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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1695 Credit: 18,135,662 RAC: 24,343 |
I've had a couple of work units crash out after 30-40 seconds this afternoon. Exit status 0x00000001. I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that. <core_client_version>7.16.11</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <message> Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)</message> <stderr_txt> command: projects/boinc.bakerlab.org_rosetta/rosetta_4.20_windows_x86_64.exe -run:protocol jd2_scripting -parser:protocol pre_helix_boinc_v1.xml @helix_design.flags -in:file:silent pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.silent -in:file:silent_struct_type binary -silent_gz -mute all -silent_read_through_errors true -out:file:silent_struct_type binary -out:file:silent default.out -in:file:boinc_wu_zip pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.zip @pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9pf3ry4f.flags -nstruct 10000 -cpu_run_time 28800 -boinc:max_nstruct 20000 -checkpoint_interval 120 -database minirosetta_database -in::file::zip minirosetta_database.zip -boinc::watchdog -boinc::cpu_run_timeout 36000 -run::rng mt19937 -constant_seed -jran 2417999 Using database: database_357d5d93529_n_methylminirosetta_database ERROR: [ERROR] Unable to open constraints file: e8132c30c9ee547672281ce157b2ec8d_0001.MSAcst ERROR:: Exit from: ......srccorescoringconstraintsConstraintIO.cc line: 457 BOINC:: Error reading and gzipping output datafile: default.out 13:08:50 (9888): called boinc_finish(1) </stderr_txt> ]]> I've had another 50+ that completed & Validated without issue. Grant Darwin NT |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Gates looks like one.LOL!!! They are Borg and you will be assimilated!!!That's funny....you actually thinking MS gives a crap about what YOU, or your organization, wants to do with THEIR software. I hope it works for you I really really do but past history suggests MS just ups the priority of their updates and you get unwanted ones anyway because it serves their tracking needs.It's my computer and they can't make me do anything, including pay for it. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.wear levellingI don't know exactly how they work, |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and fustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.They were still going through Yesterday, but given the low percentage of errors i didn't consider them to be an issue. That you did have such a high number of errors indicated that there was something going on with your system.I've had a couple of miniprotein_relax8_ error out after a while with a similar error messageHaven't all those tasks been aborted by the server now? |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.Of course if you were to treat a HDD the way you described, you would considerably shorten it's life expectancy as well.And SSDs used for recording video streams 24/7 will also last just as long if they have plenty of free space (30% or more) to allow for garbage collection & wear levelling to occur as needed.I don't know exactly how they work, but let's say I have mine 80% full of stuff that remains there. Then I repeatedly write to the remaining 20%. That 20% will wear out. When there aren't enough spare bits to reallocate, won't it just say "I'm now a smaller disk"? 80% of the drive is pretty much as new! |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2129 Credit: 41,369,313 RAC: 13,763 |
Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.They were still going through Yesterday, but given the low percentage of errors i didn't consider them to be an issue. That you did have such a high number of errors indicated that there was something going on with your system.I've had a couple of miniprotein_relax8_ error out after a while with a similar error messageHaven't all those tasks been aborted by the server now? I happen to like pain and frustration... I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that. And given my last PC lasted about 7yrs while running oc pretty much 247 throughout, I don't think it's true about how it reduces the longevity of the CPU In fact, when I've been experimenting and the oc gets knocked out, I'm seeing what base clock looks like and it's not a pretty sight. Each to their own, but I'm staying weird on this one |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,201,313 RAC: 3,210 |
Of course if you were to treat a HDD the way you described, you would considerably shorten it's life expectancy as well.And SSDs used for recording video streams 24/7 will also last just as long if they have plenty of free space (30% or more) to allow for garbage collection & wear levelling to occur as needed.I don't know exactly how they work, but let's say I have mine 80% full of stuff that remains there. Then I repeatedly write to the remaining 20%. That 20% will wear out. When there aren't enough spare bits to reallocate, won't it just say "I'm now a smaller disk"? 80% of the drive is pretty much as new! So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives? With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up. You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Kinky!Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.I happen to like pain and frustration... I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?It's automatically defragged. With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up.Lack of money. I usually double the size when I really really have to. You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.I prefer RAM. In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM? |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,310,146 RAC: 2,884 |
You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.I prefer RAM. RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1695 Credit: 18,135,662 RAC: 24,343 |
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. Grant Darwin NT |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.wear levellingI don't know exactly how they work, Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying. Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
size Every. Single. Day. |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2129 Credit: 41,369,313 RAC: 13,763 |
I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button. There's a new automatic overclocking utility for this Ryzen 5800X family (and some earlier ones likes 3700X) called CTR 2.0RC5 which I tried for a few months, but when temps hit a certain limit, the oc would be removed altogether. From about 4500MHz to base clock of about 3500MHz or so. I've given up on it and used my old manual method which keeps it 4500MHz all the time (ish) - so that's about 25% better than leaving it to its own devices. I definitely haven't got it running right, but I'll have to keep learning and tweaking to get there. |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,201,313 RAC: 3,210 |
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? While you are crunching? That's dangerous. Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1997 Credit: 9,724,868 RAC: 10,462 |
I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that. Same problem on some wus |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Exactly, it's already RAM, doing the above makes it a disk and then RAM again, introducing two overheads for zero gain. It would only work if the RAM you used could not be system RAM for some strange reason, perhaps if it was on another card somewhere, otherwise, best to make it just be system RAM, so the swapfile is never used.The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Awww are rude jokes upsetting for you?It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.wear levellingI don't know exactly how they work, And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice. And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work. But you failed to understand it. Your loss. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,993,315 RAC: 15,703 |
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? |
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