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Message 32376 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 2:17:07 UTC

At http://www.hyper.net/ufo.html I've prepared a collection of the best UFO sites, photo and video galleries, TV documentaries, books, papers, research studies, possible UFO physics/science, declassified document archives etc.

The "truth" really is "out there", but you do have to seek and persist through a mountain of nonsense.

I hope the abovementioned page will be helpful in that regard.

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Message 32412 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 17:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 32376.  

At http://www.hyper.net/ufo.html I've prepared a collection of the best UFO sites, photo and video galleries, TV documentaries, books, papers, research studies, possible UFO physics/science, declassified document archives etc.

The "truth" really is "out there", but you do have to seek and persist through a mountain of nonsense.

I hope the abovementioned page will be helpful in that regard.


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Message 32933 - Posted: 19 Dec 2006, 22:55:19 UTC

If you have an interest in the UFO subject, I think it'll save you a lot of time, which you'd otherwise spend trying to "separate the wheat from the chaff".
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Message 33047 - Posted: 21 Dec 2006, 15:55:36 UTC

lol, I assumed you may have thought you where in the Seti@home forum and posted by accident.

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Message 33559 - Posted: 27 Dec 2006, 19:04:18 UTC
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Actually SETI and UFO research are separate subjects and there is a bit of an "antagonism". Both SETI and UFOlogy agree that life exists outside of Earth, but with a crucial difference:

The premise of SETI is that the extra-terrestrials can't possibly be coming here (or else we would have seen them, there would be alien artifacts in science museums etc) and therefore we should try to eavesdrop, to survey the sky for possible transmissions from remote civilisations, to detect them.

UFOlogy (actually the branch which embraces the ETH) suggests that ETs are already here, i.e. that SOME UFOs are alien craft and that the Extra-Terrestrial Visitation (ETV) is the explanation for some of the over 100K reported UFO sightings over the past 50yr. And that the scientific community should take more interest in the subject.

Furthermore, SETI is presented as science, whereas UFO study as pseudo-science.

Most people, including many of those who participate in SETI@home, don't realise this difference (I didn't myself until a few months ago).
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Message 36028 - Posted: 3 Feb 2007, 3:08:18 UTC



Question!!

when do you think UFO'S will make their world wide showing!
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Message 36105 - Posted: 4 Feb 2007, 17:52:28 UTC

UFO's appear every day. Any object that appears to be flying but is not readily identifiable is a UFO to the observer.

Some people are happy to accept these aparitions as alien, some, me included, simply accept that the observer was not sufficiently qualified to identify the object/phenomenon.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.
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Message 36119 - Posted: 4 Feb 2007, 20:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 36105.  
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UFO's appear every day. Any object that appears to be flying but is not readily identifiable is a UFO to the observer.

Some people are happy to accept these aparitions as alien, some, me included, simply accept that the observer was not sufficiently qualified to identify the object/phenomenon.


Actually, the definition of UFO (as used by people interested in the subject) is:

"A UFO is the reported sighting of an object or light seen in the sky or on land, whose appearance, trajectory, motions, lights and colors do not have an obvious conventional or natural explanation, and which cannot be explained, not only by the original witness, but by scientists or technical experts who try to make a common sense identification after examining the evidence." -- Center for UFO Studies


BTW, Center for UFO Studies was established by astronomer Dr J Allen Hynek, the past Chairman of the Astronomy Department of Northwestern University. He served as the scientific consultant to US Air Force's official UFO investigation Project "Blue Book" and did field-investigations and talked to claimed UFO eye-witnesses for 21 years (between 1948-1969).

Unlike the "armchair theorists" who offer their opinions (and these mostly belong to the "skeptical side" in my experience).

PS: I think the page I've prepared (http://www.hyper.net/ufo.html) gives quite a bit of info on the UFO subject, for one to decide whether there is really something to it, or if it's all just a mix of misidentifications and hoaxes... Obviously reflects my own biases.
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Message 36125 - Posted: 4 Feb 2007, 22:37:37 UTC

not to make fun of your UFO interest, but how real is Art Bell in the states with his UFO chatter late at night?

seems a bit on the far fetched side, but he gets good ratings.
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Message 36178 - Posted: 6 Feb 2007, 0:10:41 UTC

Well, I don't listen much to radio, much less US radio, but to quote Art Bell himself (from ABC TV channel Peter Jennings Special on UFOs): in the radioshow one can listen to "some of the most informed UFOlogists, some of the best scientists, and some of the craziest people you'll ever meet". So basically, guest quality varies very widely.

I have downloaded (from ED2K P2P) and listened to some of C2C radioshows with guests such as Michio Kaku (NYU), Friedman, Shostak (SETI), Greer, Bob Lazar and Corso and I'd describe him as a "non-confrontational radio host", not an "investigative reporter" who would confront his guest with hard questions.

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