For such a "large" organization with all this research and funding, you think they could do better.
Or this is a low end project and they do the majority of the research in house on a super computer.

I asked a question on the news thread about when they expect to become stable and that they are using http vs https that BOINC manager has.

You can get banned from that forum just for a slight suggestion they're useless. For example the sentence "Surely you've got it working by now, how long can it take?" would get you a warning. Maybe if they took the admin wanker that bans folk and put him to work on the networking things would be running by now.

It was all above the board. Nothing negative. Just inquiring.
Couple of other "senior crunchers" added their input.

It really is looking dim for BOINC type projects in health.
I checked on TI and they still have the same issues as about a year or 6 months ago.
So they can't generate work fast enough.

WCG has bugs up to wazoo so they are offline.
I think I am going to take that off the list of projects until they get things fixed, no reason to keep it.

QuChem I can't to work on my system for some reason.

Sidock I already run, thats one that keeps chugging along really good.

Here they just dump leftovers or stuff that is to dull for their fancy AI system.

GPU Grid looks like they got their bugs figured out and are sending out tasks again, but they are massive. 2.67GB and written in Python.

I do FAH and yeah these guys have their act together. Always work to be had. And interesting stuff as well.
Never read all the info on the task, but what bit I do read is interesting.

Texas whatever their name is just supercomputing and leftovers of leftovers from certain BOINC projects and its more dry than active.
Not even worth wasting the time to set up an account.

The rest of my projects are science related and Prime Grid to work my 1080 to its maximum potential.
Einstein when they do gravitational wave searches is nice, because LIGO is located close to where I grew up.

RAH I joined in the early days because it's the UW and I lived in Seattle at the time.

For now I see no need invest any more money in updating my hardware. I have my system tweaked out to grind fast enough to keep up with the work.
I used to be jealous of Xenon units and I was looking at a AMD threadripper, but didn't have enough money to get that.
But being this is a volunteer system, I do not see the need to waste more money on building a higher end system. And the way things are going on a lot of projects, it just reinforces that thought process.
So I will just stay where I am at for the next 5 or so years or until the projects consider my GPU's to be to outdated to be used anymore.

It was all above the board. Nothing negative. Just inquiring.
Couple of other "senior crunchers" added their input.

Doesn't matter, if you imply they're not working hard enough you're a naughty boy.

It really is looking dim for BOINC type projects in health.
I checked on TI and they still have the same issues as about a year or 6 months ago.

What is TI?

WCG has bugs up to wazoo so they are offline.
I think I am going to take that off the list of projects until they get things fixed, no reason to keep it.

I've got 90 CPU cores running it 24/7 and have done for the last week.

QuChem I can't to work on my system for some reason.

Is that a VB project? I find all VB projects work better if you use VB 5 instead of 6. Cosmology requires limiting to 6 cores per task in the app_config.xml or they stick. Rosetta needs an AVX capable CPU.

Sidock I already run, thats one that keeps chugging along really good.

Agreed. So you're not one of those oooh they're Russian let's boycott them people :-)

GPU Grid looks like they got their bugs figured out and are sending out tasks again, but they are massive. 2.67GB and written in Python.

I've got that left connected and it has never given me a ingle task. Is it still Nvidia GPU only? I have AMD GPU, Intel GPU, CPU, Android connected. All I can see on their server status is "Python apps for GPU hosts". Since it's a weird page and looks nothing like normal Boinc project pages, I can't find their applications page to see what they should be running on.

I do FAH and yeah these guys have their act together. Always work to be had. And interesting stuff as well.
Never read all the info on the task, but what bit I do read is interesting.

Agreed, although the scheduler is worse than Boinc and they get very angry when you ask them to fix something, once you get it working it's ok. It just has a habit of downloading things you didn't ask for and there's no ability to abort.

The rest of my projects are science related and Prime Grid to work my 1080 to its maximum potential.

I sometimes do that for fun, but I think Physics and Biology are more important than finding yet another trillion digit long prime number. That's not going to cure sick people and not going to find another planet to live on and not going to discover a new law of physics.

Einstein when they do gravitational wave searches is nice, because LIGO is located close to where I grew up.

Not sure what happened to that. They were in a hurry to finish gravity and had a supercomputer running it in it's spare time. There seems to be no sign of new work for it. There's two new gamma sources to analyze when the current ones finish, and a new way of analyzing radio waves which is in the process of being ported to GPU. Ask Bernd for more information here: https://einsteinathome.org/content/em-searches-brp-raidiopulsar-and-fgrp-gamma-ray-pulsar

For now I see no need invest any more money in updating my hardware. I have my system tweaked out to grind fast enough to keep up with the work.

I keep on adding more chips. I'm now consuming more than a UK outlet. Over 3.2kW, that wire was getting very hot.

I used to be jealous of Xenon units

You mean Xeon? I have two dual xeons. Old things, I got the CPUs for £7 each, times 4. 48 cores altogether. But the hassle of getting the server boards to work which won't boot without the correct riser boards and USB cables attached, and need weirdly wired power supplies.

and I was looking at a AMD threadripper, but didn't have enough money to get that.

Spend your money on GPUs, they do a lot more work for the price. I do that unless I run out of things to connect them to. A lot of them become quite fussy in their old age and won't co-exist with certain other GPUs. I have to shuffle things round a lot.

But being this is a volunteer system, I do not see the need to waste more money on building a higher end system. And the way things are going on a lot of projects, it just reinforces that thought process.

I'm wondering if the total Boinc throughput is dropping due to rising electricity costs. This seems to indicate I'm wrong: https://www.boincstats.com/stats/61/project/detail/credit - look at the graph that goes back several years. It doesn't look like there's a load of people turning their machines off.

Uh oh. In 2038 Boinc will cease to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Gpugrid applications page
https://www.gpugrid.net/apps.php
Because Windows doesn't like ram overcommiting ram will need to increase pagefile to run python environment.

Gpugrid applications page
https://www.gpugrid.net/apps.php
Because Windows doesn't like ram overcommiting ram will need to increase pagefile.

Ugh, no AMD GPUs. But I haven't been getting any CPU work. And my machines have 64GB, 48GB, 48GB, 40GB, 8GB, 8GB, 8GB RAM. I see no need for a pagefile, which is on auto in the OS anyway.

I think gpugrid only uses nvidia gpus,
but i don't have amd gpu to test it.

Uh oh. In 2038 Boinc will cease to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Only for projects and computers that use versions of Linux that store the time in 32-bit integers. Newer versions that store the time in 64-bit integers won't have this problem.

I think gpugrid only uses nvidia gpus,
but i don't have amd gpu to test it.

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.

I thought this new python stuff they had was meant to be for CPU and AMD GPU?

Only for projects and computers that use versions of Linux that store the time in 32-bit integers. Newer versions that store the time in 64-bit integers won't have this problem.

The main Boinc server their forum runs on has that date limitation. I know because I just got one of my accounts banned until precisely that date and time :-) Knowing Boinc they'll leave it until a month after then to fix it, just like when they screwed up with the security certificate expiries.

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.

I thought this new python stuff they had was meant to be for CPU and AMD GPU?

Many GPU BOINC projects now use OpenCL instead of CUDA. OpenCL will run on Nvidia GPUs, AMD GPUs, the GPUs built into some Intel CPUs, and maybe a few more types I haven't read about.

Python is for the CPU portions of the tasks only, and does not affect which GPUs will run the GPU portions of the tasks.

You may need to install a rather new version of VirtualBox to get the vbox64-mt that some of the projects using Python require.

Many GPU BOINC projects now use OpenCL instead of CUDA.

I thought it tended to be aswell as, since Cuda is more efficient.

OpenCL will run on Nvidia GPUs, AMD GPUs, the GPUs built into some Intel CPUs, and maybe a few more types I haven't read about.

Doesn't it also run on CPUs? Look at the start of your Boinc event log, it says OpenCL against the CPU.

Python is for the CPU portions of the tasks only, and does not affect which GPUs will run the GPU portions of the tasks.

You may need to install a rather new version of VirtualBox to get the vbox64-mt that some of the projects using Python require.

I need version 5, not 6, or it screws up some projects, like Cosmology. Anyway, I have no Nvidias.

It was all above the board. Nothing negative. Just inquiring.
Couple of other "senior crunchers" added their input.

Doesn't matter, if you imply they're not working hard enough you're a naughty boy.

**Then they have self esteem issues and need to go see the mental health department**

It really is looking dim for BOINC type projects in health.
I checked on TI and they still have the same issues as about a year or 6 months ago.

What is TI?

***Hmmmm...it's midnight so I don't know what I was typing a hour ago. Not important I guess**

WCG has bugs up to wazoo so they are offline.
I think I am going to take that off the list of projects until they get things fixed, no reason to keep it.

I've got 90 CPU cores running it 24/7 and have done for the last week.

**I don't know, unless they black listed my system....I got a few tasks from them a week or more ago and since then I don't get squat. I'll just wait until they figure things out, it not like I don't have other options***

QuChem I can't to work on my system for some reason.

Is that a VB project? I find all VB projects work better if you use VB 5 instead of 6. Cosmology requires limiting to 6 cores per task in the app_config.xml or they stick. Rosetta needs an AVX capable CPU.

**I tried VB5 with QuChem. Still wouldn't run and then I get messages from other projects that you need 6. So screw it. **

Sidock I already run, thats one that keeps chugging along really good.

Agreed. So you're not one of those oooh they're Russian let's boycott them people :-)
***Country of origin for science has nothing to do with politics. I don't care these guys are Russian. If they are doing something good, great. If their leader isn't well that's politics. It just another power grabbing old man running the country into the ground.***

GPU Grid looks like they got their bugs figured out and are sending out tasks again, but they are massive. 2.67GB and written in Python.

I've got that left connected and it has never given me a ingle task. Is it still Nvidia GPU only? I have AMD GPU, Intel GPU, CPU, Android connected. All I can see on their server status is "Python apps for GPU hosts". Since it's a weird page and looks nothing like normal Boinc project pages, I can't find their applications page to see what they should be running on.



Minimum requirements

GPU: A recent NVIDIA GPU
A recent Nvidia driver
CPU: At least one core
RAM: 4GB (2GB for Vista, W7, Ubuntu)
HDD: 10GB free space, no more than 80% used (very important under windows)

Supported OS

Linux 64-bit
Windows 64-bit

https://www.gpugrid.net/join.php

I do FAH and yeah these guys have their act together. Always work to be had. And interesting stuff as well.
Never read all the info on the task, but what bit I do read is interesting.

Agreed, although the scheduler is worse than Boinc and they get very angry when you ask them to fix something, once you get it working it's ok. It just has a habit of downloading things you didn't ask for and there's no ability to abort.

The rest of my projects are science related and Prime Grid to work my 1080 to its maximum potential.

I sometimes do that for fun, but I think Physics and Biology are more important than finding yet another trillion digit long prime number. That's not going to cure sick people and not going to find another planet to live on and not going to discover a new law of physics.

**But GPU's are not used that much in medical with exception of GPU grid and FAH. So in order to run something different I run math. If GPU was easier to use for project data, more projects would be using them [with the exception of this one that wants to keep only to CPU].

Einstein when they do gravitational wave searches is nice, because LIGO is located close to where I grew up.

Not sure what happened to that. They were in a hurry to finish gravity and had a supercomputer running it in it's spare time. There seems to be no sign of new work for it. There's two new gamma sources to analyze when the current ones finish, and a new way of analyzing radio waves which is in the process of being ported to GPU. Ask Bernd for more information here: https://einsteinathome.org/content/em-searches-brp-raidiopulsar-and-fgrp-gamma-ray-pulsar (Look tomorrow when I have time)

For now I see no need invest any more money in updating my hardware. I have my system tweaked out to grind fast enough to keep up with the work.

I keep on adding more chips. I'm now consuming more than a UK outlet.

***Over 3.2kW, that wire was getting very hot. 3.2kw and your wires are getting hot? Your going to burn up your house if you keep that up. If your that crazy, then you should get some proper heavy gauge wire installed or a separate 3phase line with its own distribution box. If you burning up your connection to the wall, that's really dangerous. And with the power rates here in BE, I can't afford to be burning that much power. It's already to the point where we pay them money at the end of the year after the average monthly payments. And that is running this thing16 hours a day plus normal household use.**

I used to be jealous of Xenon units

You mean Xeon? I have two dual xeons. Old things, I got the CPUs for £7 each, times 4. 48 cores altogether. But the hassle of getting the server boards to work which won't boot without the correct riser boards and USB cables attached, and need weirdly wired power supplies.

and I was looking at a AMD threadripper, but didn't have enough money to get that.

Spend your money on GPUs, they do a lot more work for the price. I do that unless I run out of things to connect them to. A lot of them become quite fussy in their old age and won't co-exist with certain other GPUs. I have to shuffle things round a lot.

But being this is a volunteer system, I do not see the need to waste more money on building a higher end system. And the way things are going on a lot of projects, it just reinforces that thought process.

I'm wondering if the total Boinc throughput is dropping due to rising electricity costs. This seems to indicate I'm wrong: https://www.boincstats.com/stats/61/project/detail/credit - look at the graph that goes back several years. It doesn't look like there's a load of people turning their machines off.

BOINC doesn't offer anything new on its page and several projects are outdated or dead.
Then there is stuff that isn't even on their page that is out there.
So if they don't update their info, then the stats won't show where people are going.
16hrs is enough for me. I ran 2 older systems into the ground with 24/7 running.
But again, electricity costs are to much.

**I don't know, unless they black listed my system....I got a few tasks from them a week or more ago and since then I don't get squat. I'll just wait until they figure things out, it not like I don't have other options***

I engaged a 5 minute tickle, that might have something to do with it. They let you talk to the server every 2 minutes, so I got Boinc to check for new work every 5 minutes.

**I tried VB5 with QuChem. Still wouldn't run and then I get messages from other projects that you need 6. So screw it. **

I've never had a project require 6, which ones?

***Country of origin for science has nothing to do with politics. I don't care these guys are Russian. If they are doing something good, great.

Indeed. I started an argument about that on their forum when a few people said they were boycotting it, and for once I wasn't banned. The admins just deleted all the posts to do with politics. They seem to be getting through a lot of work, so I think the boycotters were a small minority.

If their leader isn't well that's politics. It just another power grabbing old man running the country into the ground.***

He's actually doing a very good job of running every other country into the ground. Either we buy his gas and give him military money, or we don't buy his gas and our prices go through the roof.

Minimum requirements

GPU: A recent NVIDIA GPU
A recent Nvidia driver
CPU: At least one core
RAM: 4GB (2GB for Vista, W7, Ubuntu)
HDD: 10GB free space, no more than 80% used (very important under windows)

Supported OS

Linux 64-bit
Windows 64-bit

https://www.gpugrid.net/join.php

But there was something I heard recently about them producing CPU and AMD GPU work.

**But GPU's are not used that much in medical with exception of GPU grid and FAH. So in order to run something different I run math. If GPU was easier to use for project data, more projects would be using them [with the exception of this one that wants to keep only to CPU].

Without Folding, I use Milkyway and Einstein. They seem much more useful than raw maths.

***Over 3.2kW, that wire was getting very hot. 3.2kw and your wires are getting hot? Your going to burn up your house if you keep that up.

Nah, just the extension cord all the computers (on a bookshelf) were running through. I added a second 25A 240V feed with two 13A outlets.

If your that crazy, then you should get some proper heavy gauge wire installed or a separate 3phase line with its own distribution box.

The main incoming to the house is 100A 240V. Plentiful. I'm not going over about a third of that for the whole house consumption, including computers, AC/heating, lights, domestic appliances. There are fuses and breakers where applicable anyway. There weren't when I moved in, a 100A main fuse protecting an 80A meter and a 60A fusebox, WTF? Got three fuseboxes now. Two in the house and one in the garage.

If you burning up your connection to the wall, that's really dangerous.

I trust my finger. If a cable goes over body temperature, I upgrade it. If a heatsink on a CPU/GPU is too hot to keep my finger on, I use a bigger fan or better transfer compound etc.

And with the power rates here in BE, I can't afford to be burning that much power. It's already to the point where we pay them money at the end of the year after the average monthly payments. And that is running this thing16 hours a day plus normal household use.**

I just got £820 back from my electric company as they took it without asking. My bank got a little bit annoyed when I told them.

BOINC doesn't offer anything new on its page and several projects are outdated or dead.
Then there is stuff that isn't even on their page that is out there.
So if they don't update their info, then the stats won't show where people are going.

A lot of projects don't report to Boinc they exist. Sometimes because they don't want lots of people on a small server. Wikipedia has a page with everything listed, Boinc or not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects

16hrs is enough for me. I ran 2 older systems into the ground with 24/7 running.

I like running stuff into the ground. Get every last breath out of them. Just sold a couple of GPUs on Ebay that were completely fucked, people seem to be able to fix things I cannot. Nobody seems to want the one I blew a transistor clean off the board though.

But again, electricity costs are to much.

Get some solar panels.

I have attached everything that was on boincstats. And set all projects that i don't want to crunch to no new tasks

I have attached everything that was on boincstats. And set all projects that i don't want to crunch to no new tasks

They don't have everything. Private GFN server (an offshoot of Primegrid) for example wasn't on there until I requested it: http://boincvm.proxyma.ru:30080/test4vm/ but I can't find the bloody invitation code (I'm already joined, but I can't post it here as I can't find it now and didn't note it down).

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[quote]***Country of origin for science has nothing to do with politics. I don't care these guys are Russian. If they are doing something good, great.

Indeed. I started an argument about that on their forum when a few people said they were boycotting it, and for once I wasn't banned. The admins just deleted all the posts to do with politics. They seem to be getting through a lot of work, so I think the boycotters were a small minority.

SiDock in in Slovenia, not Russia. Slovenia used to be part of the Soviet Union, before it broke up.

https://www.gpugrid.net/join.php

But there was something I heard recently about them producing CPU and AMD GPU work.

They tried producing OpenCL work that could run on AMD GPUs, Then they decided that such work would run too slowly to be worthwhile, and stopped generating any more.

Some CPUs from Intel can also do OpenCL work. But, few BOINC projects mention whether their OpenCL work will run on those CPUs.

They have generated some CPU work, using programs that don't use GPUs. It seems to be unavailable for any computers that have ever run some of their GPU work, though.

But again, electricity costs are to much.

Get some solar panels.

If you want your computers to run only during daylight, and only if the clouds aren't too heavy.

I think invitation code is PrimeGrid

I have attached everything that was on boincstats. And set all projects that i don't want to crunch to no new tasks

They don't have everything. Private GFN server (an offshoot of Primegrid) for example wasn't on there until I requested it: http://boincvm.proxyma.ru:30080/test4vm/ but I can't find the bloody invitation code (I'm already joined, but I can't post it here as I can't find it now and didn't note it down).

The projects I've seen that use invitation codes put it on their home pages, but only left it there until they thought they had about as many users as their servers could handle.