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Message 105822 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 19:13:24 UTC - in response to Message 105815.  

If any of you use gmail, try this:

Send a read receipt with an email""
Read receipt is useless bullshit. I so pissed off every single person at my work. I set my work email to forward all emails to my home account then delete them from my work account. I therefore could read my home and work email with one account which was much easier for me. But.... everyone got a return from my work account saying "Peter has deleted your email without opening it". It was hilarious. Nobody is obliged to give the read receipt back, it's crap that relies on everyone in an organisation being set up the same, it doesn't work in the big wide internet.
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Message 105823 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 19:15:42 UTC - in response to Message 105816.  

Aren't international calls fifty billion dollars a minute? I tried to phone the UK from France once in a callbox and could hardly keep up putting coins in fast enough. You'd think once the internet was invented, an international call would cost bugger all. Why don't the phone companies just use the internet to link countries?
Money....if they did that, they wouldn't make enough money off you.
Rubbish, virtually nobody makes a lot of those calls, they set up some kind of Skype thing if they need to do it regularly. I pay £6 (about $7.50) a month for unlimited calls and texts to anywhere in the UK, I just don't phone people abroad, I email them. If I felt the need to talk or video chat with them, I'd use Skype.
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Message 105824 - Posted: 3 Apr 2022, 19:17:20 UTC - in response to Message 105817.  

And in about ten billion years time the sun will run out of fuel , explode and cook this little ball of rock so I insist on having some fun while I am on it ,
Which means we must do astrophysics Boinc to find more planets to inhabit, and subatomic particle physics Boinc to find out ways to propel ships fast, go over the speed of light, and make wormholes.

I've read that someone used Einstein's equations to predict a way to make wormholes. It need an ENORMOUS amount of matter with negative mass - minus 1 times the total mass of many galaxies.

Start looking for subatomic particle with negative mass.
Still theoretical. The made a mini magnetic worm hole a long time ago.
https://scitechdaily.com/not-science-fiction-german-physicists-say-traversable-wormholes-possible/
At one point we thought the human body would fall apart above 40 mph, until the motor car didn't kill everybody. Everything is theoretical until we work out how to do it. Things which are "impossible" are only impossible with our current understanding of physics.
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Message 105825 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 2:17:01 UTC - in response to Message 105680.  

Be sure to take that setting off your profile so the project does not try to send you pythons.


The project does not send me pythons, but it complains every time my boinc client asks for rosetta work that, e.g.,

Sun 03 Apr 2022 08:57:21 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed

I do not see where the setting would be on my profile. Where is it?
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Message 105826 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 2:18:41 UTC - in response to Message 105825.  

Be sure to take that setting off your profile so the project does not try to send you pythons.


The project does not send me pythons, but it complains every time my boinc client asks for rosetta work that, e.g.,

Sun 03 Apr 2022 08:57:21 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed

I do not see where the setting would be on my profile. Where is it?

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php Click details against your computer, then at the bottom you can turn it on and off.
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Message 105827 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 18:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 105825.  

Be sure to take that setting off your profile so the project does not try to send you pythons.


The project does not send me pythons, but it complains every time my boinc client asks for rosetta work that, e.g.,

Sun 03 Apr 2022 08:57:21 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed

I do not see where the setting would be on my profile. Where is it?



He gave you the wrong information
You do not have the program installed.
go here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
There are links on this page for linux and for windows.
First install virtual box and after that is done then install the extension packs.
Once that is done then go to the link that sends you to your your profile page and then click on your computer and then the details button and at the bottom of the page is a button with this text next to it: VirtualBox VM jobs
Click on that button so that it shows Skip. Then you can download pythons after you send a update request to RAH.
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Message 105828 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 19:31:17 UTC - in response to Message 105826.  

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php Click details against your computer, then at the bottom you can turn it on and off.


All I get is this:

Application details for host 5910575
Rosetta 4.20 x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Number of tasks completed 	2851
Max tasks per day              	754
Number of tasks today       	0
Consecutive valid tasks      	260
Average processing rate    	2.78 GFLOPS
Average turnaround time  	1.02 days

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Message 105829 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 19:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 105827.  

He gave you the wrong information

You do not have the program installed.
go here: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
There are links on this page for linux and for windows.
First install virtual box and after that is done then install the extension packs.
Once that is done then go to the link that sends you to your your profile page and then click on your computer and then the details button and at the bottom of the page is a button with this text next to it: VirtualBox VM jobs
Click on that button so that it shows Skip. Then you can download pythons after you send a update request to RAH.


Thank you for pointing out that the information was incorrect.

As far as installing Virtual Box, I do not want to. I willingly give up the ability to do Python jobs.
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Message 105830 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 19:41:22 UTC - in response to Message 105828.  

You do not have to press "Application details Show"
You have to scroll down and press skip.
https://imgur.com/a/QcsWcgH
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Message 105831 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 21:28:30 UTC - in response to Message 105830.  

You do not have to press "Application details Show"
You have to scroll down and press skip.
https://imgur.com/a/QcsWcgH


There is no skip.

[code]Computer 5910575
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IP address Show IP address
Domain name localhost.localdomain
Local Standard Time UTC -4 hours
Created 14 Nov 2020, 17:25:40 UTC
Total credit 1,255,892
Average credit 7,258.57
Cross project credit BOINCstats.com Free-DC
CPU type GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-2245 CPU @ 3.90GHz [Family 6 Model 85 Stepping 7]
Number of processors 16
Coprocessors ---
Operating System Linux Red Hat Enterprise Linux
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.5 (Ootpa) [4.18.0-348.20.1.el8_5.x86_64|libc 2.28 (GNU libc)]
BOINC version 7.16.11
Memory 63902.14 MB
Cache 16896 KB
Swap space 15992 MB
Total disk space 488.04 GB
Free Disk Space 482.44 GB
Measured floating point speed 6580.65 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 31846.99 million ops/sec
Average upload rate 406.17 KB/sec
Average download rate 23155.98 KB/sec
Average turnaround time 1.45 days
Application details Show
Tasks 32
Number of times client has contacted server 4753
Last time contacted server 4 Apr 2022, 17:02:26 UTC
Fraction of time BOINC is running 99.96%
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed 100.00%
While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed 100.00%
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Message 105832 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 21:39:45 UTC - in response to Message 105831.  

There is no skip.

[code]Computer 5910575
Computer information
IP address Show IP address
Domain name localhost.localdomain
Local Standard Time UTC -4 hours
Created 14 Nov 2020, 17:25:40 UTC
Total credit 1,255,892
Average credit 7,258.57
Cross project credit BOINCstats.com Free-DC
CPU type GenuineIntel
Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-2245 CPU @ 3.90GHz [Family 6 Model 85 Stepping 7]
Number of processors 16
Coprocessors ---
Operating System Linux Red Hat Enterprise Linux
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.5 (Ootpa) [4.18.0-348.20.1.el8_5.x86_64|libc 2.28 (GNU libc)]
BOINC version 7.16.11
Memory 63902.14 MB
Cache 16896 KB
Swap space 15992 MB
Total disk space 488.04 GB
Free Disk Space 482.44 GB
Measured floating point speed 6580.65 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 31846.99 million ops/sec
Average upload rate 406.17 KB/sec
Average download rate 23155.98 KB/sec
Average turnaround time 1.45 days
Application details Show
Tasks 32
Number of times client has contacted server 4753
Last time contacted server 4 Apr 2022, 17:02:26 UTC
Fraction of time BOINC is running 99.96%
While BOINC is running, fraction of time computing is allowed 100.00%
While is BOINC running, fraction of time GPU computing is allowed 100.00%
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Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.
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Message 105833 - Posted: 4 Apr 2022, 22:35:54 UTC - in response to Message 105829.  

Thank you for pointing out that the information was incorrect.

As far as installing Virtual Box, I do not want to. I willingly give up the ability to do Python jobs.[/quote]
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ok..then make sure you disable your settings for virtual box work.
Then you are limited to the sporadic 4.2 work as it comes.
You will get a few days work every week or so.
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Message 105837 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 15:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 105832.  

Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.

I can confirm that if virtual pox is not installed you don't get `allowed` to `skip` your buttons .
the event log messyouaboutages just keep telling you that your system is not infected with it .
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Message 105839 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 18:06:32 UTC - in response to Message 105837.  

Maybe they don't bother showing you the skip button if you have no VB installed. Just ignore the error message.

I can confirm that if virtual pox is not installed you don't get `allowed` to `skip` your buttons .
the event log messyouaboutages just keep telling you that your system is not infected with it .



Infected? just because your system doesn't run it or you don't want to use it, does not mean it infects a system.

People don't know it won't run on their system, because the project fails to mention what the minimum requirements are to use it. What the minimum processor is, minimum memory needed depending on how many cores you give to the project, which appears to be an all or nothing option as you can not say how many cores it can use in your account preferences and if you try a script then that causes problems as well.

There are a lot of things this project could do better, but as it has been said many many times, they don't care as long as they get enough results back to get the data they need.

Outside of this project, VB works just fine on LHC ATLAS and 4 other projects that I know are full time.
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Message 105840 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 18:53:18 UTC

Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?
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Message 105842 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 20:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 105839.  

Outside of this project, VB works just fine on LHC ATLAS and 4 other projects that I know are full time.
Cosmology and the now closed Kryptos only work properly in VB 5. VB 6 hasn't been taken up well by project programmers.
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Message 105843 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 20:31:19 UTC - in response to Message 105840.  
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Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?
Rosetta always used to have 8 hour tasks more or less exactly (within 10 minutes), they ran for that time and gave back whatever data you'd calculated. But the newer ones seem to be more like other projects, shorter time on faster processors.

Not sure what an Intel I5-11 is, do you mean 11th generation? In which case that should be fast. You should not be getting 30 hours. Check to see if your CPU is actually heavily in use using Windows task manager. I fixed a lot of mine by changing a setting in my antivirus. If you have AVG or Avast (and probably others) you need to find the setting to not check virtual machines.
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Message 105844 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:22:58 UTC - in response to Message 105843.  
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Subject: +30 hours to run 8 hr tasks

I recently installed VB. I'm on Win 11, Intel i5-11, running VB 6.1.32 (the recommended Boinc version), and all Rosetta tasks are estimated by Boinc to take 8 hrs, which sometimes take 4 hrs, and some take +30 hrs. Is this normal? The ones that take the longest often indicate, for ex, time remaining = 30 min, and 8 hrs later, the time remaining = 20 min -- which seems odd. Do I need to tweak something?

Rosetta always used to have 8 hour tasks more or less exactly (within 10 minutes), they ran for that time and gave back whatever data you'd calculated. But the newer ones seem to be more like other projects, shorter time on faster processors.

Not sure what an Intel I5-11 is, do you mean 11th generation? In which case that should be fast. You should not be getting 30 hours. Check to see if your CPU is actually heavily in use using Windows task manager. I fixed a lot of mine by changing a setting in my antivirus. If you have AVG or Avast (and probably others) you need to find the setting to not check virtual machines.


Yes. Intel 11th Gen. I'm using Bitdefender (which just released a new version). It's odd to me that some tasks take only a few hrs vs the +30 hr tasks, which suggests to me that Bitdefender is not a factor (but maybe I'm wrong). More likely that it the tasks (the ones that start with "aaam" seem to be the "problem" tasks that take so long.[/quote]
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Message 105845 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:28:22 UTC - in response to Message 105844.  
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Yes. Intel 11th Gen. I'm using Bitdefender (which just released a new version). It's odd to me that some tasks take only a few hrs vs the +30 hr tasks, which suggests to me that Bitdefender is not a factor (but maybe I'm wrong). More likely that it the tasks (the ones that start with "aaam" seem to be the "problem" tasks that take so long.
Not sure what's going on there. My machines have always either completed every single one, or none at all. What proportion of yours are failing? I'll grab a big bunch of them and try it out here on 5 of my 7 varied machines (they're doing folding at home at the moment but most of them aren't near deadlines).
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Message 105846 - Posted: 5 Apr 2022, 21:32:20 UTC - in response to Message 105845.  

From what i could understand his tasks do not fail, but some run for 30 hours before completing.
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