We've tried to make it pretty clear, and add explanitory comments to our deletions in hopes that people would simply reword their posts so they do not require moderation. This takes considerable time on the part of the moderators and so I wanted to name a few ways to assure your post will be deleted.

We're being very strict these days about our definition of "flamebait". And since we have to delete the responses to flamebait, endure the criticism of what we've done, and somehow try and preserve the continuity of the thread, we wanted to spell it out for you so you will understand.

Any of the following:

Name calling: direct, indirect, past tense, doesn't matter. So things like "overclaimers", "cheaters", "zero RACers", "the "c" word", in short the best way to refer to someone is by their handle name shown above their avitar. And to do so only to point out that you are following up on one of their ideas, thoughts or questions.

Contrary to popular belief, opinions are not only allowed, but welcomed on the boards. Just express them without belittling, berating, of otherwise insulting anyone.

Inappropriate language, that'll get you every time. And, that's right, it doesn't matter if you've got 100 words that are on-topic and constructive, just one slip of the fingers and you post will be deleted.

[edit] Teams. I almost forgot to mention that, until things settle down, the mere mention of a team name will probably warrent a "flamebait" label. Team references are viewed the same as individuals, no namecalling, belittling etc.

If you feel these very basic guidelines are too limiting, please join the discussion about starting another message board elsewhere.

So, from this point forward, if your post is deleted, and your EMail says "see thread 2300", well, that's our way of saying you stepped outside these simple guidelines. And if you feel otherwise, and post as much in the same thread, your comments are off-topic and will also be deleted. The only appropriate place for such comments about deleted posts is in the moderators contact thread.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

[edit] Teams. I almost forgot to mention that, until things settle down, the mere mention of a team name will probably warrent a "flamebait" label. Team references are viewed the same as individuals, no namecalling, belittling etc.

EXCUSE ME?

We are not allowed to mention team names anymore?

Does that mean we need to take them from all the signatures?

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

If you see a reference to thread 2300 in your EMail about why your post was deleted, then it may be because you've referred to a team name in an inappropriate mannar. If you find your signiture is getting all of your posts deleted, and your signiture has nothing offensive or that otherwise requires moderation, you can take the issue up with us in the moderators contact thread.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

What happens when a moderator calls people Irrational? Is that name calling a flame bait ?

This is a post by MOD DE:

Yes it is, and it is my opinion as a Mod. The new credit system was scrutinized over many threads and nobody (and here I mean nobody) could disagree that the new system is at least "somewhat" fairer - at least nobody who was argumenting rationally.

This is an insult and flame-baiting without question : He is calling those who not agree with him non rational . So if the moderating here were consistent and applied uniformly , his flambeing should have been deleted and moderated out .

When he was challenged , he or another moderator deleted all references to the challenge . So are we going to assume Flambeing by moderators is allowed?

The part in red contains a misstatement of fact. I miss read the thread where I challenged the moderator in question and did not see that the post where I challenged are still there.

I apologize for stating what I have marked in red. My opinion that DE flambeed many people with his post stands.

Jose, I don't mean to pick on you, but your post illustraits some of my point here. I hope you don't mind if I use it to further explain.

You posted twice, and quoted yourself. I deleted the first post as a "doublepost" since it was entirely quoted in your second. This should not be seen as a moderator disagreeing with you, nor feeling your first post was a bad one. It's a small way to keep the boards cleaner.

I could delete your post as being "off-topic" here. It belongs in the moderators contact thread in the cafe. I could "move" your post there, but that often takes it all out of context, so it might actually be more helpful of me to just delete it, and allow you to review your messages and copy/paste the pertenant parts in to the contact thread. So, again, deletion doesn't indicate disagreement with your point, or a sense that anyone is a bad person. But, sometimes it just seems the solution that allows everything to be revised in a way that will make sense.

Using my own criteria, I have to agree with you. The phrase " - at least nobody who was argumenting rationally." doesn't NEED to be there to make their point. And it is demeaning to anyone that might attempt to argue against their point.

Now, what can I as a moderator do about it? If I leave your post, it has quoted the offensive content and so removing the original poster's post wouldn't clean things up. I could rewrite their post, quote it, and post it as a new one, but this will throw things out of time order, I have no way to drop my new post in to the same thread position as the one I'd be attempting to delete.

The original post was in another thread, which you've not sited, so now I've got to hunt that down and try to locate it. Once I find it, it will often be quoted by other users who made different points about it. If I am to follow this through and remove all of the copies of the demeaning comment, I may end up either with an hour of work, or deleting a whole string of related posts, or, well, it might just be best to delete a whole thread and start over. These are the types of reasons we do such things. Not because we want to, not because we feel any need to censor what opinions are express. I just hope that by seeing what we've got to work with that people will better understand our call for contributors doing their own revisions, and not presume that THEIR post was singled out and deleted.

I will pass along your comment to Mod.DE and point out that we as moderators need to be even more careful of what we post. I hope you will find that a satisfactory response to your point.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

I personally empathise with you Sense but not having the tools to be able to do a job of work properly is causing the problems. User`s have put this issue forward time and again ........

Perhaps your comments would be better in the thread " We need a new forum"

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

We're all working with what we've got. It's good enough to delete your repeated reposting of your deleted content. And it only really gets messy when the posts require moderation.

I hope the new forum you create will meet your needs and eliminate the need for Rosetta moderators.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

It's good enough to delete your repeated reposting of your deleted content.

It didn`t deserve deleting, therefore was put back. Labelling with a political tag does not warrant deletion, imho, call me Liberal!

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

I will refrain from calling you anything. But will again reemphasize that if you have an issue with moderation, that you should take it up in the moderator's contact thread. If you prefer to take up the issue in a less public fashion, then there is the moderator's EMail address as well. All of the moderators now have access to that EMail account, so you can put "attn: Mod.xxx" in your subject if you like.

Reposting content which was explicitly deleted by a moderator is not going to make your point that your deleted post has merit. But posting a rational note in the contact thread just might.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

No no no, banning words that are apt and not offensive is wrong, whilst you may want me privately to take that up and get nowhere, some of us were discussing the niceties or not of the word, that too was deleted although none of it was offensive.

I can imagine how nicely the mods talk about me behind my back, would they give me a fair hearing ? Especially as I stated they acted in a *"fa**istic" manner which would mean absolutely zero chance.

*None allowable word meaning authoratively dictatorial.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

It's good enough to delete your repeated reposting of your deleted content.

It didn`t deserve deleting, therefore was put back. Labelling with a political tag does not warrant deletion, imho, call me Liberal!

The deliberate exteme slander of other people as nazi or fascist is something completely different from labeling with a political tag, it's plain insult.

Saenger the last time we debated this it got deleted.

So I`ll keep it simple just for you...

You`re wrong!

From dictionary.com

Fascist

a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

fascist



<jargon> Said of a computer system with excessive or annoying
security barriers, usage limits, or access policies.


I did NOT mention or bring up Nazi, you did and it is out of context!

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Saenger the last time we debated this it got deleted.

So I`ll keep it simple just for you...

You`re wrong!

If you don't want to understand others, don't blame them for your incompetence!
It's an insult, full stop.

And as long as plain facts like "overclaimimg" are being labeled as insults, there can be no debate aboute such sledgehammers.

Saenger you need to go beyond your deeply held Nationalistic guilt.

Someone in authority who acts in a dictatorial manner is said to behave fascistically or in the manner of a fascist. This is plain English which is my Mother tongue, the fact that you may misinterpret may not be your fault. Someone who acts in a fascistic manner does not necessarily goosestep and wear a black uniform.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

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I am a forum moderator! Am I?

You see? When you converse without directing words AT each other nothing got deleted. But again, another point, being ON-TOPIC. Defining any given F-word and debating it's usage has nothing to do with how to get a moderator to delete your post. ...well, except that it meets the criteria, because it is not the topic being discussed, and so is off-topic.

...are we understanding each other?

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

but if that's the case using the word is correct.

It is name-calling, whenever it is used to describe a person, a group, or whatever. In this thread, it's being used indirectly. It pushes towards the edge of "flamebait".

It's not a word we need to see on posts, regardless of the nationality of the poster, nor those referred to by the term. And as you point out, it's a loaded word for some people that may invoke a very emotional response... hence, should be avoided.

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Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense

Mod. Sense.....Mod.De banned the word outright and deleted all post`s it contained.


It was being used as an adjective to describe behaviour by Mod.De, therefore he was acting in a F way but I did NOT state he was a F.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

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Mod. Sense.....Mod.De banned the word outright and deleted all post`s it contained.

Because you called the mods to be fascist - I interpret this as an insult. The discussion about the term fascist which started after your post was meaningless without your post and off-topic as well. Why should we discuss the term fascist in the number cruncing section of the Rosetta Boards. In fact, why are we discussing our understanding on the boards? Only because you reject discussing this per email and thus force the whole community to watch our stupid misunderstanding unfold.

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I am a forum moderator! Am I?

Because as all know I would not get a fair hearing privately.

Here`s the post

Mod.De said :
If someone constantly repeats accusing the staff and the mods of being morons we need to act.

I said :
Show me where this occurred ? Biased, heavy handed, acting in a fascist way but not morons!

This attempt at defence by lying shows the truth!

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.