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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1685 Credit: 17,975,622 RAC: 23,468 |
Right. That is the point. You need a lot more. But I think .clair. mentioned Samsung Magician. I have used it when I was on Windows, and it includes around a GB, or maybe less, but could be enough to save an SSD if you did not run too many work units.I'd forgotten about Samsung Magician's Rapid Mode. Had a quick look and couldn't find any info on if the cache is adjustable at all, or if the more RAM you have the larger it is by default (as it would have to be smaller in a system with limited RAM). The installation manual only shows it as using around 1.3GB of RAM when checking to see if it is installed and running, but it doesn't give any idea of how much RAM was on the system it was installed on. Grant Darwin NT |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,845,183 RAC: 8,097 |
To be honest, i would classify the present Python work as being at Alpha test level of development- they are still not even good enough for Beta testing. They are no where near being ready for actual deployment IMHO.I thought this was what Ralph@home was for? Excessive system requirements.Not really, try running LHC. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1685 Credit: 17,975,622 RAC: 23,468 |
That's meant to be for Beta testing.To be honest, i would classify the present Python work as being at Alpha test level of development- they are still not even good enough for Beta testing. They are no where near being ready for actual deployment IMHO.I thought this was what Ralph@home was for? These Python tasks haven't even reached that level of development IMHO. Excessive in the fact that what it requires to run is well in excess of what is ever actually used.Excessive system requirements.Not really, try running LHC. Grant Darwin NT |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,845,183 RAC: 8,097 |
Actually the "alph" in Ralph means alpha doesn't it? Anyway, testing is testing, it's a bit pedantic to say if it's alpha or beta. The point is on Ralph we don't mind stuff going wrong, so that's where it should be. It probably does work on their own machines, but fails when sent out to 1000s of different combinations of hardware, so it needs to go to Ralph.I thought this was what Ralph@home was for?That's meant to be for Beta testing. How do you know it's not using it?Not really, try running LHC.Excessive in the fact that what it requires to run is well in excess of what is ever actually used. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1685 Credit: 17,975,622 RAC: 23,468 |
Which shows how bad things are.Actually the "alph" in Ralph means alpha doesn't it?I thought this was what Ralph@home was for?That's meant to be for Beta testing. Even for public Alpha testing, it should at least be close to Beta test quality. Not just initial release Alpha testing. Anyway, testing is testing, it's a bit pedantic to say if it's alpha or beta.There is a huge difference between Alpha & Beta testing. Hence the different names. Getting things right isn't pedantic, it avoids messes like we presently have here with the Python work. Because when we initially had hundreds of posts about people not being able to get work due to not enough RAM or DIsk space, others that did have work were posting what was actually being used. That got some of requirements reduced, but they are still excessive relative to what is actually being used.How do you know it's not using it?Not really, try running LHC.Excessive in the fact that what it requires to run is well in excess of what is ever actually used. Grant Darwin NT |
.clair. Send message Joined: 2 Jan 07 Posts: 274 Credit: 26,399,595 RAC: 0 |
I had my machines some on Win 7 home and some win 7 ultimate. They all got an upgrade to Win 10 home or win 10 pro for free. But I don't think they still do it, unless you fiddle with the settings and say you're disabled! I just had a quick look around the net and an upgrade to win10pro may still be possible Maybe if I tell MS that I am insane and I boinc 24/7 You don`t have to be mad to work here , but it helps. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,845,183 RAC: 8,097 |
I would agree with you if it was say a freeware program to edit photos that you were letting the public use. They expect it to pretty much work. But we know we're testing stuff in Ralph, we don't care if hardly any tasks work, we know we're helping them test it. Why should they waste time and money testing it in house when we can do it? That's the point of Boinc, to help the researchers.Actually the "alph" in Ralph means alpha doesn't it?Which shows how bad things are. That's like having two categories, fast cars and slow cars. Where do you draw the line?Anyway, testing is testing, it's a bit pedantic to say if it's alpha or beta.There is a huge difference between Alpha & Beta testing. Hence the different names. Getting things right isn't pedantic, it avoids messes like we presently have here with the Python work. Are you referring to how much RAM is required for the task to consider starting? Maybe that's hard to predict.How do you know it's not using it?Because when we initially had hundreds of posts about people not being able to get work due to not enough RAM or disk space, others that did have work were posting what was actually being used. That got some of requirements reduced, but they are still excessive relative to what is actually being used. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,845,183 RAC: 8,097 |
Anything is possible depending which websites you're willing to use. When I say I had Windows 7 on 7 machines....I had my machines some on Win 7 home and some win 7 ultimate. They all got an upgrade to Win 10 home or win 10 pro for free. But I don't think they still do it, unless you fiddle with the settings and say you're disabled! |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
My Windows 10 is using 10% of my RAM = 6.5GB for a write cache. And if you tick the box to turn off write cache buffer flushing, it helps even more. Right click the drive, properties, hardware, properties, change settings, policies, tick "turn off buffer flushing". It appears that you are looking at the Performance tab in Task Manager. That just says "cache". I think they stick everything they can into the memory for faster retrieval of programs that you have already opened. In other words, it is a read cache. But I don't know how they implement it, so there may be something you could call a write cache, but more for system programs or desktop apps. I don't think the user has any control over it however, and I doubt that they would put any of the BOINC writes into it, which is something they don't know anything about. I would leave buffer flushing on. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,845,183 RAC: 8,097 |
No, the 10% (= 6.5GB in my case) is from me reading an article. The task manager shows (all memory not in use by programs) is a cache, most of that will be a read cache.My Windows 10 is using 10% of my RAM = 6.5GB for a write cache. And if you tick the box to turn off write cache buffer flushing, it helps even more. Right click the drive, properties, hardware, properties, change settings, policies, tick "turn off buffer flushing".It appears that you are looking at the Performance tab in Task Manager. That just says "cache". I think they stick everything they can into the memory for faster retrieval of programs that you have already opened. In other words, it is a read cache. They don't need to know about Boinc, they write cache any writes to disk. Why would I leave buffer flushing on? It's a bit safer if you crash or have powercuts a lot, but it impedes performance and as you said wears out the disk quicker. |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
No, the 10% (= 6.5GB in my case) is from me reading an article. The task manager shows (all memory not in use by programs) is a cache, most of that will be a read cache. Certainly it is from you reading an article. When you open a word processor or web browser, for example, it initially reads the information from the disk drive (SSD). But it also places it in the cache. Then, the next time you open that same page, it can read the information from the cache, rather than from the disk drive. It is a bit faster, but not much in the case of an SSD, since they have fast reads anyway. It was developed mainly for use with mechanical disk drives, where it can make more of a difference. You don't have a write cache. There is no point in risking a crash. |
gbayler Send message Joined: 10 Apr 20 Posts: 14 Credit: 3,069,484 RAC: 0 |
Errors that result in systems being black listed from getting work When do systems get blacklisted? I'm using a self-written script to abort tasks that don't process, wondering whether this can get my systems blacklisted too. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
I need a bit of help with the m.2 drive. It is installed correctly, driver updated BIOS sees it. Device manager sees it. But File Explorer does not. This is where I want to put the data files for BOINC, but I can't seem to find the drive. Did a self test out of BIOS, that was clean. I'm lost. |
gbayler Send message Joined: 10 Apr 20 Posts: 14 Credit: 3,069,484 RAC: 0 |
Do you see the drive in the Disk Management? If yes, can you assign it a drive letter there? |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1232 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 1,150 |
I need a bit of help with the m.2 drive. File Explorer won't see it if there is no partition on it. |
Jim1348 Send message Joined: 19 Jan 06 Posts: 881 Credit: 52,257,545 RAC: 0 |
File Explorer won't see it if there is no partition on it. Good point. If you go into Disk Management, you should be able to see the drive. Then, right-click on it, and select "New Simple Volume". Or you can always use Parted Magic. https://partedmagic.com/ It used to be that you had to create a partition on a drive to even install Windows, but now Windows does it automatically. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
File Explorer won't see it if there is no partition on it. Didn't want to pay for that program, but found another to do the job. So magic! I can see everything now. Going to take a hit on credit for lost work, because I migrated without finishing all the work. Oh well. Curious to see what RAH will do now that it has 100% again. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
What? 1/23/2022 5:37:15 PM | | GPU detection failed: process exited with status 0x1: Incorrect function. (0x1) 1/23/2022 5:37:15 PM | | No usable GPUs found FAH uses them just fine. And my monitor runs off of one of them. |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1232 Credit: 14,281,662 RAC: 1,150 |
There are three major kinds of GPUs - Nvidia, AMD, and Intel. You may need to match the kind BOINC sees to the kind or kinds the applications are written to be able to use. |
Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0 |
There are three major kinds of GPUs - Nvidia, AMD, and Intel. You may need to match the kind BOINC sees to the kind or kinds the applications are written to be able to use. GPU units were used prior to installing a m.2 drive and changing data folder location. Nothing changed other than a m.2 drive being installed and the data moved. Drivers uninstalled and redone, BOINC removed and reinstalled. I guess I'll run out the work I have now and erase BOINC and the data folders. |
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