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Message 107092 - Posted: 4 Oct 2022, 19:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 107091.  

But this all takes time since I run only 14 hrs a day.
Lightweight, I run 10 machines 24 hours a day :-)
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Message 107094 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 2:00:42 UTC

Ooh, new batch of tasks again? No idea how big yet
We could get used to this
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Message 107096 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 4:27:40 UTC - in response to Message 107094.  

Ooh, new batch of tasks again? No idea how big yet
We could get used to this


I certainly hope so!

Looks like things are running okay so far. This is batch 2. ~5mil total for this experiment on the way.
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Message 107097 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 9:02:45 UTC - in response to Message 107096.  

Looks like things are running okay so far. This is batch 2. ~5mil total for this experiment on the way.


Great!!
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Message 107099 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 10:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 107096.  

Ooh, new batch of tasks again? No idea how big yet
We could get used to this

I certainly hope so!

Looks like things are running okay so far. This is batch 2. ~5mil total for this experiment on the way.

Because there was a slight gap between the previous batch ending and the new one being issued, my systems switched over to my backup project, so I haven't started running any yet.
But the previous batch all ran successfully - no reason to think this one will be any different.

Ideally, I don't want to run my backup project, so if there are any other researchers needing to have work done, send them our way and we'll get a flow going without interruptions.
Things work more reliably on both sides of the server divide that way
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Message 107101 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 23:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 107096.  

Ooh, new batch of tasks again? No idea how big yet
We could get used to this


I certainly hope so!

Looks like things are running okay so far. This is batch 2. ~5mil total for this experiment on the way.

Nice to have lots of R4.2 work without problematic pythons eating my ssd :-)
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Message 107102 - Posted: 6 Oct 2022, 23:55:35 UTC - in response to Message 107101.  
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Nice to have lots of R4.2 work without problematic pythons eating my ssd :-)
Those things last forever despite what people say. Anyway, SSDs suck, I use NVME.
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Message 107103 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 0:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 107102.  

[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
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Message 107106 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 12:04:15 UTC - in response to Message 107103.  

[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
I know exactly what they are and have several, they're much faster. An SSD over SATA is far too slow, because of the SATA.

Are you from the Android forum?
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Message 107107 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 13:26:49 UTC

Any idea why completed work units are not being validated?
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Message 107108 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 13:47:07 UTC - in response to Message 107107.  

Any idea why completed work units are not being validated?

Sometimes it's because they are waiting for enough other copies to complete the quorum,

Sometimes it's because the validator program isn't running.
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Message 107109 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 14:16:46 UTC - in response to Message 107108.  
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Any idea why completed work units are not being validated?
Sometimes it's because they are waiting for enough other copies to complete the quorum,

Sometimes it's because the validator program isn't running.
There are currently a very large number waiting for validation (a third of a million). Looking at my waiting ones, and my recently validated ones, they have "minimum quorum 1" which suggests they're self checking, or the server does so, so we're waiting on the server, not any other user. Something must have gone wrong at their end.
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Message 107111 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 15:33:05 UTC - in response to Message 107106.  

[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
I know exactly what they are and have several, they're much faster. An SSD over SATA is far too slow, because of the SATA.

Are you from the Android forum?

Well, clearly you do not know, or you would not be suggesting that NVMe is some kind of storage device. It is not. NVMe is a host controller interface specification, the same as SATA. Thus, one might well imagine that some day, we might also see HDDs with a NVMe interface, just as we now have SSDs with a NVMe interface.
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Message 107112 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 16:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 107111.  

[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
I know exactly what they are and have several, they're much faster. An SSD over SATA is far too slow, because of the SATA.

Are you from the Android forum?

Well, clearly you do not know, or you would not be suggesting that NVMe is some kind of storage device. It is not. NVMe is a host controller interface specification, the same as SATA. Thus, one might well imagine that some day, we might also see HDDs with a NVMe interface, just as we now have SSDs with a NVMe interface.
I'm not interested in your OCD. I know perfectly well how all disks work and have been in the business since 1997. Please learn basic English. Here is a helper for you:

Hard disk/rust spinner = mechanical drive connected via SATA, previously IDE. Now gets up to about 170MB/s.

SSD = solid state drive connected via SATA, limited by SATA to about 550MB/s.

NVME = solid state drive connected directly to the motherboard using PCI express, gets up to 7000MB/s.

I prefer 7000 to 550.
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Message 107115 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 22:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 107112.  
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[quote]... SSDs suck, I use NVME.

You might benefit from a good google search on NVMe. It's not what you seem to think it is.
I know exactly what they are and have several, they're much faster. An SSD over SATA is far too slow, because of the SATA.

Are you from the Android forum?

Well, clearly you do not know, or you would not be suggesting that NVMe is some kind of storage device. It is not. NVMe is a host controller interface specification, the same as SATA. Thus, one might well imagine that some day, we might also see HDDs with a NVMe interface, just as we now have SSDs with a NVMe interface.
I'm not interested in your OCD. I know perfectly well how all disks work and have been in the business since 1997. Please learn basic English. Here is a helper for you:

Hard disk/rust spinner = mechanical drive connected via SATA, previously IDE. Now gets up to about 170MB/s.

SSD = solid state drive connected via SATA, limited by SATA to about 550MB/s.

NVME = solid state drive connected directly to the motherboard using PCI express, gets up to 7000MB/s.

I prefer 7000 to 550.

SSD just means solid state drive, there is nothing that says SSDs refers only to SSDs connected via a SATA interface. Both SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs are SSDs.

That being said, Rosetta has not historically required a second computer to validate WUs. The "Server status" page claims the validator to be running. Methinks something is up with the server.
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Message 107117 - Posted: 7 Oct 2022, 22:39:55 UTC - in response to Message 107115.  

SSD just means solid state drive, there is nothing that says SSDs refers only to SSDs connected via a SATA interface. Both SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs are SSDs.
A Ferrari is a car, but you wouldn't say "I own a car".

That being said, Rosetta has not historically required a second computer to validate WUs. The "Server status" page claims the validator to be running. Methinks something is up with the server.
Agreed. But they usually fix things quickly, at least we can pile up work for them over the weekend. Since they use SSDs and not rust spinners like some projects, it'll clear it in no time.
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Message 107121 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:27:30 UTC - in response to Message 107109.  

Any idea why completed work units are not being validated?
Sometimes it's because they are waiting for enough other copies to complete the quorum,

Sometimes it's because the validator program isn't running.
There are currently a very large number waiting for validation (a third of a million). Looking at my waiting ones, and my recently validated ones, they have "minimum quorum 1" which suggests they're self checking, or the server does so, so we're waiting on the server, not any other user. Something must have gone wrong at their end.

I thought I was in this thread when I just posted, so I thought no-one had picked it up yet.
Yes, there's no quorum required before validation. It would be a server issue, even though the Server Status page says they're all running.
Now up over 500k awaiting validation.
I've emailed to report it and hope someone gets to it before everyone runs off for the weekend.
The benefit of West Coast time differences...
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Message 107122 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:33:26 UTC - in response to Message 107121.  

I've emailed to report it and hope someone gets to it before everyone runs off for the weekend.
Who did you email? I didn't think there was anyone listening.
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Message 107123 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:38:27 UTC - in response to Message 107033.  

And are running successfully, fully and with no errors on Intel, AMD and Android as well, which can't be said for everything.
My 2 Androids (OS 7 and 11) are getting no tasks.

I was sure I had a few earlier in the week, but my host isn't showing recent completions so you may be right

Just to mention, I'm definitely getting some Android tasks among the current batch.
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Message 107124 - Posted: 8 Oct 2022, 1:40:15 UTC - in response to Message 107122.  

I've emailed to report it and hope someone gets to it before everyone runs off for the weekend.
Who did you email? I didn't think there was anyone listening.

Only in the last half hour. I'm not long back from work myself. Give them a chance.
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