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Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
Kinky!Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.I happen to like pain and frustration... I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?It's automatically defragged. With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up.Lack of money. I usually double the size when I really really have to. You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.I prefer RAM. In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM? |
robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1233 Credit: 14,338,560 RAC: 2,014 |
You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.I prefer RAM. RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1725 Credit: 18,378,164 RAC: 20,578 |
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. Grant Darwin NT |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.wear levellingI don't know exactly how they work, Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying. Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
size Every. Single. Day. |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2140 Credit: 41,518,559 RAC: 10,612 |
I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button. There's a new automatic overclocking utility for this Ryzen 5800X family (and some earlier ones likes 3700X) called CTR 2.0RC5 which I tried for a few months, but when temps hit a certain limit, the oc would be removed altogether. From about 4500MHz to base clock of about 3500MHz or so. I've given up on it and used my old manual method which keeps it 4500MHz all the time (ish) - so that's about 25% better than leaving it to its own devices. I definitely haven't got it running right, but I'll have to keep learning and tweaking to get there. |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,214,047 RAC: 1,450 |
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? While you are crunching? That's dangerous. Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 2002 Credit: 9,780,807 RAC: 5,492 |
I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that. Same problem on some wus |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
Exactly, it's already RAM, doing the above makes it a disk and then RAM again, introducing two overheads for zero gain. It would only work if the RAM you used could not be system RAM for some strange reason, perhaps if it was on another card somewhere, otherwise, best to make it just be system RAM, so the swapfile is never used.The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
Awww are rude jokes upsetting for you?It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.wear levellingI don't know exactly how they work, And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice. And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work. But you failed to understand it. Your loss. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly? |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
I was referring to disk capacity. Yet you immediately think of erections.sizeEvery. Single. Day. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,116,986 RAC: 9,863 |
Why on earth would it be?It's automatically defragged.While you are crunching? That's dangerous. Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for themWell whatever their equivalent is, trimming or something. Windows knows it's an SSD and behaves appropriately. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
I am an anti vaxxer.I'm deeply shocked. And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work.Wear leveling, which was referenced in the post you replied to [pssst...peter....he's trying to tell you that what you suggested is already the way that it works] Add reading comprehension to your wish list, Huffer. |
mrhastyrib Send message Joined: 18 Feb 21 Posts: 90 Credit: 2,541,890 RAC: 0 |
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.Was I talking about IQ, Mr. Nonsequiter? Hint: no, I was not. trimming or somethingThis is really interesting. Please tell us more about how trimming is defragmentation for SSDs. |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,214,047 RAC: 1,450 |
Why on earth would it be?It's automatically defragged.While you are crunching? That's dangerous. YES a couple updates ago win10 DID fix it so that it does, before that though, and for those that are not being updated it does not and it did actual defragging instead of trimming. Defragging an SSD wastes time and resources as it's faster than any defragging can help, at least until you get into the 1 and 2TB range anyway. It's like pre-fetching should also be turned off as the SSD is fast enough to overcome any advantage it could make and it just wastes drive space. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 2002 Credit: 9,780,807 RAC: 5,492 |
And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice. Simply.....no. Vaccine is not ONLY a personal choice, but also a community choice. Protect you and OTHER people. |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 2002 Credit: 9,780,807 RAC: 5,492 |
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA. Actualy the average Italian IQ is 2 higher than British (and 4 than USA). So can i say that you are not smart? No. IQ is, for me, almost crap. |
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