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Message 109078 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 9:55:39 UTC - in response to Message 109077.  

The problem is that some of these wus are near the deadline.
It's a pity to throw away the work done.... (i don't care a lot about points, i care about science)
And it will stop you from being able to get new work from other projects as well.
So return them & get more work & hope the project fixes up all the failed Validation Tasks when they fix the Validation issue.

As it is, if they don't Validate then they won't (or they shouldn't) go into the science database. If it's not Valid, then it's not going to be of use to science. That's the whole point of Validation, otherwise it's just garbage in, and then garbage out.
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Message 109079 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 11:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 109078.  

As it is, if they don't Validate then they won't (or they shouldn't) go into the science database. If it's not Valid, then it's not going to be of use to science. That's the whole point of Validation, otherwise it's just garbage in, and then garbage out.


That's the point!!
Thousands of wu wasted...
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Message 109080 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 11:21:20 UTC

I don't want to recieve more posts about this unless it is a post from staff member that fixed it.
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Message 109081 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 12:04:38 UTC - in response to Message 109074.  
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Let's see if these work units are still credited.
If it's not Valid, there is no Credit.

Rosetta does (or did) have an overnight scheduled job that sought out tasks that completed successfully but didn't validate in order to credit them anyway, but that clearly hasn't happened yet (overnight on the West Coast presumably).

Let me see if I can revive my contact to the project team, seeing as I haven't contacted them for a year.
Maybe they'e less fed up of me by now.

Edit: Email sent. We wait
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Message 109082 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 15:14:23 UTC - in response to Message 109080.  

unless it is a post from staff member that fixed it.


Staff member??
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Message 109083 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 22:23:29 UTC

28 tasks with validate error...great....but i suppose thats just the way it goes with a beta.
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Message 109084 - Posted: 4 Apr 2024, 22:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 109083.  

28 tasks with validate error...great....but i suppose thats just the way it goes with a beta.


NO. That is the way Rosetta has chosen.

There should be a preference option that allows you to OPT OUT of the BETA work units. This is ESPECIALLY true if the project gives ZERO credit for the computing. About 25% of the BETA work units I am receiving run for several hours, finish without errors, and are marked INVALID as wasted work.

These INVALID results are a problem with the Rosetta BETA binary. Rosetta has chosen to run all the BETA units for hours instead of minutes. They could run the BETA binaries for minutes instead of hours until the BETA binaries have some successes.
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Message 109085 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 0:04:02 UTC - in response to Message 109083.  

28 tasks with validate error...great....but i suppose thats just the way it goes with a beta.


They might have beta in the name but these have been the production WUs for some time now.
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Message 109086 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 3:05:05 UTC - in response to Message 109081.  

Let's see if these work units are still credited.
If it's not Valid, there is no Credit.

Rosetta does (or did) have an overnight scheduled job that sought out tasks that completed successfully but didn't validate in order to credit them anyway, but that clearly hasn't happened yet (overnight on the West Coast presumably).

Let me see if I can revive my contact to the project team, seeing as I haven't contacted them for a year.
Maybe they'e less fed up of me by now.

Edit: Email sent. We wait

Looking like they're still fed up with me... no response & no change I can notice
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Message 109087 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 5:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 109071.  

Yep, The Validator is borked,

For me, anything returned from 3 Apr 2024, 22:02:46 UTC fails, and a quick look at th top computers shows the same thing- everything going back at present fails Validation.

If someone could get the Projects attention?

First one here (of 52 in total) was at 4:28:28 UTC 3 April; another task reported at the same time did validate.
Then 16 tasks in a row were validated, the last at 12:54:34 UTC, after which everything was marked invalid. (There are no Rosetta tasks running on my system since 4 Apr 2024, 21:05:07 UTC at the latest.)

The only thing that appears common among them all is that they all took approximately 10800 to 10900 seconds to run.
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Message 109089 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 6:48:01 UTC - in response to Message 109084.  

These INVALID results are a problem with the Rosetta BETA binary.
No, they are a result of the system outage, which when resolved came back with the Validator not working (even though the Server Staus page shows it as running).

I would expect the vast majority of all the Invalid Tasks are actually Valid. They just need to fix the Validator, then re-Validate all the Invalid Tasks.
That way every one will get Credit for the work they have done, except for those few Tasks that are actually Invalid.
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Message 109090 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 10:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 109086.  

Looking like they're still fed up with me... no response & no change I can notice
Thank you for trying.

The Server Status info on the Rosetta home page has not updated since 4 Apr 2024, 11:03:04 UTC. I hope this will start updating again once the validator is fixed.
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Message 109091 - Posted: 5 Apr 2024, 10:03:47 UTC - in response to Message 109086.  
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Message 109093 - Posted: 6 Apr 2024, 5:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 109090.  

Looking like they're still fed up with me... no response & no change I can notice
Thank you for trying.

The Server Status info on the Rosetta home page has not updated since 4 Apr 2024, 11:03:04 UTC. I hope this will start updating again once the validator is fixed.

On the home page, yes. Somehow the Server Status page itself is being refreshed.
I've been scouting around for another appropriate email address and in the process discovered that the one I've been using has been removed - but I'm not getting any bounces back - so maybe I'm not getting ignored at all but my mails are going to dev/nul or something.
When I get home on Sunday I'm going to try a different more generic email address and see if I can get a message to whatever IT people they use rather than go via researchers.
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Message 109094 - Posted: 6 Apr 2024, 5:52:57 UTC

I just had my first job validated when it was returned
Received 6 Apr 2024, 5:24:13 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success

Older returned jobs are still invalid
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Message 109095 - Posted: 6 Apr 2024, 7:42:14 UTC - in response to Message 109094.  

I just had my first job validated when it was returned
Received 6 Apr 2024, 5:24:13 UTC
Server state Over
Outcome Success

Older returned jobs are still invalid

You have indeed.
I was just coming back to correct myself that the date/time of the server info on the home page had finally been updated and your information indicates that was just a symptom of a wider correction.
As you also say, hopefully their next job is to revalidate our older tasks from April 3rd ~22:00 UTC to April 6th ~05:20
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Message 109096 - Posted: 6 Apr 2024, 8:28:07 UTC - in response to Message 109095.  

As you also say, hopefully their next job is to revalidate our older tasks from April 3rd ~22:00 UTC to April 6th ~05:20
*Fingers crossed*
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Message 109097 - Posted: 7 Apr 2024, 6:34:08 UTC

Picked up a couple of resends, and they Validated OK.
Just need the Invalids re-validated & all will be good.
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Message 109100 - Posted: 8 Apr 2024, 20:30:51 UTC - in response to Message 109068.  

And we're back...

Looks like the whole website went down for about 10hours today.
Couldn't even get to the Rosetta home page let alone upload results.
Everything going through fine now

And again, we're back.
Another 2-3hr outage of the entire website.

I did send another email - and mentioned how Validation didn't come back last time, so to double-check that.
And snuck in a request for revalidation of tasks from April 4-6 that all errored out, just in case they're in a good mood (I didn't mention it last time)
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Message 109101 - Posted: 9 Apr 2024, 15:59:06 UTC - in response to Message 109097.  

Just need the Invalids re-validated & all will be good.


No optimism here
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