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Message 107566 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 7:36:03 UTC - in response to Message 107563.  
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I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.
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Message 107567 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 15:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 107565.  

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They were previously sending so many MCM1 tasks that the download server was often slow to respond, although it tended to make it easier to download large input files that small ones.
I was doing WCG a day or three ago and was getting 90% cancer and 10% CPU COVID. I was getting no GPU COVID. Why don't they put all the COVID onto GPU and leave the CPUs free for cancer? Or do they have different types of tasks and some need a CPU?

EDIT: I've just switched it back on and one of my computers requested work and got a tonne of CPU COVID, and no cancer. I want the GPU work.

Even my phone's got some COVID work.

What happened to the rainfall project? I know they had difficulties with the input data before the move to Krembil, but I thought that was all sorted out, and when Krembil started it up, I got lots of rainfall.

Making the changes you suggest sounds like a good way to increase the load on their download server, and therefore make the problems worse.

I got some rainfall project work last night, although not at good times to see the size of their downloads. Hopefully, the size is enough less than for the cancer work that they can increase that work soon.

I'd also like more GPU work .
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Message 107568 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 15:58:34 UTC - in response to Message 107566.  

I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.

Putting more money into their server is likely to be a slow process, even if that's something they're doing. They aren't saying if they're doing it or not.
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Message 107569 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 16:05:15 UTC - in response to Message 107568.  

I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.

Putting more money into their server is likely to be a slow process, even if that's something they're doing. They aren't saying if they're doing it or not.
I can buy a computer in 20 seconds with my bank card. It would get delivered in a couple of days, then my 200 tech staff (that Krembil have) would get it up and running in a week.

Where the fuck is my last reply to you?
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Message 107570 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 16:42:51 UTC - in response to Message 107569.  

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Putting more money into their server is likely to be a slow process, even if that's something they're doing. They aren't saying if they're doing it or not.
I can buy a computer in 20 seconds with my bank card. It would get delivered in a couple of days, then my 200 tech staff (that Krembil have) would get it up and running in a week.

Where the fuck is my last reply to you?


Server grade equipment is harder to find and therefore takes longer to order.

Or would you prefer to have them use the more common grade of equipment and therefore have frequent outages?

Could your last reply be SLOWLY making its way across the Atlantic? Or could Krembil have at least one employee who is reading your messages and is able to slow them down or delete them, but isn't able to do anything for their download server?
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Message 107571 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 16:54:02 UTC - in response to Message 107570.  

Server grade equipment is harder to find and therefore takes longer to order.
Not four months. And I used to order server parts in under a week. They're not hard to find, there are many servers in the world and many manufacturers making the parts.

Or would you prefer to have them use the more common grade of equipment and therefore have frequent outages?
You can't have an outage from bugger all. A 486 in a basement would do better than their cobbled together crap.

Could your last reply be SLOWLY making its way across the Atlantic?
No I fired it with a trebuchet.

Or could Krembil have at least one employee who is reading your messages and is able to slow them down or delete them, but isn't able to do anything for their download server?
That would be against the law, since this message is to the Rosetta server.
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Message 107572 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 17:09:42 UTC

This is all I get these days

10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID 19
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID-19 - GPU
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Help Stop TB
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Mapping Cancer Markers
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them


I have no idea what the brain farts is going on over there.
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Message 107573 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 17:11:41 UTC - in response to Message 107572.  
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This is all I get these days

10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID 19
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID-19 - GPU
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Help Stop TB
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Mapping Cancer Markers
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

I have no idea what the brain farts is going on over there.
So you ask for CPU work and it says you can only have GPU work, yet I ask for GPU work and it says I can only have CPU work. Krembil are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Message 107574 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 18:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 107573.  

This is all I get these days

10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID 19
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for OpenPandemics - COVID-19 - GPU
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Help Stop TB
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | No tasks are available for Mapping Cancer Markers
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for AMD/ATI GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them
10/24/2022 2:50:37 PM | World Community Grid | Tasks for Intel GPU are available, but your preferences are set to not accept them

I have no idea what the brain farts is going on over there.
So you ask for CPU work and it says you can only have GPU work, yet I ask for GPU work and it says I can only have CPU work. Krembil are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.



And no NVDIA work..just AMD/ATI and Intel? What the +-*/ !
Come on....
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Message 107575 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 21:54:51 UTC - in response to Message 107574.  

And no NVDIA work..just AMD/ATI and Intel? What the +-*/ !

They have no AMD or Intel work either. If you had an AMD card, it would say "only work for Nvidia and Intel".
So it is whatever you don't have.

They think of everything.
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Message 107576 - Posted: 24 Oct 2022, 22:05:36 UTC - in response to Message 107575.  

Try to run
cd /d c:\Program Files\BOINC

:loop

TIMEOUT /T 10 /nobreak
boinccmd.exe --project http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org update

TIMEOUT /T 256 /nobreak
goto loop
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Message 107577 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 6:21:18 UTC - in response to Message 107576.  
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Try to run
cd /d c:\Program Files\BOINC

:loop

TIMEOUT /T 10 /nobreak
boinccmd.exe --project http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org update

TIMEOUT /T 256 /nobreak
goto loop



Better yet...remove WCG. A few tasks once a week or something. come on.

Posted in their forum. Got 5 identical responses.
So all this rah rah rah stuff WCG posts has nothing to do with their inability to generate work. Only that they can talk about the stuff they had run in the past.
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Message 107578 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 9:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 107576.  
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Try to run
cd /d c:\Program Files\BOINC

:loop

TIMEOUT /T 10 /nobreak
boinccmd.exe --project http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org update

TIMEOUT /T 256 /nobreak
goto loop

Better simply set WCG to NNT and enable other projects until they get it to work properly, running scripts like that makes everything only worse and no additional science is going to be done that way, as instead of yours some other, maybe unattended computers are going to be idle. WCG has currently more than enough resources, no need to force more in there.
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Message 107579 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 14:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 107566.  
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I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.


I think things were a lot smoother when IBM ran WCG.
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Message 107580 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 18:35:09 UTC - in response to Message 107579.  

I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.


I think things were a lot smoother when IBM ran WCG.


They did.

Why did IBM drop them like a rock anyway?
I never read that part.
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Message 107581 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 19:04:31 UTC - in response to Message 107580.  
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Why did IBM drop them like a rock anyway?
I never read that part.

Possibly because IBM was involved only as a donation to charity. They weren't making any money by providing the servers.
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Message 107582 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 19:20:19 UTC - in response to Message 107566.  
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I don't expect Krembil to like this, since it means little work for the MCM1 subproject they are especially interested in.
Then why don't Krembil put some more money into their falling apart server? I think we should start calling them Crumble.


Krembil isn't exactly a multi-billion dollar corporation like IBM is.
They have a much smaller budget and the WCG team is asking for donations.
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Message 107583 - Posted: 25 Oct 2022, 23:52:32 UTC - in response to Message 107581.  

Possibly because IBM was involved only as a donation to charity. They weren't making any money by providing the servers.

That is certainly part of it. I am wondering though whether they began to doubt the scientific value of it. If a great new treatment would result for cancer, or Covid, they would probably want to hang on for the good publicity. They may have thought the projects had been bypassed by newer techniques. Scripps has not set up their own website for Open Pandemics, and even Krembil has not put enough emphasis to fix it for their own project. It must not be the highest priority for any of them.
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Message 107584 - Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 19:12:15 UTC

After some conversation over in WCG, it seems there is a little trick to get work flowing again.
Go into your profile and change your project settings, save that and then change back to what you had and send out a update via BOINC.
I did that and I have work again.
Transient errors were apparently fixed last week according to the tech wizard.
So I guess they got the bugs fixed finally.
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Message 107586 - Posted: 26 Oct 2022, 19:51:43 UTC - in response to Message 107584.  
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Thanks, but it doesn't work for me. Also, I can't attach to any location except "school", even if I detach from the project and reattach.

EDIT: I can change locations by "resetting" the project, instead of detach/reattach.
But even that trick worked only on my Win10 machine, not my Ubuntu 20.04 machines.
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