Thanks for the info. I'm all for a work related credit system as I've been saying for months. This benchmark deal is a joke and a bad one.
Yes, caught the link and read it but after I'd posted here.
Thanks for your time,
Movieman

Hi Movieman

What's your thoughts on the suggestion for the credits being backdated using the new work-done basis so they're consistent as far back as possible?

Whether the credits are back-dated or not, I think the competition will be more intense with the new credit system which can only be a good thing...

I don't like the idea of the work being back dated.
I don't want to say any more until I've seen what the new system will be.
Anything I can add will only cause more flaming in this forum and there's been enough of that already. Let's just say that I have my feelings and they are very strong.
Thanks for your time,
Movieman

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Ok everybody chant -


No Back dating, no back dating, no back dating.

Bad idea.

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SETI.USA

Backdating sounds like a good way to penalize those who run/ran optimized BOINC core clients - but that also sounds like a good way to burn this forum and the project to the ground.

Bad idea.

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"You can't fix stupid" (Ron White)

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Ok everybody chant -


No Back dating, no back dating, no back dating.

Bad idea.

Agreed, lets do it just from scratch ;)
People please, don't complain when the battle becomes a fair one.
I'm a stats addicted person, but prefer a fair battle above extravagant credits from my client.

But at the end we will beat XS (just poking arround ;) )

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The XS team busted their backsides for this project to a degree that I really can't describe here and to have that effort negated would leave a very bad taste in my teams mouth.

Before anyone reads this and heads over there in a rage - nobody proposed "negating" it. They are proposing that all historical credit back to February reflect the new system - credits based on work done. *Huge* difference, and I hope everyone understands that. They have a more accurate measuring stick now, and have the opportunity to adjust credit back 6 months so it reflects how much work you did for the project.

XS will still be way out front, potentially more than they are now depending on how many people fluffed their stats.

If you have any thoughts, please head over to the Ralph forum and post them there.

Here we go again: The cheat accusation. This is getting tired.

I will state it simply: Backdating is changing the rules after the fact. Ex post facto application of any new rules is unfair and it will create a backlash against the project that will make the SETI Brouhaha look like children at play. This is not a threat it is a statement of fact.

Want to negate the old credits for the reasons that moves you: jealousy , or what ever moves you...be open about it. Ask for a freeze the credits levels at the levels there are and ask for start with a Rosetta Phase II with the new credits . And then watch as the top teams remain the top teams and you will find more excuse to whine and rant against them.

Stop the slander of the top teams. Enough is enough.

Ok everybody chant -


No Back dating, no back dating, no back dating.

Bad idea.

Agreed, lets do it just from scratch ;)
People please, don't complain when the battle becomes a fair one.
I'm a stats addicted person, but prefer a fair battle above extravagant credits from my client.

But at the end we will beat XS (just poking arround ;) )

The last time the cows challenged XtremeSystems they ended up in our BBQ Grills. :P

Thanks for the info. I'm all for a work related credit system as I've been saying for months. This benchmark deal is a joke and a bad one.
Yes, caught the link and read it but after I'd posted here.
Thanks for your time,
Movieman

Hi Movieman / Scott (DCManiak)

What's your thoughts on the suggestion for the credits being backdated using the new work-done basis so they're consistent as far back as possible?

Whether the credits are back-dated or not, I think the competition will be more intense with the new credit system which can only be a good thing...

The issue is not going to be one of competition but, of trying to pick up the pieces. The train wreck that will happen should credits be backdated will rival the Titanic, The Hindenburgh and the Exxon Valdez in uglinness.

I certainly don't mean any slander agaisnt any of the top teams, or anyone else. I'm not interested in points, but I'd like to see a measure of work done. Its new, accurate information that hasn't been available before and I don't see why some people are adamant that this information should be suppressed.

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I certainly don't mean any slander agaisnt any of the top teams, or anyone else. I'm not interested in points, but I'd like to see a measure of work done. Its new, accurate information that hasn't been available before and I don't see why some people are adamant that this information should be suppressed.

You use of words is counter to your stated intentions. In this charged enviroment words like "fluff" will generate very negative reactions.

It is not the reality of the new information , it is some of the intended use and some the comments that have been attached to them by some people including the absurdity and unfairness of back dating credits that is being objected.

Its new, accurate information that hasn't been available before and I don't see why some people are adamant that this information should be suppressed.

I don`t think it`s true that people want it suppressed. I think it is still at the test stage and the credits do look kind of radical and not in keeping with what is expected. XS posted his scores on the same machine, with roughly the same time frames per wu, the scores were a lot different to each other this appears wrong to most and certainly radical from anything before. People are questioning the fairness of this system just as people questioned the fairness of using 5.5 (excuse the profanity).

It is Beta, it isn`t correct yet. No one I have seen has blatantly said that they hate the new system, questions are being asked that`s all.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

I don`t think it`s true that people want it suppressed. I think it is still at the test stage and the credits do look kind of radical and not in keeping with what is expected. XS posted his scores on the same machine, with roughly the same time frames per wu, the scores were a lot different to each other this appears wrong to most and certainly radical from anything before. People are questioning the fairness of this system just as people questioned the fairness of using 5.5 (excuse the profanity).

It is Beta, it isn`t correct yet. No one I have seen has blatantly said that they hate the new system, questions are being asked that`s all.

I agree - it definitely needs further testing, but it's opposition to it's release I can't understand. I agree with everything in your post though ;)

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If we think about it in terms of the people behind the credits, behind the machines it easier to see why.

It is a major change to them, like moving home, like having the wife go and buy a complete new wardrobe for you. It is trepidation, fear whatever you want to call it. This is challenging their place in a heirachy if you like to look at it that way.

It`s like your company coming up with a new pay structure but it`s complex and hasn`t been sorted out yet and all the information hadn`t been relayed to you yet as to what exactly you will get in proportion to others.

It`s natural human behaviour, unfortunately fear of an unknown can bring hostility and what is happening is instead of being calming people are shouting " Grow up, there`s nothing to fear".

Crunching is very important to them and their places are hard fought for with many dollars spent. It is the fact they are so dedicated to the project that is causing the arguments as the other side is too. What I feel has happened here is the people, the persona has not been taken into account.

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Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-)

Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.