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Message 106577 - Posted: 19 Jul 2022, 23:58:29 UTC - in response to Message 106576.  

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I'm getting work every other day en masse and a trickle inbetween, but then I'm pestering the server with all 10 machines every 5 minutes. Fuck them. If they can't produce the work, I'm gonna keep asking for it.

What if they start giving priority for getting work to machines that have gone the longest since their last request?
They couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery, there's little chance of that. Anyway it's very easy to create a new account.
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Message 106581 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 6:25:05 UTC
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For such a "large" organization with all this research and funding, you think they could do better.
Or this is a low end project and they do the majority of the research in house on a super computer.

I asked a question on the news thread about when they expect to become stable and that they are using http vs https that BOINC manager has.
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Message 106582 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 13:39:37 UTC - in response to Message 106581.  

For such a "large" organization with all this research and funding, you think they could do better.
Or this is a low end project and they do the majority of the research in house on a super computer.

I asked a question on the news thread about when they expect to become stable and that they are using http vs https that BOINC manager has.
You can get banned from that forum just for a slight suggestion they're useless. For example the sentence "Surely you've got it working by now, how long can it take?" would get you a warning. Maybe if they took the admin wanker that bans folk and put him to work on the networking things would be running by now.
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Message 106583 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 13:39:51 UTC - in response to Message 106581.  

I asked a question on the news thread about when they expect to become stable and that they are using http vs https that BOINC manager has.


Probably by the end of summer, when they run out of work.
Total queued jobs: 348,805

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Message 106584 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 13:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 106583.  

Total queued jobs: 348,805
Where did you get that info from? There is no server status page.
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Message 106585 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 13:51:17 UTC - in response to Message 106584.  

It is on the home page.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
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Message 106586 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 14:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 106585.  

It is on the home page.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
We were discussing World Community Grid.
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Message 106587 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 14:51:31 UTC - in response to Message 106586.  

Sorry, I am sure WCG does not have a server status page.
It has been requested for years.

It has something to do with the software that IBM originally used. It is not the standard BOINC stuff.
They would have to convert over, which I think they are in no mood for at the moment.
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Message 106588 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 18:09:53 UTC - in response to Message 106582.  

For such a "large" organization with all this research and funding, you think they could do better.
Or this is a low end project and they do the majority of the research in house on a super computer.

I asked a question on the news thread about when they expect to become stable and that they are using http vs https that BOINC manager has.
You can get banned from that forum just for a slight suggestion they're useless. For example the sentence "Surely you've got it working by now, how long can it take?" would get you a warning. Maybe if they took the admin wanker that bans folk and put him to work on the networking things would be running by now.



It was all above the board. Nothing negative. Just inquiring.
Couple of other "senior crunchers" added their input.
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Message 106589 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 18:39:09 UTC

It really is looking dim for BOINC type projects in health.
I checked on TI and they still have the same issues as about a year or 6 months ago.
So they can't generate work fast enough.

WCG has bugs up to wazoo so they are offline.
I think I am going to take that off the list of projects until they get things fixed, no reason to keep it.

QuChem I can't to work on my system for some reason.

Sidock I already run, thats one that keeps chugging along really good.

Here they just dump leftovers or stuff that is to dull for their fancy AI system.

GPU Grid looks like they got their bugs figured out and are sending out tasks again, but they are massive. 2.67GB and written in Python.

I do FAH and yeah these guys have their act together. Always work to be had. And interesting stuff as well.
Never read all the info on the task, but what bit I do read is interesting.

Texas whatever their name is just supercomputing and leftovers of leftovers from certain BOINC projects and its more dry than active.
Not even worth wasting the time to set up an account.

The rest of my projects are science related and Prime Grid to work my 1080 to its maximum potential.
Einstein when they do gravitational wave searches is nice, because LIGO is located close to where I grew up.

RAH I joined in the early days because it's the UW and I lived in Seattle at the time.

For now I see no need invest any more money in updating my hardware. I have my system tweaked out to grind fast enough to keep up with the work.
I used to be jealous of Xenon units and I was looking at a AMD threadripper, but didn't have enough money to get that.
But being this is a volunteer system, I do not see the need to waste more money on building a higher end system. And the way things are going on a lot of projects, it just reinforces that thought process.
So I will just stay where I am at for the next 5 or so years or until the projects consider my GPU's to be to outdated to be used anymore.
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Message 106590 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 19:45:17 UTC - in response to Message 106589.  

It was all above the board. Nothing negative. Just inquiring.
Couple of other "senior crunchers" added their input.
Doesn't matter, if you imply they're not working hard enough you're a naughty boy.

It really is looking dim for BOINC type projects in health.
I checked on TI and they still have the same issues as about a year or 6 months ago.
What is TI?

WCG has bugs up to wazoo so they are offline.
I think I am going to take that off the list of projects until they get things fixed, no reason to keep it.
I've got 90 CPU cores running it 24/7 and have done for the last week.

QuChem I can't to work on my system for some reason.
Is that a VB project? I find all VB projects work better if you use VB 5 instead of 6. Cosmology requires limiting to 6 cores per task in the app_config.xml or they stick. Rosetta needs an AVX capable CPU.

Sidock I already run, thats one that keeps chugging along really good.
Agreed. So you're not one of those oooh they're Russian let's boycott them people :-)

GPU Grid looks like they got their bugs figured out and are sending out tasks again, but they are massive. 2.67GB and written in Python.
I've got that left connected and it has never given me a ingle task. Is it still Nvidia GPU only? I have AMD GPU, Intel GPU, CPU, Android connected. All I can see on their server status is "Python apps for GPU hosts". Since it's a weird page and looks nothing like normal Boinc project pages, I can't find their applications page to see what they should be running on.

I do FAH and yeah these guys have their act together. Always work to be had. And interesting stuff as well.
Never read all the info on the task, but what bit I do read is interesting.
Agreed, although the scheduler is worse than Boinc and they get very angry when you ask them to fix something, once you get it working it's ok. It just has a habit of downloading things you didn't ask for and there's no ability to abort.

The rest of my projects are science related and Prime Grid to work my 1080 to its maximum potential.
I sometimes do that for fun, but I think Physics and Biology are more important than finding yet another trillion digit long prime number. That's not going to cure sick people and not going to find another planet to live on and not going to discover a new law of physics.

Einstein when they do gravitational wave searches is nice, because LIGO is located close to where I grew up.
Not sure what happened to that. They were in a hurry to finish gravity and had a supercomputer running it in it's spare time. There seems to be no sign of new work for it. There's two new gamma sources to analyze when the current ones finish, and a new way of analyzing radio waves which is in the process of being ported to GPU. Ask Bernd for more information here: https://einsteinathome.org/content/em-searches-brp-raidiopulsar-and-fgrp-gamma-ray-pulsar

For now I see no need invest any more money in updating my hardware. I have my system tweaked out to grind fast enough to keep up with the work.
I keep on adding more chips. I'm now consuming more than a UK outlet. Over 3.2kW, that wire was getting very hot.

I used to be jealous of Xenon units
You mean Xeon? I have two dual xeons. Old things, I got the CPUs for £7 each, times 4. 48 cores altogether. But the hassle of getting the server boards to work which won't boot without the correct riser boards and USB cables attached, and need weirdly wired power supplies.

and I was looking at a AMD threadripper, but didn't have enough money to get that.
Spend your money on GPUs, they do a lot more work for the price. I do that unless I run out of things to connect them to. A lot of them become quite fussy in their old age and won't co-exist with certain other GPUs. I have to shuffle things round a lot.

But being this is a volunteer system, I do not see the need to waste more money on building a higher end system. And the way things are going on a lot of projects, it just reinforces that thought process.
I'm wondering if the total Boinc throughput is dropping due to rising electricity costs. This seems to indicate I'm wrong: https://www.boincstats.com/stats/61/project/detail/credit - look at the graph that goes back several years. It doesn't look like there's a load of people turning their machines off.
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Message 106591 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 20:45:46 UTC

Uh oh. In 2038 Boinc will cease to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
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Message 106592 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 20:48:35 UTC - in response to Message 106590.  
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Gpugrid applications page
https://www.gpugrid.net/apps.php
Because Windows doesn't like ram overcommiting ram will need to increase pagefile to run python environment.
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Message 106593 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 20:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 106592.  

Gpugrid applications page
https://www.gpugrid.net/apps.php
Because Windows doesn't like ram overcommiting ram will need to increase pagefile.
Ugh, no AMD GPUs. But I haven't been getting any CPU work. And my machines have 64GB, 48GB, 48GB, 40GB, 8GB, 8GB, 8GB RAM. I see no need for a pagefile, which is on auto in the OS anyway.
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Message 106594 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 20:57:17 UTC - in response to Message 106593.  

I think gpugrid only uses nvidia gpus,
but i don't have amd gpu to test it.
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Message 106595 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 21:36:51 UTC - in response to Message 106591.  

Uh oh. In 2038 Boinc will cease to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Only for projects and computers that use versions of Linux that store the time in 32-bit integers. Newer versions that store the time in 64-bit integers won't have this problem.
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Message 106596 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 21:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 106594.  

I think gpugrid only uses nvidia gpus,
but i don't have amd gpu to test it.

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.
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Message 106597 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 21:42:16 UTC - in response to Message 106596.  

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.
I thought this new python stuff they had was meant to be for CPU and AMD GPU?
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Message 106598 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 21:43:36 UTC - in response to Message 106595.  
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Only for projects and computers that use versions of Linux that store the time in 32-bit integers. Newer versions that store the time in 64-bit integers won't have this problem.
The main Boinc server their forum runs on has that date limitation. I know because I just got one of my accounts banned until precisely that date and time :-) Knowing Boinc they'll leave it until a month after then to fix it, just like when they screwed up with the security certificate expiries.
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Message 106599 - Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 21:55:08 UTC - in response to Message 106597.  

They do. They use programs partially written in CUDA, which will run only on Nvidia GPUs.

They have had some CPU work, but there is none available there currently.
I thought this new python stuff they had was meant to be for CPU and AMD GPU?

Many GPU BOINC projects now use OpenCL instead of CUDA. OpenCL will run on Nvidia GPUs, AMD GPUs, the GPUs built into some Intel CPUs, and maybe a few more types I haven't read about.

Python is for the CPU portions of the tasks only, and does not affect which GPUs will run the GPU portions of the tasks.

You may need to install a rather new version of VirtualBox to get the vbox64-mt that some of the projects using Python require.
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