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Message 22718 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 16:48:06 UTC
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Here's a question that doesn't have to do with points!

I have an old computer that was running Einstein and Predictor. There are its stats:

http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=703698

I picked those two projects because I only crunch 4 projects (Predictor, Einstein, Rosetta, and LHC), and those two projects had low RAM requirements.

With Predictor down for awhile I want to add a 2nd project to the computer in case Einstein ever has a problem.

Can that computer run Rosetta? It doesn't have much RAM, and I don't want it to freeze up or anything. It's a dedicated crunching box, sitting there with just a power and network connection. However, I don't want to cause any problems with it since it works well.
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Message 22720 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 16:53:20 UTC

I have a similar computer, and it runs fine, so...
(https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=118843)
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Message 22723 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 16:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 22720.  

I have a similar computer, and it runs fine, so...
(https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=118843)


That computers has 3x the memory though :)
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Message 22726 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 17:10:02 UTC

I'm not sure I'd want to run XP on it's own with 127MB of RAM! :-) You could probably get a cheap stick of ram on eBay which would beef it up quite a bit.

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Message 22751 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:13:45 UTC

I've run Rosetta on a 266 MHz PII with 256 Mb of RAM (This was back when the project recommended 512.), and it did just fine. I set the run time to 24 hours. On some large proteins, it might only get 2 or 3 models done, but it always made the deadlines. It was a dedicated 24/7 cruncher running Linux, though, so draw your own conclusions.

You've got about twice the processor (with a faster FSB and all that other fun stuff), but half the RAM. The main issue (as I see it) is how much swap space you have. I'm not sure how to check it in XP, but if it's large enough, you should be okay. Your hard drive will just have to work a little harder. The PII had a 512 Mb swap partition, if I remember correctly.
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Message 22754 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:19:49 UTC

I found that computer for $5.95 at a thrift store a month or so ago.

It was the property of a local school district but had never been used. The inside of the case was dust-free and the XP installation was untouched.
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Message 22755 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:21:38 UTC
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no, it can't, I'm sorry.

check here: https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah_requirements.php
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Message 22760 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:36:02 UTC

128MB of RAM is really not enough for Rosetta.

You might consider SIMAP. It's a very worthwhile protein related project that uses very little RAM.
http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/
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Message 22761 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 22754.  

I found that computer for $5.95 at a thrift store a month or so ago.
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That's an amazingly good deal :-)


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Message 22765 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 18:46:17 UTC - in response to Message 22754.  

I found that computer for $5.95 at a thrift store a month or so ago.

It was the property of a local school district but had never been used. The inside of the case was dust-free and the XP installation was untouched.


Hi Matt,

Great question. I don't think that your computer can run Rosetta with the current requirements. What sort of RAM does it use? If it uses PC100, I have an extra 128MB stick that I could mail to you. Send me an e-mail if you'd like it and I'll get your address.

Maybe this will start some sort of spare parts swap that will allow people to upgrade computers with spare parts to be able to better run Rosetta. I know that I have a couple of other parts around the house that would be much better served in all of your computers than sitting in a drawer in my house.
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Message 22772 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 19:11:43 UTC - in response to Message 22765.  

I found that computer for $5.95 at a thrift store a month or so ago.

It was the property of a local school district but had never been used. The inside of the case was dust-free and the XP installation was untouched.


Hi Matt,

Great question. I don't think that your computer can run Rosetta with the current requirements. What sort of RAM does it use? If it uses PC100, I have an extra 128MB stick that I could mail to you. Send me an e-mail if you'd like it and I'll get your address.

Maybe this will start some sort of spare parts swap that will allow people to upgrade computers with spare parts to be able to better run Rosetta. I know that I have a couple of other parts around the house that would be much better served in all of your computers than sitting in a drawer in my house.


That's very generous, but I don't know what kind of RAM it uses.

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Message 22773 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 19:12:38 UTC

Rosetta's formal guidelines are for 256MB. You have half of that. I've heard others post saying they are able to crunch Rosetta just fine on 128MB... but keep in mind they aren't using the machine for anything else.

The project's guideline tries to leave you with a usable system while running the project.
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Message 22782 - Posted: 17 Aug 2006, 19:50:40 UTC

I checked the the computer has PC100 RAM.

A friend said I could replace that with PC133 RAM I had around and I did, from 128 to 384 - now things are faster and now Rosetta is attached to it!

Thanks to everyone for their help, especially James Thompson for his generous offer.
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Message 22923 - Posted: 18 Aug 2006, 6:57:55 UTC - in response to Message 22782.  

I checked the the computer has PC100 RAM.

A friend said I could replace that with PC133 RAM I had around and I did, from 128 to 384 - now things are faster and now Rosetta is attached to it!

Thanks to everyone for their help, especially James Thompson for his generous offer.


No problem. Thanks for running Rosetta, and congratulations on finding such a good deal on a spare crunching machine.
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Message 22939 - Posted: 18 Aug 2006, 7:34:23 UTC

By the way, if its a company built computer, crucial.com should be able to tell you what kind of memory it uses. It might even tell you how many slots there are. Perhaps that can help figuring out about sending parts. I think i have a bag of OLD 32mb ram chips or smthing. Prolly time to throw them out :P
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Message 23512 - Posted: 19 Aug 2006, 17:37:24 UTC

I have a couple of P200's with 128 MB RAM that are crunching (the one with 64MB RAM won't).


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