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Ethan Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 05 Posts: 286 Credit: 9,304,700 RAC: 0 |
From the organizers: Dear CASP7 participants, By now, we are one month into the CASP7 prediction season. Forty three targets have been released during this period of time. That's already the number of targets that were released in CASP3 or CASP4, and approximately half of the number of targets that were released in CASP6. If we can maintain the current flow rate of targets for the next 6 weeks, we will be able to come close to the desired mark of 100 targets by the end of the target release season (July 21). Targets to expire next week: T0293 (Mon, June 12) T0295, T0302 (Thu, June 15) T0300 (Fri, June 16) "Soft" (3-week) deadlines: T0296 (Mon, June 12) T0297, T0298 (Tue, June 13) T0299 (Wed, June 14) T0301 (Thu, June 15) Next week we are planning on releasing targets Monday through Thursday. One of the targets to be released on Monday, T0326, is a quite high sequence similarity target. We will ask our high accuracy assessor to pay special attention to side chain accuracy in predictions for this target. So, please do your best in refining side chains for it. We also want to remind, that majority of targets over some high threshold of sequence identity to a template will undergo a detailed assessment of other features, particularly loops, functional sites, value added over a template, etc. These targets are not specified in advance and threshold will be determined by the high accuracy assessor. We asked our target suppliers to extend public release date for a couple of targets that we wanted to suggest for model refinement (we are planning on having a few more of these by the end of the prediction season). First of these targets, T0288, has expired for prediction today. The experimentalists kindly provided us with the coordinates for T0288 ahead of time. We have started preliminary evaluation of models for this target and hopefully we will be able to determine one of the best models for it according to the GDT_TS score over the weekend. Then we will contact the author of this model and ask him/her for the permission for public release of the model. Then the model for the refinement will be posted at our web site and you will have approximately 3 more weeks to submit your refinement results as regular TS models with one adjustment - target name will need to be specified as TR288 (letter "R" instead of "0" in the target name). We will send you a reminder when the appropriate model is selected for refinement (likely early next week). CASP6 participants might remember that in the previous round of our experiment we asked predictors to submit multi-chain models for a target that was specified by the the experimentalists as oligomeric. Last time we got a very sparse response in this category and therefore, results were not assessed. We decided to give another try to this initiative this round of CASP. Target T0300 was specified by its supplier as a dimer. This target is to expire in a week on June 16. Please, start working on the dimeric model for this target if you plan to submit it (obviously, this option is in ADDITION, not alternative, to the usual CASP one-chain prediction). Format requirements: 1. Only TS-type predictions will be accepted for oligomers. 2. Target record should be in the form TARGET T0300 OLIGOMER 3. Each monomer should be identified as a separate chain, consecutive capital letters for chain IDs should be used (in this case A and B). 4. Residue numbering in each chain starts from 1. 5. No TER or END records between monomers (chains). Please, note that we are currently working on implementing details of this format in our format verificators, so you won't be able to submit oligomeric prediction over the weekend. We hope to have our system ready for accepting this kind of predictions on Monday. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers |
David Emigh Send message Joined: 13 Mar 06 Posts: 158 Credit: 417,178 RAC: 0 |
This "transparency", this immediate sharing of purpose and status is one of the things that, IMHO, increases the loyalty of those donating CPU cycles to this project. Rosie, Rosie, she's our gal, If she can't do it, no one shall! |
tralala Send message Joined: 8 Apr 06 Posts: 376 Credit: 581,806 RAC: 0 |
How exciting! T288 was a relatively small target with only 93 amino acids. I remeber crunching some t288-WUs. Now cross your fingers that Rosetta has provided the best model for it! |
dgnuff Send message Joined: 1 Nov 05 Posts: 350 Credit: 24,773,605 RAC: 0 |
Targets to expire next week: I would, however, gently suggest that we not abort any of these units until we receive an official word from someone at David's Lab to do so. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
E-Mail from the CASP team 14/6/2006 T0295 - forcing "soft" deadline. It is always a pity when a target gets exposed ahead of time. This time this happened to T0295. The target was to be closed tomorrow but we were forced to close accepting predictions for it today because of the early PDB release (2ihr). In this case the 3-week rule is used. All the predictions that reached us within the 3-week period since the target release will be evaluated. All the models accepted after June 12 will be canceled (even if you received the message that the prediction has been accepted, but this happened on or after June 13). Fortunately, many of you took our "soft" deadlines seriously and did submit predictions on this target before its "soft" deadline. 4 targets have been released by the PDB. Besides T0295, three other CASP structures have been released by the PDB this week T0290, T0291 and T0293 (see our target list page). So, you may check now how well you did on these targets. T0288 - refinement. We have finished preliminary automatic evaluation of 3D predictions submitted on T0288. Analysing results, we were "disappointed" to learn that initial modeling went very well leaving not much room for the refinement. Nevertheless, we want to proceed with our initial intention and do suggest one of the best models for this target for refinement. This task is pretty challenging but we can see that there are some details in the prediction that can be improved. The model selected for the refinement can be found following "Refinement" link from Targets section of the casp7 web page. Your refined models should be submitted as regular TS predictions for the target TR288. Target release update. Two last targets for this week will be released tomorrow. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
E-Mail from CASP team 16/06/2006 Bad news first ... It was brought to our attention that a paper was published on CASP7 structure T0294 ( http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jmb.2006.05.018 ). As this happened less than 3 weeks after the target release, we are canceling this target according to our rules. No models will be assessed on this target. This information leak is not a fault of the SG center that provided the target, as the publication is from another group that solved the same protein. Multimers. Besides T0295 and T0300 (already closed), we are accepting multi-chain predictions for T0305, T0308, T0310 and T0332. Please check our web site for format. Targets to expire next week: T0305 (Tue, June 20) T0283, T0308 (Wed, June 21) T0297 (Thu, June 22) T0298, T0313 (Fri, June 23) T0296 (Sat, June 24) "Soft" (3-week) deadlines: T0303, T0304 (Tue, June 20) T0306, T0307 (Wed, June 21) T0309 - T0311 (Thu, June 22) T0312, T0314 (Fri, June 23) -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
David Baker Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 705 Credit: 559,847 RAC: 0 |
E-Mail from CASP team 16/06/2006 we were disappointed that T294 got cancelled, because Vatson and Bin had already put a fair amount of work into it. but fortunately it had not gotten sent out to rosetta@home, so none of you wasted cycles! |
tralala Send message Joined: 8 Apr 06 Posts: 376 Credit: 581,806 RAC: 0 |
Do you know how well you did on T288? Was it the Rosetta model which was too close to the native structure that there was no room left for refinement? What's the first picture of the Rosettapredictions for the already published casp targets? |
dag Send message Joined: 16 Dec 05 Posts: 106 Credit: 1,000,020 RAC: 0 |
Bump. dag --Finding aliens is cool, but understanding the structure of proteins is useful. |
BennyRop Send message Joined: 17 Dec 05 Posts: 555 Credit: 140,800 RAC: 0 |
For Casp6, we didn't find out how the projects did - until a few months after the last submission. So we probably won't find out this year, either.. until well after August. (Although it'd be nice to know ahead of that..) |
David Baker Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 705 Credit: 559,847 RAC: 0 |
For Casp6, we didn't find out how the projects did - until a few months after the last submission. So we probably won't find out this year, either.. until well after August. (Although it'd be nice to know ahead of that..) Yes--this is true. all the hard work is now, and we don't find out for quite a while about how well we did for most of the targets. a few of the true structures have been released, but only for the easy homolog modeling targets, none of which used rosetta@home. so we all have to be patient for a couple of months--it isn't hard for us, as we are being swamped with new prediction targets every day! |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
Target release schedule for 2 next weeks. We will have only 3 days of target release in the week of July 3 (Wed-Fri). To compensate for this, we are planning on releasing targets every weekday (Mon-Fri) next week. Targets to expire next week: T0285, T0286, T0310 (Mon, June 26) T0315, T0316 (Tue, June 27) T0317, T0320 (Wed, June 28) T0322 (Thu, June 29) T0299, T0323 (Fri, June 30) T0324 (Sat, Jul 1) "Soft" deadlines: T0315-317 (Mon, June 26) T0318, T0319 (Tue, June 27) T0321, T0322 (Wed, June 28) T0323-325 (Thu, June 29) Multimers. Three new multimers were released last week: T0338, T0339 and T0343. They are available for prediction in the oligomer format (additionally to the usual CASP monomer prediction). List of other targets for oligomer predictions: T0295, T0300, T0305, T0308 (expired) T0310 (to expire next Monday) T0332 (to expire on Jul 8) Side chain refinement targets. T0326 (already announced) T0340 (released this week) T0345 and T0346 (to be released next Monday) Model Refinement. We are clarifying details of 3 more potential targets for model refinement with the crystallographers. Next week we will issue an announcement if any of these targets proved to be suitabile for refinement. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
Reminding that no targets will be released next Monday and Tuesday. We have 9 targets scheduled for release Wednesday through Friday. An additional target has been released this week for refinement (follow the "Refinement" link from our main CASP7 web page). The other two candidates for refinement were rejected by organizers. Targets to expire next week: T0326, T0328 (Wed, July 5) T0301, T0329 (Thu, July 6) T0309, T0311 (Fri, July 7) T0330, T0332 (Sat, July 8) T0321, T0333 (Sun, July 9) Soft deadlines: T0326, T0327 (Mon, July 3) T0328, T0329 (Tue, July 4) T0330, T0331 (Wed, July 5) T0332, T0333 (Thu, July 6) -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
Dear predictors, Target release schedule for the next 2 weeks: We are approaching the end of CASP7 target release season (July 21). This leaves us with 2 extra weeks to reach the goal of ~100 targets in CASP7. We are pretty much on schedule and plan to release enough targets next week, so that you have at least 3 full weeks to complete predictions (having in mind that the end of the prediction season is scheduled for August 4). Therefore, you should be prepared to receive up to 3 targets per day, Monday through Friday. More definite plans for the week of July 17 will be announced in our weekly update on July 14. Please also note that depending on the next week target supply, we may slightly extend the end of the prediction season (2-3 days max) in order to prevent an overload in the week of July 31 (otherwise we would need to have 5-6 targets/day closing that week). Warning for server groups: We want to remind that the extra 24 hour grace period in addition to the regular 48 hours for accepting server predictions is intended solely to allow correcting any technical errors and not for changing the prediction content. Our policy is to reject the prediction if there exists an evidence that someone attempted to manipulate the deadlines. We may make server corrections public in the future. Side chain refinement targets. T0326, T0340, T0345, T0346 (already announced); T0359 (released this week), T0366 (to be released next Monday). Targets to expire next week: T0303, T0304 (Mon, July 10) T0306, T0307 (Tue, July 11) T0312, T0334 (Wed, July 12) T0314, T0340 (Thu, July 13) T0318, T0319 (Fri, July 14) T0338, T0339 (Sat, July 15) T0341, T0343 (Sun, July 16) Soft deadlines: T0334, T0335 (Mon, July 10) T0338-340 (Wed, July 12) T0341-343 (Thu, July 13) -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
Dear predictors, Today we have closed the facility for submitting targets for CASP7. We are happy to announce that we have reached the goal of 100 targets for prediction in CASP7. As former CASP participants remember, this had been a goal since several CASPs. All in all, we have received 154 submissions of which we selected 104 targets for CASP7, and as of today 98 of these have been released. This means that we are left with 6 targets for next week. We plan to release three targets on Monday, two on Tuesday and the last one on Wednesday. To reduce possible overload in the last week, we are extending the prediction season by 3 days. The deadline for the last CASP7 target will be August 7. At the end of the target release season we would like to thank all the crystallographers and NMR spectroscopists who supported the experiment. Especially big thanks go to the four structural genomic centers (JCSG, MCSG, NESG and SGC) which provided the biggest share by submitting 20+ targets each. The full list of the people/centers submitting targets for CASP7 will be published shortly at the CASP7 target submission page. We also want to thank the PDB for arranging a special mechanism so that the proteins deposited to the PDB with the "CASP" annotation were put on hold for at least 4 weeks. This week we had to cancel target T0377 as its structure had been released by the PDB (2ivy). Second time this season a different crystallography center independently solved and published the structure submitted to CASP. Complete list of targets (13) for oligomeric predictions: T0295, T0300, T0305, T0308, T0310, T0332 (expired); T0338, T0339, T0343, T0346, T0366, T0372, T0375 (valid for prediction). Complete list of side chain refinement targets (6): T0326, T0340, T0345, T0346, T0359, T0366 Targets for high accuracy assessment: Not specified in advance, this will be determined by the assessors. Targets for refinement: TR288, TR308; additional targets are considered. Targets to expire next week: T0345, T0346 (Mon, July 17) T0348, T0349 (Tue, July 18) T0350, T0351 (Wed, July 19) T0325, T0352 (Thu, July 20) T0353, T0354 (Fri, July 21) T0355 (Sat, July 22) T0342 (Sun, July 23) Soft deadlines: T0344 (Mon, July 17) T0347 (Tue, July 18) T0352 (Wed, July 19) T0353-355 (Thu, July 20) T0356 (Fri, July 21) Thanks for reading this far :) -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
All CASP7 targets have been released by now. At the moment we have 100 "uncompromised" targets. The facility for accepting server predictions has been shut down. Tomorrow we are also closing the facility for accepting server corrections. One more target for refinement was added today - please, check our Refinement page. We are considering a few more targets for the refinement experiment. It was brought to our attention that some people have misread instructions posted at our submission page. Specifically, updating an original prediction has been attempted by pasting into text box (1) of the Prediction Submission Form AND specifying the PIN number of the original prediction in field (3). We want to clarify that the PIN-number option should only be used for making corrections to the original model directly on the web page. We have also added a functionality to disallow simultaneous use of any two submission options. Targets to expire next week: T0327 (Mon, July 24) T0331, T0358, T0359 (Wed, July 26) T0335, T0357 (Thu, July 27) T0360, T0362 (Fri, July 28) T0361, T0363 (Sat, July 29) T0364, T0365 (Sun, July 30) Soft deadlines: T0357 (Wed, July 26) T0360-362 (Thu, July 27) T0363-365 (Fri, July 28) -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
Not of much interest unless you are a participant, but for completeness! Today at 19:25. Dear CASP7 participants, I am writing to you from my work account as CASP account is still unreachable. Yesterday, starting from 3 pm we had three power disruptions at the University. And this morning we had a big power failure at the campus again. As a result, all our servers went down. We are working on putting them back. So far only one server is up. Server for accepting predictions is still down. I don't know at the moment whether your predictions sent after 3:30pm PST yesterday reached us or not. More on this later ... Obviously, we will extend deadlines if we won't manage to fire up the accepting server in the closest hour ... -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, Ph.D. Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
... and 20:23. Dear CASP7 participants, We have managed to bring our servers back online. I can see a huge file (~100 MB) with the submitted predictions on the server. So there is a big hope that all (or at least vast majority) of your predictions did reach us but just were not processed. Hope nothing got corrupted with our prediction accepting system and we would be able to restart it pretty soon. Then the predictions should start flowing through our verificators and models should start appearing in the model viewer list. We will extend the deadline for accepting today's predictions for one more day so that those of you who got affected would have a chance to resubmit. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
... and 23:15. Hi again, Our server is currently processing the predictions that were sent to us yesterday evening. I expect it to take several hours to process all the backlog of predictions. Please, do not submit copies of your predictions in the meantime. I will be monitoring the server work and will update you on the status of prediction acceptance in 3-4 hours. At the moment we still have >110 Mb of predictions unprocessed. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
adrianxw Send message Joined: 18 Sep 05 Posts: 653 Credit: 11,840,739 RAC: 62 |
... 02:57. I should, perhaps, point out that the times are the times I receive the e-mail from CASP, i.e. the time here in Denmark. Danish time at the moment is summer time and thus GMT +2 hours. At the moment, our submission server has processed the predictions sent to us by 5:45 am PST. If you sent your prediction by that time and could not see it in the model viewer or did not get an error message - please, resubmit in approximately 3 hours (I estimate the backlog to be completely dissolved by then). Sorry for the troubles. -- Andriy Kryshtafovych, for CASP organizers Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream. |
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