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Message 107126 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:54:56 UTC - in response to Message 107123.  
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And are running successfully, fully and with no errors on Intel, AMD and Android as well, which can't be said for everything.
My 2 Androids (OS 7 and 11) are getting no tasks.

I was sure I had a few earlier in the week, but my host isn't showing recent completions so you may be right

Just to mention, I'm definitely getting some Android tasks among the current batch.
I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.
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Message 107127 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:56:13 UTC - in response to Message 107124.  

I've emailed to report it and hope someone gets to it before everyone runs off for the weekend.
Who did you email? I didn't think there was anyone listening.

Only in the last half hour. I'm not long back from work myself. Give them a chance.
I mean nobody there has responded to anything anyone has sent for half a year or so. I myself tried the three email addresses on their webpage and got nothing.
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Message 107129 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:14:42 UTC - in response to Message 107126.  

And are running successfully, fully and with no errors on Intel, AMD and Android as well, which can't be said for everything.
My 2 Androids (OS 7 and 11) are getting no tasks.

I was sure I had a few earlier in the week, but my host isn't showing recent completions so you may be right

Just to mention, I'm definitely getting some Android tasks among the current batch.
I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.

I can't answer that. I have a Samsung 10 with Android 12 if that makes a difference and I'm definitely running 2 tasks right now, with 2 recently completed
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Message 107131 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:27:29 UTC - in response to Message 107129.  
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I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.
I can't answer that. I have a Samsung 10 with Android 12 if that makes a difference and I'm definitely running 2 tasks right now, with 2 recently completed
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I have a Samsung A10 with Android 11 and a VKWorld Mix Plus with Android 7. I guess you got lucky. I normally get quite a few tasks on both of them.

P.S. what projects can you run on your phone? I've found the later Android versions prevent most projects running due to over the top security. All I can run on the Samsung is Einstein, LHC, Rosetta, Universe.
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Message 107132 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:29:40 UTC - in response to Message 107131.  

My android phone can't run moo wrapper and Yoyo because it still uses 32 bit system and dnetc was compiled for 64 bits.
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Message 107133 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:45:09 UTC - in response to Message 107132.  
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My android phone can't run moo wrapper and Yoyo because it still uses 32 bit system and dnetc was compiled for 64 bits.
Same here, but I thought it was a security problem? I have Android 11 (although the phone came with 9), and when I went onto the yoyo forum, they said modern Android versions prohibit whatever they do to run a program from a program.

My android 7 phone runs yoyo and moo just fine.
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Message 107134 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:45:41 UTC - in response to Message 107127.  

I've emailed to report it and hope someone gets to it before everyone runs off for the weekend.
Who did you email? I didn't think there was anyone listening.

Only in the last half hour. I'm not long back from work myself. Give them a chance.
I mean nobody there has responded to anything anyone has sent for half a year or so. I myself tried the three email addresses on their webpage and got nothing.

That seems to be true based on their generic email addresses, but it's not the case for me.
Yes, I do know how that sounds, but I posted an email reply I had just a week or so ago
this one
When the pandemic started and people were coming here in their 10 and 100s of thousands and the project was exploding with demands and tasks and exceeded its capacity and everyone was moaning and complaining multiple times per day I was given an email address for a particular exercise to help resolve it from a user perspective, which made a huge difference in very short order at the time.
I never abused that email address and never used it again until Mod.Sense departed (and we discovered how important he was) and circumstances forced me to make use of it again.
I still (hope I) don't abuse the privilege, which I think helps on the few occasions I've needed to use it since.

Saying all that, I haven't had a response as yet, but I don't actually need to have one if they do what's necessary, which is all that counts.
The report has gone in to the right place
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Message 107135 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:49:10 UTC - in response to Message 107131.  

I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.
I can't answer that. I have a Samsung 10 with Android 12 if that makes a difference and I'm definitely running 2 tasks right now, with 2 recently completed
here
I have a Samsung A10 with Android 11 and a VKWorld Mix Plus with Android 7. I guess you got lucky. I normally get quite a few tasks on both of them.

P.S. what projects can you run on your phone? I've found the later Android versions prevent most projects running due to over the top security. All I can run on the Samsung is Einstein, LHC, Rosetta, Universe.

Most obviously, WCGrid. I seem to always get tasks when the Project is up. Mapping Cancer Markers, mainly.
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Message 107136 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:56:33 UTC - in response to Message 107135.  

I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.
I can't answer that. I have a Samsung 10 with Android 12 if that makes a difference and I'm definitely running 2 tasks right now, with 2 recently completed
here
I have a Samsung A10 with Android 11 and a VKWorld Mix Plus with Android 7. I guess you got lucky. I normally get quite a few tasks on both of them.

P.S. what projects can you run on your phone? I've found the later Android versions prevent most projects running due to over the top security. All I can run on the Samsung is Einstein, LHC, Rosetta, Universe.

Most obviously, WCGrid. I seem to always get tasks when the Project is up. Mapping Cancer Markers, mainly.
My newer phone stopped doing those, it kept crashing the OS. That was before and after I upgraded it from Android 9 to 11. No idea why this happened. Only thing is it has a very small amount of RAM. In fact I can only do 4 Einsteins at once, on its 8 cores. The others do Universe. Can't find anything else with a good supply of work.
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Message 107137 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 2:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 107136.  

Does it run all 8 cores on one frequency or is it like those new intel cpus with half cores with half power?
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Message 107138 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 3:06:52 UTC - in response to Message 107136.  

I have 2 Androids who were told no tasks available 2, 7, and 9 hours ago. So for some reason there aren't many of them.
I can't answer that. I have a Samsung 10 with Android 12 if that makes a difference and I'm definitely running 2 tasks right now, with 2 recently completed
here
I have a Samsung A10 with Android 11 and a VKWorld Mix Plus with Android 7. I guess you got lucky. I normally get quite a few tasks on both of them.

P.S. what projects can you run on your phone? I've found the later Android versions prevent most projects running due to over the top security. All I can run on the Samsung is Einstein, LHC, Rosetta, Universe.

Most obviously, WCGrid. I seem to always get tasks when the Project is up. Mapping Cancer Markers, mainly.
My newer phone stopped doing those, it kept crashing the OS. That was before and after I upgraded it from Android 9 to 11. No idea why this happened. Only thing is it has a very small amount of RAM. In fact I can only do 4 Einsteins at once, on its 8 cores. The others do Universe. Can't find anything else with a good supply of work.

I don't understand phones at all, so I can't help as to why.
Generally speaking, WCG tasks seem to be less resource intensive so it does seem odd if you can run other projects ok.
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Message 107139 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 3:46:03 UTC - in response to Message 107112.  

You are beginning to remind me of the people I've fought with over the past few years, who actually believe that H.264 and x.264 are different video codecs.
But on to the present, and your apparent attention deficit disorder.

[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
I know exactly what they are and have several, they're much faster. An SSD over SATA is far too slow, because of the SATA.

Are you from the Android forum?

Well, clearly you do not know, or you would not be suggesting that NVMe is some kind of storage device. It is not. NVMe is a host controller interface specification, the same as SATA. Thus, one might well imagine that some day, we might also see HDDs with a NVMe interface, just as we now have SSDs with a NVMe interface.
I'm not interested in your OCD. I know perfectly well how all disks work and have been in the business since 1997. Please learn basic English. Here is a helper for you:

Hard disk/rust spinner = mechanical drive connected via SATA, previously IDE. Now gets up to about 170MB/s.

SSD = solid state drive connected via SATA, limited by SATA to about 550MB/s.

NVME = solid state drive connected directly to the motherboard using PCI express, gets up to 7000MB/s.

I prefer 7000 to 550.

Thanks for the history lesson, but I actually don't need it. I've been in this game since the IBM/XT was born. I've done my stint in IT, back when ethernet was barely a rumour and ARCnet was all the rage. A colleague at the time was all hot about ethernet, as the rumours suggested that ethernet would be capable of a whole 2 Mbps whereas ARCnet could only do 1!! Talk about progress!!

BTW, you forgot to mention SCSI, and SATA was not "previously IDE" -- SATA means "serial ATA", while another name for IDE is "parallel ATA".

So, once again -- SSD simply means the device uses solid state electronics as its storage medium. it absolutely does NOT refer to the device/host interface, which must be specified separately.
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Message 107141 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 5:39:30 UTC - in response to Message 107112.  

I know perfectly well how all disks work and have been in the business since 1997. Please learn basic English. Here is a helper for you:

Hard disk/rust spinner = mechanical drive connected via SATA, previously IDE. Now gets up to about 170MB/s.

SSD = solid state drive connected via SATA, limited by SATA to about 550MB/s.

NVME = solid state drive connected directly to the motherboard using PCI express, gets up to 7000MB/s.

I prefer 7000 to 550.



As I understand it ....

The underlying speed difference of the SSD chips is probably not that much different, NVME speed relies heavily on dram cache inside the SSD package, if a similar cache system was built into the CPU motherboard and a SATA drive used, would the performance of the system be similar to NVME?

Basically NVME vs SATA is measuring speed at a different point in the chain.

Going one step further, do any motherboards have a dedicated disk-cache system built in? If not, why not? It would appear to be a terrible waste having every SSD containing components that could be located on the motherboard where more flexible choices could be included.
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Message 107142 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 6:36:09 UTC - in response to Message 107141.  
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As I understand it ....

The underlying speed difference of the SSD chips is probably not that much different, NVME speed relies heavily on dram cache inside the SSD package, if a similar cache system was built into the CPU motherboard and a SATA drive used, would the performance of the system be similar to NVME?

The short answer is no- NVMe devices use the PCIe bus which offers up to 64GB/s, whereas SATA devices use the SATA interface and SATA III is limited to 600MB/s.
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Message 107143 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 7:57:02 UTC

Dropped WCG. Seems the GPU server can't do it's job handing out tasks properly.
Everything stalls with transient errors.
Oh well...something else then.
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Message 107145 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 9:40:28 UTC - in response to Message 107143.  

Dropped WCG. Seems the GPU server can't do it's job handing out tasks properly.
Everything stalls with transient errors.
Oh well...something else then.

Not sure why you need to drop it. You're not getting runnable tasks anyway...
But I sympathise. I'm getting the same thing and it's driving me nuts.

On the plus side, while Rosetta has some tasks, hits on WCG have reduced and it's not <quite> as bad as it has been.
Still terrible though, I accept
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Message 107146 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 11:39:14 UTC - in response to Message 107145.  

Meantime, the validator and the assimilator seem to be freezed
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Message 107147 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 13:37:52 UTC - in response to Message 107137.  
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Does it run all 8 cores on one frequency or is it like those new intel cpus with half cores with half power?
It is "big/little" with different frequencies, but they're only marginally different. Something like 1.4 and 1.8. 2 small 6 large. But strangely they tend to all run at the same speed, perhaps it can't use all 8 at full power at once or it would overheat. Probably I could run 6 of 1.8 or 8 of 1.4.

But since WCG is single core, I don't see why this would matter.
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Message 107148 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 13:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 107139.  

You are beginning to remind me of the people I've fought with over the past few years, who actually believe that H.264 and x.264 are different video codecs.
But on to the present, and your apparent attention deficit disorder.

Thanks for the history lesson, but I actually don't need it. I've been in this game since the IBM/XT was born. I've done my stint in IT, back when ethernet was barely a rumour and ARCnet was all the rage. A colleague at the time was all hot about ethernet, as the rumours suggested that ethernet would be capable of a whole 2 Mbps whereas ARCnet could only do 1!! Talk about progress!!

BTW, you forgot to mention SCSI, and SATA was not "previously IDE" -- SATA means "serial ATA", while another name for IDE is "parallel ATA".

So, once again -- SSD simply means the device uses solid state electronics as its storage medium. it absolutely does NOT refer to the device/host interface, which must be specified separately.
ROTFPMSL. Let me explain again, I'm talking about what people call them, not precise OCD terminology. Again, would you tell me you've just bought a car or you've just bought a Ferrari?

Anyone saying they have an SSD clearly has a SATA attached one, or they would say NVME, just take a look at the ads for new computers containing them. You don't undersell what you're advertising.

SATA was IDE. It was the successor to it. They made it faster and serial.
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Message 107149 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 13:43:36 UTC - in response to Message 107145.  

Dropped WCG. Seems the GPU server can't do it's job handing out tasks properly.
Everything stalls with transient errors.
Oh well...something else then.

Not sure why you need to drop it. You're not getting runnable tasks anyway...
But I sympathise. I'm getting the same thing and it's driving me nuts.
Huh? I was getting almost 3 million credit per day running 12 GPUs on it 24/7. You need to configure Boinc better....
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