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Message 104148 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 17:39:52 UTC - in response to Message 104105.  

The 0x80070005 error code arises when the Windows access is denied. ... The 0x80070005 error relates to access permissions in Windows, sometimes encountered by users when they are trying to update their Windows or installing a new program, and they don't possess full access permission for certain files

Which is odd, because it ran ok, but when its writing the output there is where the errors are.
I have to get to bed again, but maybe tomorrow night I can look.

But it appears to be a windows permissions thing at first glance.
I see this in a TACC post and a LHC post.

If you search the gibberish:

1) aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005)
2) aIID={85cd948e-a71f-4289-281e-0ca7ad48cd89} aComponent={MachineWrap} aText={The object functionality is limited}

You might find the answer...add the word BOINC if you can not find what you are looking for.


I'm off to bed, but will have a look tomorrow afternoon. The only thing I found was Vbox was not installed with admin rights. Apparently being a user with admin rights isn't good enough. I'll try reinstalling it on an offending machine tomorrow using elevated privileges. Stupid Microsoft.....
No, that didn't help.
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Message 104149 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 17:41:50 UTC - in response to Message 104145.  
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Two of you with identical errors. That sounds like a code problem by the team not your machines.
And 12 hrs for 3 minutes of CPU time, definitely something wrong.
Are you running RAH on a dedicated core and don't have much of a system load?
I've run stuff almost like that in the past, but never 12hrs for 3 minutes!
In my case loads of RAM, tried to run one at a time, nothing overloaded. If this is a programming error, can we report it somewhere? I doubt any of them are reading this.
<-- yep. no one reads no one cares.

The only way they notice anything is when the results of 30+ tasks error out and skew the data then they come back for a look. But a few here and there on single machines...nah..not interested.

And I have no way to look at any of your tasks on any of your machines.
It's all 0's and your first machine has not made "contact" since Jan 1.
Everything else is november or even may.
So if they are connected to GRC, then I guess we don't see them.
Which computer ID do you refer to when having problems?
Surely there's an address we can send to, David Baker for example? And it isn't just machines here and there. Judging by how little work is done on pythons, hardly anyone is doing them. And 6 of my 7 machines failed to.

The machine I've been referring to most recently is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6169682
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Message 104150 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 18:05:02 UTC

In Atlas@home from LHC CPU time is double than running time. I allow it to run on two processors of my six. rosetta pythom is running two tasks, one on each processor. The third one is waiting for more memory of my 12 GB, the fourth one is ready to run.
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Message 104151 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 19:12:42 UTC - in response to Message 104149.  

Two of you with identical errors. That sounds like a code problem by the team not your machines.
And 12 hrs for 3 minutes of CPU time, definitely something wrong.
Are you running RAH on a dedicated core and don't have much of a system load?
I've run stuff almost like that in the past, but never 12hrs for 3 minutes!
In my case loads of RAM, tried to run one at a time, nothing overloaded. If this is a programming error, can we report it somewhere? I doubt any of them are reading this.
<-- yep. no one reads no one cares.

The only way they notice anything is when the results of 30+ tasks error out and skew the data then they come back for a look. But a few here and there on single machines...nah..not interested.

And I have no way to look at any of your tasks on any of your machines.
It's all 0's and your first machine has not made "contact" since Jan 1.
Everything else is november or even may.
So if they are connected to GRC, then I guess we don't see them.
Which computer ID do you refer to when having problems?
Surely there's an address we can send to, David Baker for example? And it isn't just machines here and there. Judging by how little work is done on pythons, hardly anyone is doing them. And 6 of my 7 machines failed to.

The machine I've been referring to most recently is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6169682


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Re: VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80BB0001)

Postby mpack » 7. Jan 2017, 15:37
Usually it means that you are using VirtualBox on a Windows host while logged in as a different user, i.e. not the user who installed the software. To install the software you should use "Run as administrator", not log in as the administrator.

Also, VirtualBox needs to install certain drivers on the host which do redirection of network and USB devices. You need to allow that to happen.

This is what all that gibberish boils down to. Something is not configured right on your system.
In one instance it was running and then something changed and it could not find the path anymore which lead to this 0x error.
And in another you got the 0x error and this message: {The object functionality is limited} and this error: {The object is not ready}

All the ones that ran have this error.
It is best you try and reinstall Vbox and see if the configuration will return to normal.
If it doesn't then you need to go over to their forum and ask what to do.
This is not a RAH issue. This is a configuration issue on your system.
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Message 104152 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 19:23:26 UTC - in response to Message 104150.  

In Atlas@home from LHC CPU time is double than running time. I allow it to run on two processors of my six. rosetta pythom is running two tasks, one on each processor. The third one is waiting for more memory of my 12 GB, the fourth one is ready to run.
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15 cores with the new memory installed running this group

1 Python
3 WCG (2 pandemic 1 cancer)
1 Einstein (GPU and 1 core CPU)
1 Prime grid (GPU and 1 core CPU)
5 SiDock
1 ATLAS
1 QuChem (had to restart it after first start up)

Only using 60% of my memory now 49 Gigs now installed.
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Message 104153 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 19:35:44 UTC - in response to Message 104151.  

Re: VBOX_E_OBJECT_NOT_FOUND (0x80BB0001)

Postby mpack » 7. Jan 2017, 15:37
Usually it means that you are using VirtualBox on a Windows host while logged in as a different user, i.e. not the user who installed the software. To install the software you should use "Run as administrator", not log in as the administrator.

Also, VirtualBox needs to install certain drivers on the host which do redirection of network and USB devices. You need to allow that to happen.

This is what all that gibberish boils down to. Something is not configured right on your system.
In one instance it was running and then something changed and it could not find the path anymore which lead to this 0x error.
And in another you got the 0x error and this message: {The object functionality is limited} and this error: {The object is not ready}

All the ones that ran have this error.
It is best you try and reinstall Vbox and see if the configuration will return to normal.
If it doesn't then you need to go over to their forum and ask what to do.
This is not a RAH issue. This is a configuration issue on your system.
It's not my system. I only log on as one user, which is an admin. I reinstalled elevated to admin with no improvement. Vbox works perfectly well on LHC, this is a Rosetta screwup. I've done nothing different on the machine that works, the only major difference is the CPU type. And since hardly anyone is doing Python, this suggests many are having difficulties.
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Message 104154 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 20:00:38 UTC
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I have another PC with a AMD Ryzen CPU and 24 GB RAM, but it runs mostly World Comminity Grid projects, like OpenPandemics-Covid-19, for obvious reasons, Mapping CancerMarkers and Africa Rainfall project.The project used to be managed by IBM, now by the Krembil Research Institute, Ottawa, Canada.
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Message 104156 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 20:41:41 UTC - in response to Message 104154.  

I have another PC with a AMD Ryzen CPU and 24 GB RAM, but it runs mostly World Comminity Grid projects, like OpenPandemics-Covid-19, for obvious reasons, Mapping CancerMarkers and Africa Rainfall project.The project used to be managed by IBM, now by the Krembil Research Institute, Ottawa, Canada.
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Yes, mine is over there most of the time since Rosetta started playing up. I can't find any GPU (AMD) biology Boinc projects though. Covid on WCG had some for a time but not any more.
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Message 104157 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 21:35:17 UTC - in response to Message 104113.  

You are not alone with that error, I have some like that, many do run ok , this was another dud.
184:11:40.953516 ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) aIID={5047460a-265d-4538-b23e-ddba5fb84976} aComponent={MachineWrap} aText={The object functionality is limited}, preserve=false aResultDetail=0
184:11:40.953516 ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) aIID={5047460a-265d-4538-b23e-ddba5fb84976} aComponent={MachineWrap} aText={The object functionality is limited}, preserve=false aResultDetail=0
184:11:40.953516 ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) aIID={5047460a-265d-4538-b23e-ddba5fb84976} aComponent={MachineWrap} aText={The object functionality is limited}, preserve=false aResultDetail=0
184:11:40.953516 ERROR [COM]: aRC=E_ACCESSDENIED (0x80070005) aIID={5047460a-265d-4538-b23e-ddba5fb84976} aComponent={MachineWrap} aText={The object functionality is limited}, preserve=false aResultDetail=0
Run time 12 hours 15 min 28 sec
CPU time 3 min 40 sec
It may still be visible by the time you read this - Received 9 Jan 2022, 19:01:27 UTC
It was one of snail workunits that start but get nowhere fast
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1463638243

Two of you with identical errors. That sounds like a code problem by the team not your machines.
And 12 hrs for 3 minutes of CPU time, definitely something wrong.
Are you running RAH on a dedicated core and don't have much of a system load?
I've run stuff almost like that in the past, but never 12hrs for 3 minutes!

Its a dedicated BOINC cruncher the only `system load` is BOINC , 48 cpu/threads 128GB memory
It runs rosetta on CPU and Milkyway on GPU and nothing else
It is not attached to any other projects and never has been
It was a friends workstation , he died a few years ago, he was a marine biologist ,
I got given the computer for helping clear his house witch is why it is named `Kaminski` after him [polish name] with the intention to run boinc on it till it stops working
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Message 104160 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 22:51:59 UTC - in response to Message 104108.  

How are prospective new users gonna find this stuff out?

That is a very good question. We long-time users have heard about it on the forums, and see the one marked "vbox64" in the applications.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/apps.php

But that is scant information indeed, and tells you nothing about system requirements.
It is a poor way to run a railroad. They won't get much work done that way.


Thank you Jim1348! Well said.

I strongly suggest that Admins/project owners add the link to the apps page https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/apps.php that you kindly provided after a phrase like:

The Rosetta@home subprojects are described here: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/apps.php

Now, how do I prevent Python tasks that get sent to me and only send me Rosetta tasks? That is all I have received recently on my main desktop system. One Python task ran for 3 days and others hit various resource issues. The messages related to resource issues (such as waiting for memory) are not very helpful, but maybe that is a BOINC issue? I am running BOINC 7.16.20 and VBox 6.1 on my Windows 10 PC.

On the other Windows systems where VBox is NOT installed, I do not get any ROSETTA@Home tasks at all because VBox is not installed. I get a message on those PCs that VBox is not installed (well, duh). That does not happen with Ralph@Home.

The only option in Rosetta@home Preferences seems to be the run-time length. I will try to set it to 1 day instead of 8 hours and see if that helps.

I won't uninstall BOINC on my PC as I have lots of BOINC projects.
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Message 104161 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 22:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 104160.  
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To stop receiving the Pythons, go to your computer list on your Rosetta account page ( or copy-paste this link https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/hosts_user.php ), click on details and click Skip where it says VirtualBox VM jobs.

The reason your other computers aren't receiving standard Rosetta jobs isn't because you haven't installed VirtualBox on them but rather because there simply isn't any work available right now.
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Message 104163 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 23:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 104156.  

I have another PC with a AMD Ryzen CPU and 24 GB RAM, but it runs mostly World Comminity Grid projects, like OpenPandemics-Covid-19, for obvious reasons, Mapping CancerMarkers and Africa Rainfall project.The project used to be managed by IBM, now by the Krembil Research Institute, Ottawa, Canada.
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Yes, mine is over there most of the time since Rosetta started playing up. I can't find any GPU (AMD) biology Boinc projects though. Covid on WCG had some for a time but not any more.



Non BOINC GPU protein is at FAH

Another BOINC you can try is QuChemPediA and SiDock if your not already there.
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Message 104164 - Posted: 10 Jan 2022, 23:41:18 UTC

.clair. and Peter, I can't do anything more for you.
RAH team will do nothing to help you.
So I suggest you go over to Vbox forum and post your error messages and questions there.
They might know what's going on since it is their software.
If it not in their software then its a batch of tasks that don't like your computers.
I have not had any errors that I know of in the last 48 hrs and I run 5 CPU and 2 GPU projects on 16 cores.
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Message 104165 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 0:55:25 UTC - in response to Message 104164.  

.clair. and Peter, I can't do anything more for you.
RAH team will do nothing to help you.
So I suggest you go over to Vbox forum and post your error messages and questions there.
They might know what's going on since it is their software.
If it not in their software then its a batch of tasks that don't like your computers.
I have not had any errors that I know of in the last 48 hrs and I run 5 CPU and 2 GPU projects on 16 cores.
It works on LHC, it doesn't work on Rosetta, Rosetta is the weakest link.
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Message 104166 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 1:04:34 UTC - in response to Message 104163.  

I have another PC with a AMD Ryzen CPU and 24 GB RAM, but it runs mostly World Comminity Grid projects, like OpenPandemics-Covid-19, for obvious reasons, Mapping CancerMarkers and Africa Rainfall project.The project used to be managed by IBM, now by the Krembil Research Institute, Ottawa, Canada.
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Yes, mine is over there most of the time since Rosetta started playing up. I can't find any GPU (AMD) biology Boinc projects though. Covid on WCG had some for a time but not any more.



Non BOINC GPU protein is at FAH

Another BOINC you can try is QuChemPediA and SiDock if your not already there.
QuChemPediA isn't on gridcoin, I've joined Sidock, but there seems to be no GPU work. This might be because I reached a host task limit.
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Message 104167 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 1:06:59 UTC - in response to Message 104166.  

I have another PC with a AMD Ryzen CPU and 24 GB RAM, but it runs mostly World Comminity Grid projects, like OpenPandemics-Covid-19, for obvious reasons, Mapping CancerMarkers and Africa Rainfall project.The project used to be managed by IBM, now by the Krembil Research Institute, Ottawa, Canada.
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Yes, mine is over there most of the time since Rosetta started playing up. I can't find any GPU (AMD) biology Boinc projects though. Covid on WCG had some for a time but not any more.



Non BOINC GPU protein is at FAH

Another BOINC you can try is QuChemPediA and SiDock if your not already there.
QuChemPediA isn't on gridcoin, I've joined Sidock, but there seems to be no GPU work. This might be because I reached a host task limit.

I've seen no sign that SiDock has had any GPU work.
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Message 104169 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 1:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 104167.  
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I've seen no sign that SiDock has had any GPU work.
Oh, that's what I was asking for. Nevermind, all my CPUs seem capable of it.

What I really would like is my AMD GPUs to do biology through Boinc. At the moment they're on astrophysics, which seems to be well suited to GPUs.
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Message 104170 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 1:28:06 UTC - in response to Message 104164.  

.clair. and Peter, I can't do anything more for you.
RAH team will do nothing to help you.
So I suggest you go over to Vbox forum and post your error messages and questions there.
They might know what's going on since it is their software.
If it not in their software then its a batch of tasks that don't like your computers.
I have not had any errors that I know of in the last 48 hrs and I run 5 CPU and 2 GPU projects on 16 cores.

Thankyou for giving it a shot,
it duz sort of work so I will put up with whatever errors it chucks
In the long run we are at the mercy of how the project has set vbox/python to run and it feels like beta software and the funky errors that go with it [that are a serious pain to find and fix]
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Message 104171 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 4:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 103952.  

I got a few work units for a couple of days and now, no work units again for three or four days now. Just running other projects, I've tried everything I can think of. Reinstalled BOINC, reset the project etc.
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Message 104174 - Posted: 11 Jan 2022, 7:08:37 UTC - in response to Message 104171.  

I've tried everything I can think of. Reinstalled BOINC, reset the project etc.
Don't.
The reason you're not getting any work is because there aren't any normal Rosetta 4.20 Tasks. When some is available, then that's when you get it.
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