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robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1230 Credit: 14,178,114 RAC: 1,048 |
We had an interruption in power here last night (it happens), and when I got up this AM I found one of my hosts was completely dead. So, I restarted it and when I got into BOINC, I am finding that every task that I download aborts for "Computational Error" within about 20 seconds. The last dozen I received also failed within 25 seconds. All of them had log files mentioning a missing file with 6mers in its name. It looks like the project staff contains some students who still need lessons on how to read the task log files and correct any errors they find. |
DizzyD Send message Joined: 23 Nov 20 Posts: 6 Credit: 1,438,330 RAC: 0 |
Maybe we are all just waiting for the resurrection of this project? Isn't that what Easter is all about? |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1640 Credit: 16,824,871 RAC: 11,520 |
The last dozen I received also failed within 25 seconds. All of them had log files mentioning a missing file with 6mers in its name.And only being able to get 2 new Tasks at a time it's going to take a long time for all of these duds to be cleared out. My maximum Tasks per day & the number of errors i'm returning are rapidly approaching each other. At this rate no one will be able to get more than a couple of Tasks (when some that can be processed without error are eventually released) because they will have used up all of their Maximum Tasks per day credit. It'll take 8 hours to return a valid result (with luck) & then bump up the limit to a couple of Tasks, Another 8 hours to return some more Valid results, and bump up the limit by a few more Tasks. It's leading to an extremely ugly mess. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1640 Credit: 16,824,871 RAC: 11,520 |
Ignore the …_abinitio_1_abinitio_… tasks; lots of people are reporting problems with those.Of the ones i have had, i have 6 running, and 475 - so far - that errored out in seconds. Grant Darwin NT |
[VENETO] boboviz Send message Joined: 1 Dec 05 Posts: 1982 Credit: 9,230,406 RAC: 4,461 |
Ignore the …_abinitio_1_abinitio_… tasks; lots of people are reporting problems with those.Of the ones i have had, i have 6 running, and 475 - so far - that errored out in seconds. So errors are in: - _abinitio_1_abinitio_ - 6mers Practicaly, all wus!! |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2087 Credit: 40,639,753 RAC: 4,834 |
But, of course, during this holiday period people here expect to demand the creation and issue of sufficient work to serve at least a third of a million tasks per day to the world at large, with no respite. Everything running great last night. Got up to see 3 remaining running tasks and the entire rest of my cache with the Computation errors we've all now seen. So much for rushing through fresh tasks. Slower and more sure may be the better policy. Took WCG off NNT. 217 tasks came down... That should certainly provide some breathing space |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.What causes it to switch to local settings? |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
It's true all the ones that came through to my larger machines all say under 700MB RAM. Maybe they can occasionally need a lot more so they're playing safe and not crashing small machines with them?It is a problem when a Work Unit says it it will need 6+GB of RAM, when it really only needs 300MB (or less), as that results in almost a third of the projects computing resources becoming unavailable.It seems the RAM problem is not yet solved. I just updated Rosetta now and got the same complaint about needing 6 GB of RAM and only having 3 GB.It's not a problem, it's just some tasks needing more RAM. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
You can always set SiDock to 0 priority, then it will only get that if Rosetta is broken.This is why i reduce my cpu time in this project...I used to run Rosetta by itself. Now I run SiDock too (both at 100%) and don't have to worry about switching anything. By the way it's not percent. I can set priorities to add up to any number. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
I must agree with Brian, pretty disappointing that I have yet to see a project admin come in even acknowledging there is an issue. I'll give it to the end of the week. If it doesn't appear anyone is working on the problem I'll most likely drop Rosetta and look for a different project to donate processing to.Why do you expect them to spend time talking to us instead of working on the programming and science? If things go wrong, they'll notice when they don't get the tasks sent back completed, then they'll fix it, they need it fixed so they can get the science done. all you need to do is check in here to see if any other volunteers are experiencing the same problem. If we all are, then it's not your end at fault. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
Seeing as it seems to be whining season for the excessively-entitled it might be worth making myself as popular as usual by stating the obvious that I can't be the only one aware of.Well put. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
Me, I have obsessive-compulsive tendenciesThen keep them to yourself. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
Apparently that's illegal. When I was a teenager, everyone had seen the Pamela Anderson with a horse video. Seems we're getting prudish nowadays.You’re missing some prerequisite system libraries (glibc-2.27) |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2087 Credit: 40,639,753 RAC: 4,834 |
Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.What causes it to switch to local settings? My bet is, accidentally pressing the button to see what it does, not noticing anything immediate, then shrugging, followed by not remembering some years later whether you pressed the button or not for that host (puts hand up) |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2087 Credit: 40,639,753 RAC: 4,834 |
It's true all the ones that came through to my larger machines all say under 700MB RAM. Maybe they can occasionally need a lot more so they're playing safe and not crashing small machines with them?It is a problem when a Work Unit says it it will need 6+GB of RAM, when it really only needs 300MB (or less), as that results in almost a third of the projects computing resources becoming unavailable.It seems the RAM problem is not yet solved. I just updated Rosetta now and got the same complaint about needing 6 GB of RAM and only having 3 GB.It's not a problem, it's just some tasks needing more RAM. What I noticed earlier today was, I had 3 good tasks running and 11 came down. As they began to run for 10 or 15 seconds before erroring out, 3 more than the existing 3 would run at a time with the others saying "Waiting for memory" As each crashed out, one of the waiting-for-memory tasks would start running until crashing out. And so on until they all had. So that's 6 tasks running at a time from 28Gb of memory allocated to Boinc. SIX! The vast majority of people won't stand a chance at that rate. I'd need 75Gb of free RAM allocated to Boinc to run on all 16 cores. Never going to happen. Up to yesterday I seemed to be running 16 tasks comfortably within 28Gb. No idea what's going on now. Bizarre. |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
Where is this button? I've never seen it. I assumed that it changed mine to local because I changed a local setting - eg the buffer size.Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.What causes it to switch to local settings? |
Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 11,302,781 RAC: 1,110 |
If the program needs the RAM, there's nothing they can do about it, unless they go back in time and find the real programmers who could write a game that ran in 48KB. Chances are some of the tasks will have less of a RAM need, and you'll get a decent mix. Or you get some from another project at once.It's true all the ones that came through to my larger machines all say under 700MB RAM. Maybe they can occasionally need a lot more so they're playing safe and not crashing small machines with them?It is a problem when a Work Unit says it it will need 6+GB of RAM, when it really only needs 300MB (or less), as that results in almost a third of the projects computing resources becoming unavailable.It seems the RAM problem is not yet solved. I just updated Rosetta now and got the same complaint about needing 6 GB of RAM and only having 3 GB.It's not a problem, it's just some tasks needing more RAM. And why have you only got 48GB? I have 64 out of an allowed 128. |
Breno Send message Joined: 8 Apr 20 Posts: 30 Credit: 12,517,926 RAC: 4,635 |
Maybe it has something to do with the recent SSL post they posted on the Forum News. Maybe every client instance has to manually reset the URL like months ago. I don't really know, but you are right, the project is in risk of losing a lot of WUs if they don't attest to this issue. Keep the faith in this project! |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2087 Credit: 40,639,753 RAC: 4,834 |
Where is this button? I've never seen it. I assumed that it changed mine to local because I changed a local setting - eg the buffer size.Unless you have set it to use local settings, it will use whatever you have set in your account's Computing preferences section.What causes it to switch to local settings? It's at the very top of Computing Preferences - above all the tabs. I know what you mean - it's so obvious I go blind to it |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2087 Credit: 40,639,753 RAC: 4,834 |
If the program needs the RAM, there's nothing they can do about it, unless they go back in time and find the real programmers who could write a game that ran in 48KB. Chances are some of the tasks will have less of a RAM need, and you'll get a decent mix. Or you get some from another project at once.It's true all the ones that came through to my larger machines all say under 700MB RAM. Maybe they can occasionally need a lot more so they're playing safe and not crashing small machines with them?It is a problem when a Work Unit says it it will need 6+GB of RAM, when it really only needs 300MB (or less), as that results in almost a third of the projects computing resources becoming unavailable.It seems the RAM problem is not yet solved. I just updated Rosetta now and got the same complaint about needing 6 GB of RAM and only having 3 GB.It's not a problem, it's just some tasks needing more RAM. I allocate 28Gb from 32Gb total They don't need the RAM. If they run, they generally use 300Mb, not 5 or 6Gb each. It's more than a bit crackers Anyway, new news. I grabbed another few tasks while WCG is mainly running and they all seems new and running normally without crashing. I think the hint dropped pretty heavily when every task got sent back un-run. Things are happening whether they say so here or not |
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