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Message 105829 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 19:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 105827.  

He gave you the wrong information

You do not have the program installed.
go here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
There are links on this page for linux and for windows.
First install virtual box and after that is done then install the extension packs.
Once that is done then go to the link that sends you to your your profile page and then click on your computer and then the details button and at the bottom of the page is a button with this text next to it: VirtualBox VM jobs
Click on that button so that it shows Skip. Then you can download pythons after you send a update request to RAH.


Thank you for pointing out that the information was incorrect.

As far as installing Virtual Box, I do not want to. I willingly give up the ability to do Python jobs.
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Message 105830 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 19:41:22 UTC - in response to Message 105828.  

You do not have to press "Application details Show"
You have to scroll down and press skip.
https://imgur.com/a/QcsWcgH
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Message 105831 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 21:28:30 UTC - in response to Message 105830.  

You do not have to press "Application details Show"
You have to scroll down and press skip.
https://imgur.com/a/QcsWcgH


There is no skip.

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Message 105832 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 21:39:45 UTC - in response to Message 105831.  

There is no skip.

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Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.
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Message 105833 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 22:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 105829.  

Thank you for pointing out that the information was incorrect.

As far as installing Virtual Box, I do not want to. I willingly give up the ability to do Python jobs.[/quote]
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ok..then make sure you disable your settings for virtual box work.
Then you are limited to the sporadic 4.2 work as it comes.
You will get a few days work every week or so.
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Message 105837 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 15:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 105832.  

Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.

I can confirm that if virtual pox is not installed you don't get `allowed` to `skip` your buttons .
the event log messyouaboutages just keep telling you that your system is not infected with it .
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Message 105839 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 18:06:32 UTC - in response to Message 105837.  

Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.

I can confirm that if virtual pox is not installed you don't get `allowed` to `skip` your buttons .
the event log messyouaboutages just keep telling you that your system is not infected with it .



Infected? just because your system doesn't run it or you don't want to use it, does not mean it infects a system.

People don't know it won't run on their system, because the project fails to mention what the minimum requirements are to use it. What the minimum processor is, minimum memory needed depending on how many cores you give to the project, which appears to be an all or nothing option as you can not say how many cores it can use in your account preferences and if you try a script then that causes problems as well.

There are a lot of things this project could do better, but as it has been said many many times, they don't care as long as they get enough results back to get the data they need.

Outside of this project, VB works just fine on LHC ATLAS and 4 other projects that I know are full time.
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Message 105840 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 18:53:18 UTC

Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?
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Message 105842 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 20:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 105839.  

Outside of this project, VB works just fine on LHC ATLAS and 4 other projects that I know are full time.
Cosmology and the now closed Kryptos only work properly in VB 5. VB 6 hasn't been taken up well by project programmers.
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Message 105843 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 20:31:19 UTC - in response to Message 105840.  
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Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?
Rosetta always used to have 8 hour tasks more or less exactly (within 10 minutes), they ran for that time and gave back whatever data you'd calculated. But the newer ones seem to be more like other projects, shorter time on faster processors.

Not sure what an Intel I5-11 is, do you mean 11th generation? In which case that should be fast. You should not be getting 30 hours. Check to see if your CPU is actually heavily in use using Windows task manager. I fixed a lot of mine by changing a setting in my antivirus. If you have AVG or Avast (and probably others) you need to find the setting to not check virtual machines.
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Message 105844 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:22:58 UTC - in response to Message 105843.  
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Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?

Rosetta always used to have 8 hour tasks more or less exactly (within 10 minutes), they ran for that time and gave back whatever data you'd calculated. But the newer ones seem to be more like other projects, shorter time on faster processors.

Not sure what an Intel I5-11 is, do you mean 11th generation? In which case that should be fast. You should not be getting 30 hours. Check to see if your CPU is actually heavily in use using Windows task manager. I fixed a lot of mine by changing a setting in my antivirus. If you have AVG or Avast (and probably others) you need to find the setting to not check virtual machines.


Yes. Intel 11th Gen. I'm using Bitdefender (which just released a new version). It's odd to me that some tasks take only a few hrs vs the +30 hr tasks, which suggests to me that Bitdefender is not a factor (but maybe I'm wrong). More likely that it the tasks (the ones that start with "aaam" seem to be the "problem" tasks that take so long.[/quote]
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Message 105845 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:28:22 UTC - in response to Message 105844.  
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Yes. Intel 11th Gen. I'm using Bitdefender (which just released a new version). It's odd to me that some tasks take only a few hrs vs the +30 hr tasks, which suggests to me that Bitdefender is not a factor (but maybe I'm wrong). More likely that it the tasks (the ones that start with "aaam" seem to be the "problem" tasks that take so long.
Not sure what's going on there. My machines have always either completed every single one, or none at all. What proportion of yours are failing? I'll grab a big bunch of them and try it out here on 5 of my 7 varied machines (they're doing folding at home at the moment but most of them aren't near deadlines).
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Message 105846 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 105845.  

From what i could understand his tasks do not fail, but some run for 30 hours before completing.
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Message 105847 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 22:00:22 UTC - in response to Message 105844.  

What is your CPU to Run time difference?
Have you gone through your stderr file to see if anything abnormal showed up there?
An idea what percentage of the core that task is using?
30 hours is absurd. If it doesn't finish in 8 CPU time, then it stuck somehow.
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Message 105848 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 22:07:36 UTC

Update, I made a mistake.

I actually only have 2 machines (of 7) that can run Rosetta Python. VB 5 makes Cosmology work. Antivirus settings make LHC work. But Rosetta needs a CPU with AVX (or maybe FMA) instructions, and 5 of mine are too old.

So I got 3 aaam tasks, one on an i5-8600K which works ok. Two on a Ryzen 9 3900XT, which both work ok.
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Message 105849 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 22:08:47 UTC - in response to Message 105846.  

From what i could understand his tasks do not fail, but some run for 30 hours before completing.
That is a fail. If they run 30 hours, it means no calculations are actually being done. I assume something times out.
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Message 105850 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 22:40:44 UTC
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Boinctasks is helpful to show any tasks where the CPU usage had dropped to near 0. I find this happens on some machines more than others but I'm not sure why. Windows seems more problematic than Linux.

Typically, I find that VirtualBox tasks that have run for more than 10hrs are broken and need aborting. Unfortunately, that often also triggers the project to stop you getting more VB tasks until you click the Allow button again.
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Message 105853 - Posted: 6 Apr 2022, 9:30:09 UTC - in response to Message 105840.  
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Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?


It can take some days for Boinc to get used to your system and how quickly it runs. To help it do so make sure you run the benchmarks.

Having said that, Rosetta is different to other projects in that it has fixed length jobs rather than jobs with a fixed amount of work. There are two things that can interfere with that, firstly if the task has a low number of starting points you might run for a shorter time than selected, often 3 hours rather than 8, and secondly if the task takes more than the selected time to run the first iteration of the work as it only checks whether to finish at the end of each iteration.

Ach! I forgot Python and it’s failings - yes, this is likely to be vb going to sleep and only pretending to work.
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Message 105854 - Posted: 6 Apr 2022, 12:53:02 UTC

My last two tasks took 3 hours and 8 minutes and 3 hours and 22 minutes on my Windows 11 Intel i5 and Virtual Box 6.1.32.RAM is 12 GB.
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Message 105855 - Posted: 6 Apr 2022, 12:58:49 UTC - in response to Message 105854.  
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I have got connection reset errors several times while sending reply.
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