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Message 101181 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:47:09 UTC - in response to Message 101133.  

Maybe it has something to do with the recent SSL post they posted on the Forum News.
Maybe every client instance has to manually reset the URL like months ago.
I don't really know, but you are right, the project is in risk of losing a lot of WUs if they don't attest to this issue.
Keep the faith in this project!
What post do you refer to? I can't see one in the news section of the forums, apart from the 200 post long thread from last year.
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Message 101182 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:50:10 UTC - in response to Message 101134.  

Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.
What causes it to switch to local settings?

My bet is, accidentally pressing the button to see what it does, not noticing anything immediate, then shrugging, followed by not remembering some years later whether you pressed the button or not for that host (puts hand up)
Where is this button? I've never seen it. I assumed that it changed mine to local because I changed a local setting - eg the buffer size.

It's at the very top of Computing Preferences - above all the tabs.
I know what you mean - it's so obvious I go blind to it
The reason I didn't see it is I don't use that horrid black and white neanderthal Boinc Manager, I use Boinctasks. If Boinctasks didn't exist, I wouldn't be running Boinc.

I never changed it to local, I would have remembered doing that, especially since I've installed Boinc on new machines recently. So I guess it changes to local the first time you input a local setting.

And yes, I subconsciously ignore anything bright, larger, flashing, etc, as it's probably an advert.
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Message 101183 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:52:07 UTC - in response to Message 101135.  

I allocate 28Gb from 32Gb total
They don't need the RAM. If they run, they generally use 300Mb, not 5 or 6Gb each. It's more than a bit crackers.
Once you've started them, I wonder if Boinc adjusts to what they're actually using, or leaves the requested 6.5GB there just in case? You could see what happens if you try to run only Rosettas.
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Message 101184 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:54:10 UTC - in response to Message 101142.  

When I was a teenager,


If you're THAT old, you shouldn't be getting hot flashes every time someone says "dude."
Why not? It's a word for teenagers to use, no matter when they were born. I'm no longer a teenager unfortunately.
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Message 101185 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:55:00 UTC - in response to Message 101143.  

There’s nothing we can do about it

We could ritualistically sacrifice a chicken, and then sprinkle its blood and entrails on @Peter Hucker.

The best part is, none of the staff of the nursing home would believe that it happened, when it's reported by the other residents.
Stating "when I was a teenager" only implies I'm at least 20.
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Message 101186 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 16:56:35 UTC - in response to Message 101144.  
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They have to be taught at some time. Which activity do you think they are allowed to do first? Or do you think that they can start both at the same time, with no tests of what the are doing works properly?

Christ...
What? It's a valid point. Why would you think a biologist knows about the code?
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Message 101187 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 17:00:36 UTC - in response to Message 101148.  

Name ajzjTxIe_YBAABB_ABYBB_AAAAAAXB_AAY_CGGGGGGCCGGGGGCGGGGGGGGCGGGC_1-4_2-5_3-6.pdb_0001_abinitio_1_abinitio_SAVE_ALL_OUT_1389656_916_1

It seems to be the work units that have names that look like someone fell asleep at the keyboard
or a tin o fizzy stuff gon sticky keys that are the worst
with over 800 of the whack job units in my Error list,
that's is a lot of duff guff to clog up the data base and turn it into more of a septic tank.
I sent an email like that, or rather my cat did. The cat I found a new home for when it decided the monitor was a toilet. Cost me money and you leave.
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Message 101188 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 17:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 101154.  
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Hopefully it means something to someone somewhere.
Ah: divided by a common language… :-⁠)
Perfectly comprehensible this side of the pond.

tin o[f] fizzy stuff = can of soda
duff = defective
guff = nonsense

Also “septic tank” is occasionally used as rhyming slang for “Yank”, but I don’t think that’s what’s meant here.

Lol! Too much information.

Wrt whether that's what was meant, I didn't think it was wrt the slang. I thought it was wrt to the CGCCGGG stuff in the task names

Isn't that genetic code? I've assumed it was. Whether it is or not, it's only important it means something to them, not to us.

Unless they're too dumb to understand what they're naming means - far be it for me to exclude all possibilities...

I was going to say that, but what about the Y B and X?
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Message 101190 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 17:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 101173.  

same here, 10x C4s waiting for work due to the 6GB requirement.
Hopefully soon there will be a lot of tasks for the small computers available.
In the meanwhile i let them crunch WCG.
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Message 101191 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 18:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 101190.  
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I have never seen such easy Rosettas. They all under 500 MB on 50 Ryzen 3000 cores (Ubuntu 20.04.2).
But there is always WCG.

PS - Even less on Win10. Under 200 MB on 10 Ryzen3600 cores.
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Message 101194 - Posted: 9 Apr 2021, 23:38:49 UTC - in response to Message 101191.  

I have never seen such easy Rosettas. They all under 500 MB on 50 Ryzen 3000 cores (Ubuntu 20.04.2).
But there is always WCG.

PS - Even less on Win10. Under 200 MB on 10 Ryzen3600 cores.

Those may be taking advantage of a way that compilers often organize the compiled code. The read-write sections cannot be shared between tasks, but all the tasks running can share a read-only section.
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Message 101195 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 2:14:02 UTC - in response to Message 101183.  

I allocate 28Gb from 32Gb total
They don't need the RAM. If they run, they generally use 300Mb, not 5 or 6Gb each. It's more than a bit crackers.
Once you've started them, I wonder if Boinc adjusts to what they're actually using, or leaves the requested 6.5GB there just in case? You could see what happens if you try to run only Rosettas.

I've speculated that's the case too. Demand a maximum amount to start, then let the task decide once it's running.
I cleared all the problem tasks on my laptop before by setting NNT to Rosetta & WCG and only when all other tasks had completed did my problem task start.

That was a while ago.

Now I've got another one problem Rosetta task. I've suspended all unstarted Rosetta tasks, set NNT again, kept my last few WCG tasks so that as each of the 3 running Rosetta tasks finish, it switches to less-demanding WCG tasks to see if enough RAM is freed up.
If it isn't, let the WCG tasks complete as well until there's only the one problem Rosetta task.
If it runs, fine. If it doesn't, abort it.
What a performance...
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Message 101196 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 2:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 101188.  

Hopefully it means something to someone somewhere.
Ah: divided by a common language… :-⁠)
Perfectly comprehensible this side of the pond.

tin o[f] fizzy stuff = can of soda
duff = defective
guff = nonsense

Also “septic tank” is occasionally used as rhyming slang for “Yank”, but I don’t think that’s what’s meant here.

Lol! Too much information.

Wrt whether that's what was meant, I didn't think it was wrt the slang. I thought it was wrt to the CGCCGGG stuff in the task names

Isn't that genetic code? I've assumed it was. Whether it is or not, it's only important it means something to them, not to us.

Unless they're too dumb to understand what they're naming means - far be it for me to exclude all possibilities...

I was going to say that, but what about the Y B and X?

1) I don't know
2) It's none of my business and doesn't impinge on me or anyone else in any way
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Message 101197 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 2:20:57 UTC - in response to Message 101186.  

They have to be taught at some time. Which activity do you think they are allowed to do first? Or do you think that they can start both at the same time, with no tests of what the are doing works properly?

Christ...
What? It's a valid point. Why would you think a biologist knows about the code?

When you're in a hole, stop digging
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Message 101199 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 6:26:51 UTC - in response to Message 101186.  

What? It's a valid point. Why would you think a biologist knows about the code?

All the cool kids who work on projects like this one, using proprietary software, know how to code, grandpa. Like just about everything else in life, some are better at it than others. Some are experienced and others are not.

SiDock@home is chugging along merrily on most of my boxes. I'm getting the memory appetite notice on the boxes with less than 8gb of RAM. One box scooped up some projects for Rosetta@home, so the comment that they are squeezing out a few every so often seems to be correct.
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Message 101205 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 16:17:29 UTC

Over the course of this afternoon I’ve had 6 segv errors, all on files starting miniprotien.

Anyone else? Or do I start checking my hardware?
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Message 101206 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 16:26:02 UTC - in response to Message 101205.  

Over the course of this afternoon I’ve had 6 segv errors, all on files starting miniprotien.

Anyone else? Or do I start checking my hardware?

I got a signal 11, but nothing about a segv.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1365882560
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Message 101207 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 17:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 101191.  

I have never seen such easy Rosettas. They all under 500 MB on 50 Ryzen 3000 cores (Ubuntu 20.04.2).
But there is always WCG.
WCG are not getting any tasks from me. Their admins are too arrogant.
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Message 101208 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 17:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 101195.  

I allocate 28Gb from 32Gb total
They don't need the RAM. If they run, they generally use 300Mb, not 5 or 6Gb each. It's more than a bit crackers.
Once you've started them, I wonder if Boinc adjusts to what they're actually using, or leaves the requested 6.5GB there just in case? You could see what happens if you try to run only Rosettas.

I've speculated that's the case too. Demand a maximum amount to start, then let the task decide once it's running.
I cleared all the problem tasks on my laptop before by setting NNT to Rosetta & WCG and only when all other tasks had completed did my problem task start.

That was a while ago.

Now I've got another one problem Rosetta task. I've suspended all unstarted Rosetta tasks, set NNT again, kept my last few WCG tasks so that as each of the 3 running Rosetta tasks finish, it switches to less-demanding WCG tasks to see if enough RAM is freed up.
If it isn't, let the WCG tasks complete as well until there's only the one problem Rosetta task.
If it runs, fine. If it doesn't, abort it.
What a performance...
If it's too big, I run it on a bigger machine. My PCs have 8, 8, 8, 16, 36, 36, and 64GB.
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Message 101209 - Posted: 10 Apr 2021, 17:20:51 UTC - in response to Message 101196.  

Hopefully it means something to someone somewhere.
Ah: divided by a common language… :-⁠)
Perfectly comprehensible this side of the pond.

tin o[f] fizzy stuff = can of soda
duff = defective
guff = nonsense

Also “septic tank” is occasionally used as rhyming slang for “Yank”, but I don’t think that’s what’s meant here.

Lol! Too much information.

Wrt whether that's what was meant, I didn't think it was wrt the slang. I thought it was wrt to the CGCCGGG stuff in the task names

Isn't that genetic code? I've assumed it was. Whether it is or not, it's only important it means something to them, not to us.

Unless they're too dumb to understand what they're naming means - far be it for me to exclude all possibilities...

I was going to say that, but what about the Y B and X?

1) I don't know
2) It's none of my business and doesn't impinge on me or anyone else in any way
Sometimes they're interesting. There's the drhicks ones. Some Universe tasks said "on_error" which is rather pessimistic. I wonder what Rosetta's "save all out" means?
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