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Message 49363 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 1:59:49 UTC

Hi,
I'm upgrading to a Apple Mac Pro MA356LL/A Intel Xeon 5150 2.66GHz with 3gigs ram. Plan on running bootcamp so I can dual boot, and will probably partition for Linux as well.

I did a site search but couldn't find any posts about running Bootcamp/XP Pro and Rosetta on a mac so if anyone has some input I would appreciate it. My macs that I have running RH don't get the credit like my Win boxes, so I'm thinking about running it on the XP boot.
Waste of time? If so I'll run Eisenstein.
Thanks for any input. I posted this on the other message board with no response, so I'm trying it here.
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Message 49365 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 4:16:45 UTC

My experience with Bootcamp is second hand and those I know who have used it are not distributed computing fanatics.

Having said all that, my understanding is that Bootcamp works quite well, and that XP runs just fine on the intel Macs.
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Message 49371 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 9:00:45 UTC

i think the intel macs get very similar credit when running any OS. I think it's the PPC based macs that get low credit in comparison.
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Message 49374 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 16:38:03 UTC
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To semi-quote a MAC commercial I just watched.

"The fastest Vista computer tested by (fill in the blank) this year was a MAC".

:-)

Should work fine.

BTW, I am a PC, not MAC user, but if I had the money, I think I would be part of the converted masses at home. At work, I am a Microsloth Sys Admin, so that is where I am coming from.

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Message 49381 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 16:56:15 UTC - in response to Message 49374.  

To semi-quote a MAC commercial I just watched.

"The fastest Vista computer tested by (fill in the blank) this year was a MAC".

:-)

Should work fine.

BTW, I am a PC, not MAC user, but if I had the money, I think I would be part of the converted masses at home. At work, I am a Microsloth Sys Admin, so that is where I am coming from.


Thanks all for the input shared. I'm either going to run it on XP or possibly Linux. Not in it for the points but for the crunch, the more you do the more results for the project. I shake my head when I see a little Sony DC laptop I have crunching twice the amount of my G5 2.5 dualie. We'll see how the new one does in a few days.
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Message 49382 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 16:57:16 UTC - in response to Message 49381.  

To semi-quote a MAC commercial I just watched.

"The fastest Vista computer tested by (fill in the blank) this year was a MAC".

:-)

Should work fine.

BTW, I am a PC, not MAC user, but if I had the money, I think I would be part of the converted masses at home. At work, I am a Microsloth Sys Admin, so that is where I am coming from.


Thanks all for the input shared. I'm either going to run it on XP or possibly Linux. Not in it for the points but for the crunch, the more you do the more results for the project. I shake my head when I see a little Sony DC laptop I have crunching twice the amount of my G5 2.5 dualie. We'll see how the new one does in a few days.


then ill suggest using linux, takes less use of your cpu then MS dous, so more cpu+memory to crunch (l)
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Message 49391 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 18:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 49382.  

Hasn't there been a lot of linux issues lately? I know they are with stopping, starting and changing between projects, so I figure there would be more issues on a laptop.

Nothing against Linux, love it, but I think it is something to think about in THIS project.

To semi-quote a MAC commercial I just watched.

"The fastest Vista computer tested by (fill in the blank) this year was a MAC".

:-)

Should work fine.

BTW, I am a PC, not MAC user, but if I had the money, I think I would be part of the converted masses at home. At work, I am a Microsloth Sys Admin, so that is where I am coming from.


Thanks all for the input shared. I'm either going to run it on XP or possibly Linux. Not in it for the points but for the crunch, the more you do the more results for the project. I shake my head when I see a little Sony DC laptop I have crunching twice the amount of my G5 2.5 dualie. We'll see how the new one does in a few days.


then ill suggest using linux, takes less use of your cpu then MS dous, so more cpu+memory to crunch (l)

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Message 49396 - Posted: 4 Dec 2007, 20:11:30 UTC - in response to Message 49391.  

well linux dousn't do graphics (yet). and if your just running rosie, (wich i recomend (A) ) it has no problems switching from projects. and just make shure everything is up to date, espesceally BOINC client.
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Message 49515 - Posted: 9 Dec 2007, 6:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 49374.  

To semi-quote a MAC commercial I just watched.

"The fastest Vista computer tested by (fill in the blank) this year was a MAC".

:-)

Should work fine.


Going fine, first 24 hr break in and the duals are showing up and running 4 WU.

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Message 49516 - Posted: 9 Dec 2007, 6:34:39 UTC - in response to Message 49515.  

I've been running rosie on a Mac Pro 2.66 xeon machine booted to win xp for over 6 months without a single problem.

Crunch away:)
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Message 49525 - Posted: 9 Dec 2007, 9:17:19 UTC

Still not understanding why not running the native OSX/Intel app.
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Message 49535 - Posted: 9 Dec 2007, 15:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 49525.  

Still not understanding why not running the native OSX/Intel app.

Not quite sure what you meant, can you elaborate on this?
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Message 49571 - Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 16:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 49535.  

Still not understanding why not running the native OSX/Intel app.

Not quite sure what you meant, can you elaborate on this?

Rosetta has an OSX/Intel application. Why not use it? Why go to the trouble to run another OS on you Mac, just to use a Win or Linux app?
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Message 49572 - Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 17:13:14 UTC - in response to Message 49571.  

Still not understanding why not running the native OSX/Intel app.

Not quite sure what you meant, can you elaborate on this?

Rosetta has an OSX/Intel application. Why not use it? Why go to the trouble to run another OS on you Mac, just to use a Win or Linux app?

Because from what I have seen RH on the Mac platform does not credit enough vs
the Windows platform. IMHO if I can burn through and produce more results to help out the project then I'm going to run the one that is the better performer.
Now if it runs as fast as the XP, then I'll run it when booted into the Mac OS.
It all boils down to this: Simply a matter of choice, namely mine.


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Message 49577 - Posted: 10 Dec 2007, 18:34:48 UTC - in response to Message 49572.  

Because from what I have seen RH on the Mac platform does not credit enough vs
the Windows platform.


Ah. I know this to be true with the OSX/PPC. Are you seeing this with OSX/Intel too?

FYI, even windows and linux apps are under-credited to some degree too.
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Message 49724 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007, 16:17:43 UTC - in response to Message 49577.  

Because from what I have seen RH on the Mac platform does not credit enough vs
the Windows platform.


Ah. I know this to be true with the OSX/PPC. Are you seeing this with OSX/Intel too?

FYI, even windows and linux apps are under-credited to some degree too.


I ran RH on the OSX partition overnight and noticed a points difference compared to RH on the XP partition. Now with Intel pros shouldn't they be pretty much the same?
Check out my stats on this box-both Darwin and XP.

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Message 49734 - Posted: 16 Dec 2007, 21:27:53 UTC

The processors are the same (pretty much) and it's down to the OS & compiler.

Since the OS-X Compiler should compile with all sort od modern switches are it's targeting Core2 processors err, you would think it would run a touch faster.


Anyone know what compiler they use ?
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Message 49739 - Posted: 17 Dec 2007, 3:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 49734.  

The processors are the same (pretty much) and it's down to the OS & compiler.

Since the OS-X Compiler should compile with all sort od modern switches are it's targeting Core2 processors err, you would think it would run a touch faster.


Anyone know what compiler they use ?


Here's from the Ni site, comparing the two platforms.
http://stats.kwsn.net/host.php?hostid%5B%5D=686121&hostid%5B%5D=694609&proj=rosetta

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