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Message 64736 - Posted: 2 Jan 2010, 19:06:38 UTC

I wrote Apple computer about putting Boinc software as part of its operating system package. And would hope others here would do the same for Apple and Microsoft. I really think that if it was part of the package with some information about it. More people would join, especially if they can choose what application they want boinc to run. I guess I am saying is that if anyone else here agrees with me. Please email or write these companies, so that one day Boinc software can be a part of the operating system when you buy it.... Just my opinion....
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Message 64739 - Posted: 2 Jan 2010, 21:21:49 UTC

I'd prefer the Windows 7 approach of including more links to download additional software, but not cluttering up the memory and the disk drive with programs that the user never runs. Some of the machines with the least memory are likely to NEED this approach in order to allow Windows 7 to fit on the machine at all.

I wouldn't object to including BOINC on the DVDs used to install the operating systems, as long as it's not installed until the user makes some effort to ask for it.

Also, what do you intend to do with those operating systems for which no BOINC version is available?
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Message 64742 - Posted: 3 Jan 2010, 0:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 64741.  

I'd prefer the Windows 7 approach of including more links to download additional software, but not cluttering up the memory and the disk drive with programs that the user never runs. Some of the machines with the least memory are likely to NEED this approach in order to allow Windows 7 to fit on the machine at all.

I wouldn't object to including BOINC on the DVDs used to install the operating systems, as long as it's not installed until the user makes some effort to ask for it.

Also, what do you intend to do with those operating systems for which no BOINC version is available?



Boinc I hope would evolve to other operating systems in time. And adding boinc to the DVD is exactly what I meant. But give the user some information with the DVD, to give the newbie a brief outline of what it does and so forth. Not familiar with window 7 though, but to have boinc option on all operating systems one day would of course be ideal.
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Message 64747 - Posted: 3 Jan 2010, 12:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 64739.  

I'd prefer the Windows 7 approach of including more links to download additional software, but not cluttering up the memory and the disk drive with programs that the user never runs. Some of the machines with the least memory are likely to NEED this approach in order to allow Windows 7 to fit on the machine at all.

I wouldn't object to including BOINC on the DVDs used to install the operating systems, as long as it's not installed until the user makes some effort to ask for it.

Also, what do you intend to do with those operating systems for which no BOINC version is available?


I too would like to see Boinc on the OS dvd's! But as for OS's that don't have a Boinc version available, there probably aren't any Projects that can use them anyway right now. Maybe a future grant proposal could be to have Boinc on the dvd's and then see how many people A) actually install it and B) continue to run Boinc after x amount of time. However a very stable version of Boinc would be needed, not these things that are getting upgraded twice a week!
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Message 64777 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 11:27:15 UTC - in response to Message 64739.  

Also, what do you intend to do with those operating systems for which no BOINC version is available?

BOINC is available for the most important OS. Only for some very exotic OSes are no binaries available. Have a look at the BOINC third party site boinc.berkeley.edu/download_other.php...
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Message 64785 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 16:21:54 UTC

I agree that it should be included as a link in operating systems.

If I had more programming experiance in low level languages, I would try to write an OS just for BOINC projects. Mainly because several other tasks run within current os's while boinc gets the majority of resources. I would take the old pc's I have in storage and run those oses on them, maybee make a solor dedicated power supply to run them 24-7-365.

I've also tried to find other platform software for PSP/PS3/XBox/etc... to run BOINC, without much success.

Same with cell phones, although it would drain the battery fairly fast.

There is another processor by Parallax "Propeller" that has 8 32-bit cores, it's cost is roughly $12 us, and can make for a neet embeded boinc cruncher, it just needs to be made. I presume you would need to have a real time clock and maybee a math co-processor (like this one) in the system too. It would be faily inexpensive.
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Message 64794 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 20:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 64785.  


If I had more programming experiance in low level languages, I would try to write an OS just for BOINC projects. Mainly because several other tasks run within current os's while boinc gets the majority of resources. I would take the old pc's I have in storage and run those oses on them, maybee make a solor dedicated power supply to run them 24-7-365.

Is Dotsch/UX (www.dotsch.de/Dotsch_UX) the direction you would like to have ?


I've also tried to find other platform software for PSP/PS3/XBox/etc... to run BOINC, without much success.

Yes. PS3 and Xbox are very special cases. The Xbox due M$ propertary and the PS3 due the Cell CPU architecture. The cell architecture requires a complete rewriting of the code for the cell CPU to utilize the full potential.
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Message 64799 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 22:35:58 UTC - in response to Message 64794.  

Is Dotsch/UX (www.dotsch.de/Dotsch_UX) the direction you would like to have ?


I will give it a try tonight. Is source available?
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Message 64800 - Posted: 4 Jan 2010, 22:38:56 UTC - in response to Message 64799.  

Is Dotsch/UX (www.dotsch.de/Dotsch_UX) the direction you would like to have ?


I will give it a try tonight. Is source available?

Yes, it's a complete Linux (Ubuntu based) distribution specialy for BOINC.
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Message 64815 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 9:50:39 UTC

I seriously doubt about a future integration of BOINC in any OS.
First of all It can only be a link and not directly installed on the OS (For update problem, firstly)

But also, BOINC can reduce the life length of a computer if this one is not well design.
For a laptop, as it is the same OS usually than for desktop, using BOINC can cause a lot of trouble.
Furthermore, using BOINC, can increase the loudness of the computer (Because of the fans)
Using BOINC can even slow down the computer (if not enough RAM)

For all these reasons and much more, I think BOINC will never be implemented in any OS.

The user/admin and only him, has to install BOINC on his computer.

But a link is a good choice as Windows 7 or Linux.

Unfortunatly I guess it would be difficult to add this link in Seven.
(Because, then what not adding a link for this software or that one, etc..)
But if there is a real demand, may be they can do something...
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