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Message 101457 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 17:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 101452.  

Never ever overclock. A lot of pain and frustration for 10% more power and 50% less lifespan.
I happen to like pain and frustration...
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I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.
They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button.
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Message 101458 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 17:35:28 UTC - in response to Message 101456.  

Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.

Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?
It's automatically defragged.

With the process you've described earlier about what it takes to get a new drive and machine up and running why not just use a bigger harddrive and give it years and years of use before you have to them go to an even bigger one or clean it up.
Lack of money. I usually double the size when I really really have to.

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.
I prefer RAM.

In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
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Message 101459 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 18:49:17 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.
I prefer RAM.

In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?

RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
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Message 101461 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 20:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 101459.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.

I prefer RAM.
In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).
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Message 101462 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:44:13 UTC - in response to Message 101448.  

wear levelling
I don't know exactly how they work,
It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.


Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying.

Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again.
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Message 101463 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:46:47 UTC - in response to Message 101456.  

So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?

Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler.
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Message 101464 - Posted: 23 Apr 2021, 21:48:53 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

size

Every. Single. Day.
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Message 101467 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 1:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 101457.  
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I know what you mean, but I'm finding a lot more improvement than that.
They used to. I remember overclocking a 486 from 20 to 25 MHz, so that's 25% more. But nowadays I find they're already binned to the exact speed they can reliably function, so you can't get much more out of them, not without messing about with hundreds of different settings. I did try the automatic overclocking on my new MB, but.... it actually made it 5% slower, then crashed after 2 hours. I couldn't even boot it into the BIOS after that, I had to press the CMOS reset button.

There's a new automatic overclocking utility for this Ryzen 5800X family (and some earlier ones likes 3700X) called CTR 2.0RC5 which I tried for a few months, but when temps hit a certain limit, the oc would be removed altogether. From about 4500MHz to base clock of about 3500MHz or so. I've given up on it and used my old manual method which keeps it 4500MHz all the time (ish) - so that's about 25% better than leaving it to its own devices.

I definitely haven't got it running right, but I'll have to keep learning and tweaking to get there.
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Message 101469 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 2:17:37 UTC - in response to Message 101458.  

Nah, I wait until it goes red in the file manager, then get round to cleaning it up sometime within the next week or two. It's not full until it's full.
So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?
But since the other option is to put a larger one in, that drive wasn't going to be used anyway.

Why would you wait until it gets into the red when you know that causes alot of thrashing as bits of files are spread out everywhere across the drive causing alot of wear and tear on your drives?


It's automatically defragged.


While you are crunching? That's dangerous. Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them
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Message 101474 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 13:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 101442.  

I've had 1 of the pre_helical_bundles_round1_attempt1_ Tasks do that.
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Same problem on some wus
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Message 101476 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:52:08 UTC - in response to Message 101461.  

You could even setup a swap drive on an SSD or fast regular harddrive and let all the thrashing take place over there.

I prefer RAM.
In a perfect World you could even setup a swap drive in Ram but that would take alot of money in todays World of expensive DDR4 memory. Even DDR3 memory is not cheap when you get up into the 8gb sticks.
What would be the point in making RAM into a disk to be used as RAM?
RAM is much faster than hard drives, or even SSDs.
The advantage of having enough RAM, is that the swap file is barely used (if at all).
Exactly, it's already RAM, doing the above makes it a disk and then RAM again, introducing two overheads for zero gain. It would only work if the RAM you used could not be system RAM for some strange reason, perhaps if it was on another card somewhere, otherwise, best to make it just be system RAM, so the swapfile is never used.
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Message 101477 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 101462.  
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wear levelling
I don't know exactly how they work,
It was literally right there in the post that you quoted.
It did not say how the drive internally replaces broken sectors. But if it was done well, the disk would last for decades, gradually getting smaller.


Honestly, it's about as satisfying to reason with an anti-vaxxer as to do so with you. Your shameless use of non-sequiturs to wiggle out of the corners you paint yourself into would be remarkable if it wasn't so annoying.

Next up: Hucker speculates on my size, again.
Awww are rude jokes upsetting for you?

And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice.

And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work. But you failed to understand it. Your loss.
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Message 101478 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 101463.  

So in essence you are causing your harddrives to die sooner by not taking care of them properly?

Shhh....he's British. It's like trying to reason with a toddler.
Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.
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Message 101479 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:55:26 UTC - in response to Message 101464.  

size
Every. Single. Day.
I was referring to disk capacity. Yet you immediately think of erections.
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Message 101480 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 17:57:30 UTC - in response to Message 101469.  

It's automatically defragged.
While you are crunching? That's dangerous.
Why on earth would it be?

Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them
Well whatever their equivalent is, trimming or something. Windows knows it's an SSD and behaves appropriately.
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Message 101482 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 22:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 101477.  

I am an anti vaxxer.
I'm deeply shocked.


And I stated a very clear explanation of a good way SSDs could work.
Wear leveling, which was referenced in the post you replied to [pssst...peter....he's trying to tell you that what you suggested is already the way that it works] Add reading comprehension to your wish list, Huffer.
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Message 101483 - Posted: 24 Apr 2021, 22:39:44 UTC - in response to Message 101478.  
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Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.
Was I talking about IQ, Mr. Nonsequiter? Hint: no, I was not.


trimming or something
This is really interesting. Please tell us more about how trimming is defragmentation for SSDs.
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Message 101485 - Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 2:40:41 UTC - in response to Message 101480.  

It's automatically defragged.
While you are crunching? That's dangerous.
Why on earth would it be?

Auto defragging of SSD's is bad for them


Well whatever their equivalent is, trimming or something. Windows knows it's an SSD and behaves appropriately.


YES a couple updates ago win10 DID fix it so that it does, before that though, and for those that are not being updated it does not and it did actual defragging instead of trimming. Defragging an SSD wastes time and resources as it's faster than any defragging can help, at least until you get into the 1 and 2TB range anyway. It's like pre-fetching should also be turned off as the SSD is fast enough to overcome any advantage it could make and it just wastes drive space.
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Message 101488 - Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 6:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 101477.  

And I am an anti vaxxer. It's my body and my choice.

Simply.....no.
Vaccine is not ONLY a personal choice, but also a community choice.
Protect you and OTHER people.
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Message 101489 - Posted: 25 Apr 2021, 6:43:46 UTC - in response to Message 101478.  

Actually the average British IQ is 2 higher than the USA.

Actualy the average Italian IQ is 2 higher than British (and 4 than USA).
So can i say that you are not smart? No.
IQ is, for me, almost crap.
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