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Message 105664 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 10:21:59 UTC - in response to Message 105663.  

Ryzen 3 3100, works fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw topoext ssbd ibpb vmmcall fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves clzero wbnoinvd arat npt svm_lock nrip_save vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists umip rdpid overflow_recov succor
used cat /proc/cpuinfo on vmware workstation
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Message 105665 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 10:44:15 UTC - in response to Message 105664.  

Ryzen 3 3100, works fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw topoext ssbd ibpb vmmcall fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves clzero wbnoinvd arat npt svm_lock nrip_save vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists umip rdpid overflow_recov succor
used cat /proc/cpuinfo on vmware workstation
Thanks, building spreadsheet, more people add please.
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Message 105666 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 11:19:52 UTC - in response to Message 105664.  

Ryzen 3 3100, works fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl tsc_reliable nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid tsc_known_freq pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand hypervisor lahf_lm svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw topoext ssbd ibpb vmmcall fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves clzero wbnoinvd arat npt svm_lock nrip_save vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists umip rdpid overflow_recov succor
used cat /proc/cpuinfo on vmware workstation
You're getting more info than I got from Boinc.
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Message 105667 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 11:21:24 UTC - in response to Message 105666.  

When I run cat /proc/cpuinfo on wsl1 i get this
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave osxsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_llc mwaitx fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 cqm rdt_a rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni umip rdpid
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Message 105668 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 11:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 105667.  

When I run cat /proc/cpuinfo on wsl1 i get this
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave osxsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_llc mwaitx fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 cqm rdt_a rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni umip rdpid
Maybe we should stick to what Boinc shows. That's presumably what's important for Boinc.
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Message 105671 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 19:36:47 UTC - in response to Message 105661.  
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Processor: 16 AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0
Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 svm sse4a osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topx page1gb rdtscp fsgsbase bmi1 smep bmi2

runs 64 bit win10


Can run python just fine if the task data is ok
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Message 105674 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 21:04:33 UTC - in response to Message 105667.  

When I run cat /proc/cpuinfo on wsl1 i get this


fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave osxsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_llc mwaitx fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 cqm rdt_a rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni umip rdpid

I get way more than you do,
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid dca sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb cat_l3 cdp_l3 invpcid_single intel_ppin ssbd mba ibrs ibpb stibp ibrs_enhanced tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid cqm mpx rdt_a avx512f avx512dq rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb intel_pt avx512cd avx512bw avx512vl xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc cqm_mbm_total cqm_mbm_local dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_pkg_req avx512_vnni md_clear flush_l1d arch_capabilities

Does the difference matter?
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Message 105675 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 21:14:12 UTC - in response to Message 105674.  

When I run cat /proc/cpuinfo on wsl1 i get this

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I get way more than you do,
fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid dca sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb cat_l3 cdp_l3 invpcid_single intel_ppin ssbd mba ibrs ibpb stibp ibrs_enhanced tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid ept_ad fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid cqm mpx rdt_a avx512f avx512dq rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb intel_pt avx512cd avx512bw avx512vl xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc cqm_mbm_total cqm_mbm_local dtherm ida arat pln pts hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_pkg_req avx512_vnni md_clear flush_l1d arch_capabilities

Does the difference matter?

Maybe. We are still trying to determine which entries on the list are important. You might add how often your computer runs Python tasks properly to help determine this.
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Message 105677 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 20:16:09 UTC
Last modified: 24 Mar 2022, 20:19:01 UTC

WTF?!?! I get booted off Python for an error in computing 2 days ago and a abort 4 days before that?
What the hell is up with that?
Really stupid shit is happening now.

What's this?

2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): Starting VM using VBoxManage interface. (boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f, slot#9)
2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): Error in start VM for VM: -2135228415
Command:
VBoxManage -q startvm "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" --type headless
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f'
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "FindMachine(Bstr(pszVM).raw(), machine.asOutParam())" at line 722 of file VBoxManageMisc.cpp

2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): VM failed to start.
2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): Could not start
2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): ERROR: VM failed to start
2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): Powering off VM.
2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364): Deregistering VM. (boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f, slot#9)
2022-03-23 15:16:14 (3364): Removing network bandwidth throttle group from VM.
2022-03-23 15:16:14 (3364): Removing VM from VirtualBox.

022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364):
Command: VBoxManage -q showvminfo "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" --machinereadable
Exit Code: -108
Output:

2022-03-23 15:16:13 (3364):
Command: VBoxManage -q startvm "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" --type headless
Exit Code: -2135228415
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f'
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "FindMachine(Bstr(pszVM).raw(), machine.asOutParam())" at line 722 of file VBoxManageMisc.cpp

2022-03-23 15:16:14 (3364):
Command: VBoxManage -q snapshot "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" list
Exit Code: -2135228415
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f'
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "FindMachine(bstrMachine.raw(), pMachine.asOutParam())" at line 333 of file VBoxManageSnapshot.cpp

2022-03-23 15:16:14 (3364):
Command: VBoxManage -q bandwidthctl "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" remove "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f_net"
Exit Code: -2135228415
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f'
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "FindMachine(Bstr(a->argv[0]).raw(), machine.asOutParam())" at line 320 of file VBoxManageBandwidthControl.cpp

2022-03-23 15:16:14 (3364):
Command: VBoxManage -q unregistervm "boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f" --delete
Exit Code: -2135228415
Output:
VBoxManage.exe: error: Could not find a registered machine named 'boinc_d09093615cdfbe0f'
VBoxManage.exe: error: Details: code VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80bb0001), component VirtualBoxWrap, interface IVirtualBox, callee IUnknown
VBoxManage.exe: error: Context: "FindMachine(Bstr(VMName).raw(), machine.asOutParam())" at line 150 of file VBoxManageMisc.cpp

15:16:25 (3364): called boinc_finish(-2135228415)

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1480251240

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1480014826
This one I killed off because it died
Run time 3 hours 25 min 47 sec
CPU time 4 sec

Both their fault and I get the hit for it?
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Message 105678 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 21:38:21 UTC - in response to Message 105675.  

Maybe. We are still trying to determine which entries on the list are important. You might add how often your computer runs Python tasks properly to help determine this.


Sorry. I am unwilling to install VirtualBox on my machine, so I do not run any.

Wed 23 Mar 2022 11:20:40 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed
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Message 105680 - Posted: 24 Mar 2022, 23:12:35 UTC - in response to Message 105678.  

Maybe. We are still trying to determine which entries on the list are important. You might add how often your computer runs Python tasks properly to help determine this.


Sorry. I am unwilling to install VirtualBox on my machine, so I do not run any.

Wed 23 Mar 2022 11:20:40 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed



Be sure to take that setting off your profile so the project does not try to send you pythons.
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Message 105681 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 3:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 105680.  
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Maybe. We are still trying to determine which entries on the list are important. You might add how often your computer runs Python tasks properly to help determine this.


Sorry. I am unwilling to install VirtualBox on my machine, so I do not run any.

Wed 23 Mar 2022 11:20:40 PM EDT | Rosetta@home | Message from server: VirtualBox is not installed
Be sure to take that setting off your profile so the project does not try to send you pythons.
???
VirtualBox isn't installed, so it doesn't try to send any Python Tasks.
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Message 105684 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 8:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 105677.  

WTF?!?! I get booted off Python for an error in computing 2 days ago and a abort 4 days before that?
I thought you had to return 100 faulty tasks to get booted? You can just reset it anyway.
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Message 105687 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 14:24:51 UTC

Problem: WUs often pauses with the VM unmanageable error, no matter if I run 9 or only 5 WUs at a time.

Processor: 32 AuthenticAMD AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor [Family 25 Model 33 Stepping 0]

Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc cpuid extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt tce topoext perfctr_core perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_llc mwaitx cpb cat_l3 cdp_l3 hw_pstate ssbd mba ibrs ibpb stibp vmmcall fsgsbase bmi1 avx2 smep bmi2 erms invpcid cqm rdt_a rdseed adx smap clflushopt clwb sha_ni xsaveopt xsavec xgetbv1 xsaves cqm_llc cqm_occup_llc cqm_mbm_total cqm_mbm_local clzero irperf xsaveerptr rdpru wbnoinvd arat npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale vmcb_clean flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold avic v_vmsave_vmload vgif v_spec_ctrl umip pku ospke vaes vpclmulqdq rdpid overflow_recov succor smca fsrm
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Message 105688 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 15:05:24 UTC - in response to Message 105687.  

Problem: WUs often pauses with the VM unmanageable error, no matter if I run 9 or only 5 WUs at a time.

It is a long-standing problem, much discussed here (you can search it).
It is mainly on Linux that I have seen. If you use Windows, and then the 5.2.44 VirtualBox version (not 6.1.x), you will not have the problem.

But there is another problem of tasks using very little CPU and running forever ("0 CPU" problem) that is common to both operating systems.
You just abort them as early as you find them.
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Message 105690 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 15:31:52 UTC

Linux users seem to be giving huge numbers of processor abilities compared to Windows users. Not sure what's going on here.
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Message 105691 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 15:32:42 UTC - in response to Message 105688.  
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Problem: WUs often pauses with the VM unmanageable error, no matter if I run 9 or only 5 WUs at a time.

It is a long-standing problem, much discussed here (you can search it).
It is mainly on Linux that I have seen. If you use Windows, and then the 5.2.44 VirtualBox version (not 6.1.x), you will not have the problem.

But there is another problem of tasks using very little CPU and running forever ("0 CPU" problem) that is common to both operating systems.
You just abort them as early as you find them.
The biggest problem is computers which cannot run them AT ALL. EVERY SINGLE ONE uses no CPU time. I think this occurs on older CPUs and is a hardware incompatibility. I'm trying to work out which ones it happens on, and therefore what instruction is required on a CPU for it to be ok. Then perhaps Oracle can look into it.
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Message 105692 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 16:01:46 UTC - in response to Message 105660.  

The 32-bit machine finally started getting work. That's the main point of this post.
Another 64-bit machine w/o vbox (older CPU but has a graphics card) wasn't getting anything so I signed it up for SiDock@Home and that is crunching away.
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Message 105693 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 16:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 105688.  

Problem: WUs often pauses with the VM unmanageable error, no matter if I run 9 or only 5 WUs at a time.

It is a long-standing problem, much discussed here (you can search it).
It is mainly on Linux that I have seen. If you use Windows, and then the 5.2.44 VirtualBox version (not 6.1.x), you will not have the problem.

But there is another problem of tasks using very little CPU and running forever ("0 CPU" problem) that is common to both operating systems.
You just abort them as early as you find them.

Yes I'm running Linux on that host, on my Windows host I've no problem, even with VirtualBox 6.1.

On the Linux host I did have some of those 0 CPU procent WUs and did abort them, again don't think I've had a single one on my Windows host.
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