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Message 110208 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 3:34:23 UTC - in response to Message 110206.  
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My original account 'danwat1234' seems to have been deleted serverside tonight.
Unlikely.

This may help.
Forgot your account info?



I have about 320 machines hungry for work. Please don't make me reset the project on all of them.
There is presently no work available here.
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Message 110211 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 3:54:04 UTC

Page is still indexed but user no longer exists.

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Message 110213 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 3:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 110210.  

Network issues can result in a new host being created- but i've never come across an account suddenly changing hands, let alone 2.


Unfortunately i've not got the slightest idea of what can be done as there is absolutely zero interaction with the project personnel here.
If you can find a way to contact any of them, then maybe something can be done, but i don't like your chances.
Good luck.
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Message 110214 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 4:02:11 UTC
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Maybe email ipdadmin@uw.edu and dabaker@uw.edu?
Found emails here: https://www.bakerlab.org/contact/
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Message 110217 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 4:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 110215.  

Did not change hands.
It was yours, now it's not yours and it hasn't been deleted, so that makes it someone else's (even if that is nobody). Sounds like changing hands to me.
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Message 110218 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 4:51:30 UTC
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When i open https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=297965 it says "No such user 297965"
It looks like deleted account for me.
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Message 110220 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 7:38:00 UTC

My Acount is active since days, get atm a lot of resends.
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Message 110226 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 10:41:27 UTC

The Scheduler beginning to work :-)
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Message 110227 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 10:48:36 UTC - in response to Message 110226.  

The Scheduler beginning to work :-)
?
It hadn't stopped.

boinc-process looks as though it might be coming back to life though- some functions are showing as running again, although most are still dead.
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Message 110230 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 18:43:01 UTC

Concerning the missing accounts, boincstats shows corresponding data:

https://www.boincstats.com/stats/14/user/list/0/1000/0
The "last day" rank up numbers show all users at the 100th place rising 5 positions, corresponding to 5 users missing in the top 100, so 5% of user accounts went missing there.
Similar scaling at the 1000th place, rising 65 positions corresponding to 65 users missing within the top 1000 = 6.5%.

At the same time the credits of those accounts vanished from the total as well:
https://www.boincstats.com/stats/14/project/detail/credit
https://www.boincstats.com/stats/14/project/detail/lastDays

Yesterday, the total credit balance of the project was 157,333,935,910.
Today it's 151,216,469,526.
So 6,117,466,384 credits (6.1 BILLION credits, 3.9% of total) vanished, as shown by the massive column going negative in the credits per day, today.
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Message 110231 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 18:45:57 UTC

I wonder what happened to forum posts by missing accounts?
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Message 110232 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 20:11:40 UTC
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This list sorted by rising credits per day, starting in the deep negative, should contain at least a subset of the missing accounts (~5050 at this time):
https://www.boincstats.com/stats/-1/user/list/13/0/0

I suspect there was a massive purge, intentional or unintentional, and it's either not fully synchronized with externals sites, or masked by other projects adding more credits daily than have been lost in total by rosetta.

With old google results I found something else interesting:
The alphabetical user list, containing old pages. Example:

- R -

User Profiles - Names beginning with R: Page 1 of 8
Last updated 14 Dec 2024, 12:50:08 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_R_1.html

User Profiles - Names beginning with R: Page 8 of 8
Last updated 14 Dec 2024, 12:50:08 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_R_8.html

User Profiles - Names beginning with R: Page 9 of 56
Last updated 13 Dec 2024, 12:50:39 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_R_9.html

User Profiles - Names beginning with R: Page 56 of 56
Last updated 13 Dec 2024, 12:50:39 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_R_56.html

-> ~ 86% of all users starting with "R" missing

And you can do that for every character:

- A -
User Profiles - Names beginning with A: Page 9 of 9
Last updated 14 Dec 2024, 12:50:08 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_A_9.html

User Profiles - Names beginning with A: Page 10 of 68
Last updated 13 Dec 2024, 12:50:40 UTC

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_A_10.html

-> ~ 87% of all users starting with "A" missing


Edit:
A more complete comparison of the magnitude of this purge - Profiles by country:
Snapshot February 2024:
http://web.archive.org/web/20240227133833/https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_country.html
∑ 10,317

Today:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/user_profile/profile_country.html
∑ 1,363

Edit 2: Deltas
Profiles per Country (sum)
2024-02-26 10317
2024-12-14 1363
∆: -8954

Users with credit
2024-12-13 1381403
2024-12-14 1373594
∆: -7809

Users with recent credit
2024-12-13 13749
2024-12-14 13628
∆: -121
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Message 110234 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 20:24:36 UTC

Last night there were 20 Anonymous user accounts in the top 100 Hosts list.
Now there are 23.
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Message 110236 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 20:34:36 UTC

At least the Validation backlog has almost cleared.

And as for the missing accounts-
On the main page Server Status section,

Notice: Undefined variable: stats in /projects/boinc/rosetta/html/user/index.php on line 81

If a record isn't in the index, then for all intents and purposes, it doesn't exist. Since it's the User index, then those Users effectively don't exist (even though they are still in the database).
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Message 110238 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 22:46:03 UTC

Although it's clear enough already that the majority of registered accounts were purged I just wanted to chime in as another person who was affected
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Message 110239 - Posted: 14 Dec 2024, 23:06:20 UTC - in response to Message 110238.  

Although it's clear enough already that the majority of registered accounts were purged I just wanted to chime in as another person who was affected



Let's let the dust settle and find out what actually happened and what can be done. The Server Status page shows 1.3M users with credit so the majority of registered users have NOT been deleted.

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Message 110241 - Posted: 15 Dec 2024, 0:20:51 UTC

If those affected could post their event log entry with the date & time & UTC offset of when the issue first came up in the "Account lost??" thread, it might actually help in sorting out the problem if someone is able to get the project's attention to that thread.
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Message 110242 - Posted: 15 Dec 2024, 1:30:21 UTC - in response to Message 110241.  

Does anybody know if the powers that be do listen in here? I suspect that it might be in their interest to know what's happening out here in the wilderness.
For example...this is interesting to me and I'm not near at the moment...
https://media.alaskapublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Aleutians-quakes-1536x892.jpg
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Message 110243 - Posted: 15 Dec 2024, 6:28:06 UTC - in response to Message 110236.  

Yeah you're right; i only went by profiles not total users.
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Message 110245 - Posted: 15 Dec 2024, 9:52:39 UTC

Notice: Undefined variable: stats in /projects/boinc/rosetta/html/user/index.php on line 81
Is no longer showing on the home page Server Status area.

Still no sign of the missing accounts, but hopefully the issue has been fixed and in the next 24hrs the index should be re-built & then they should re-appear...
*fingers crossed*
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