum OS or CPU requirements for running Rosetta@home work.

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Grant
Darwin NT

A Windows XP pc connected to internet? A Pentium 4? Yeah.... well.... the problem seems self explanatory, too old...
Windows XP is horribly unsecure, at least switch to Linux.

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Hi all, new to Rosetta. I have been running Seti@Home since last fall with no issues. I added Rosetta@ home on two PC's. Upon re-boot Rosetta is removed from the list projects list. I have to add new task, select Rosetta and re-enter password info. Seti does not do this. What am I missing ?? I am using a different password from Seti if that makes a difference.

Looking forward to the new project.

Bill S.

A Windows XP pc connected to internet? A Pentium 4? Yeah.... well.... the problem seems self explanatory, too old...
Windows XP is horribly unsecure, at least switch to Linux.

Well. I'm currently living at my dad's place and this is his PC, the only one I can have. It still can run WUs from WCG and Asteroid@Home. The problem is not how powerful the PC is. It's why current Rosetta WUs don't work with it? Compatible issue? A month ago there was no problem, even my older PC, a PIII/WinXP, run Rosetta WUs pretty well.

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1142073034

<core_client_version>7.14.2</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
couldn't start app: CreateProcess() failed - (unknown error)</message>
]]>

Is an antivirus preventing the new application version's .exe from running?

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

Hi all, new to Rosetta. I have been running Seti@Home since last fall with no issues. I added Rosetta@ home on two PC's. Upon re-boot Rosetta is removed from the list projects list. I have to add new task, select Rosetta and re-enter password info. Seti does not do this. What am I missing ?? I am using a different password from Seti if that makes a difference.

Looking forward to the new project.

Bill S.

Rosetta does not spontaneously remove itself.

Is something replacing the BOINC directories from a stale copy when you reboot?

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense