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Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 353 Credit: 1,181,761 RAC: 4,432 |
That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen. Not going to upgrade though :) I still have an AMD Trinity Laptop (A8-4500M) and an A10-5700 APU (Piledriver) but they are not being used. |
Ivailo Bonev Send message Joined: 9 May 07 Posts: 15 Credit: 4,285,869 RAC: 0 |
I don't see any new Ryzen in the CPU list. Hmm... https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
I don't see any new Ryzen in the CPU list. Hmm...Most of them have been bought by scalpers, so unless you want to pay 3 or more times their retail price, it'll be a few weeks or more before they are readily available. And i'm not sure how often that CPU list gets updated. Also once people have them, it takes about 4 weeks of uninterrupted crunching for their RAC to get up to it's nominal levels. So if there are any new Ryzen 3 crunchers doing Rosetta, they'll still be way down in the Top computers listings. Grant Darwin NT |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen.Give it 6 months for stock levels & prices to settle down. Then depending on your motherboard, all it may take is a BIOS update & you could boost your systems performance by double just for it's single threaded performance (not to mention 3 times as many cores & threads) with a new CPU and some faster & higher capacity RAM. AMD Ryzen 5 1400 vs AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Grant Darwin NT |
Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 353 Credit: 1,181,761 RAC: 4,432 |
That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen.Give it 6 months for stock levels & prices to settle down. Then depending on your motherboard, all it may take is a BIOS update & you could boost your systems performance by double just for it's single threaded performance (not to mention 3 times as many cores & threads) with a new CPU and some faster & higher capacity RAM. My motherboard is a B350 chipset. AFAIK, that chipset won't get a BETA update, I wouldn't mind mores :) We'll see. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
My motherboard is a B350 chipset.Oh, so close! Grant Darwin NT |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2105 Credit: 40,928,305 RAC: 18,320 |
It's confirmed, Ryzen 3 leaves Intel behind. I used your other link to compare it to my FX8370 !! Price of the 5600 is still favourable compared to my previous preference of 3700X - I'll need a new motherboard for either one, so that's no more a factor Whether I can stretch to the 5800 or 5900 depends on how long I can hold out with my current machine and whether the prices ease in the new year. Even if not, if I ensure the motherboard for 5600 is compatible with the 5800 and 5900s, I'll have an upgrade path without paying all over again. A sign of how old my current machine is - the oldest CPU my usual supplier now sells is 2 generations on from my current PC I'm thinking I should take the hint |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,070,747 RAC: 5,595 |
It's confirmed, Ryzen 3 leaves Intel behind. Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. It's more of a buy as much as you can afford an be happy with it for as long as possible, just like you did the 8370. That being said there are people willing to buy an 8 core AMD cpu because they are upgrading from a dual or quad core machine. And YES I know about the controversy about the 8370 really being a quad core in disquise. I have several 6 core AMD machines still running that could all benefit from an upgrade to an 8370 for example, though it's not much of an upgrade. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.Rubbish. Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true. Grant Darwin NT |
Falconet Send message Joined: 9 Mar 09 Posts: 353 Credit: 1,181,761 RAC: 4,432 |
If you have an AM4 motherboard, with the first chipsets like the B350 which I have, then you can have the original Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2. I read rumours that even the A320 chipset (first AM4 generation) is running Zen 3 but that's just a rumour. |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2105 Credit: 40,928,305 RAC: 18,320 |
I used your other link to compare it to my FX8370 !! I'm pleased to read Grant's comment wrt the motherboard - that was my impression. I bought myself a (relatively) cheap 8350 CPU last year based on a theory that the better 8370s might have been binned to 9370, but there might be more-overclockable 8350s. Turned out that wasn't one of my better theories, though it works perfectly well. So I currently have a spare 8350 here in the UK with barely a month's use on it. If anyone could use it for a nominal cost+postage I'd be happy to send it off. And when I do decide to upgrade <next year> I'll have the FX8370 on an ASUS M5A99Pro 2.0 motherboard with 16Gb RAM available, probably with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 graphics card too [Edit: I forgot I upgraded the mboard to an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX in May this year, while the FX8370 is running with a 22.5x multiplier and FSB at 216.7 so it's comfortably running at 4876.1MHz 24/7 and RAM tightened to 8/8/8/24/33] |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,070,747 RAC: 5,595 |
Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head. |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2105 Credit: 40,928,305 RAC: 18,320 |
Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. Looking it up, that sTR4 mb is limited, but it supports Threadripper CPUs in the 19xx range <and> 29xx, but not above |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W). The 3900 series CPUs (Zen2) required the TRX4 socket, and although nothing has been announced yet, it's highly likely the yet to be released Ryzen 3 series Threadrippers will also be usable in those existing motherboards. Not as good support as for their main stream CPUs across multiple chipsets, but still way better than Intel to date. Grant Darwin NT |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2105 Credit: 40,928,305 RAC: 18,320 |
So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W). All these systems are new to me - I'm so way out of date. Looking back, I was only looking at compatibility between 5600 and the 5800/5900s. 6C/12T is more than my current 4C/8T and will be plenty good enough initially to get a foothold at that level. In the same way, I have an I3-8350K which is running pretty well atm, but I'll look to upgrading the CPU to the highest level the m/b will handle at some point in the distant future. And my FX8370 is an upgrade from an original FX8120, though tbh my motherboards haven't survived as long as the CPUs at extreme overclocking levels. I need to start over-specing my motherboards in future |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Mar 20 Posts: 96 Credit: 322,693 RAC: 1,374 |
Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. Upgrade your 1920X to a 2920X. You missed out on the great prices late last year and earlier this year. I bought mine at launch for the MSRP of $650. Unfortunately the current prices have rebounded back to almost MSRP. Same socket and memory needed. Just remove the 1920X and drop in the 2920X. There ARE some generational improvements, mainly in higher memory clock capabilities from a better IMC. I run mine all-core at 4150Mhz @1.30V and the 32GB of memory at 3466Mhz CL14. Still no match for my Ryzen 9 3950X with 32GB CL14 3600Mhz memory running at 4250Mhz all-core at 1.25V. But you would need a new motherboard platform for Ryzen Zen 2 or Zen 3. [Edit] Actually, right now Amazon has the 2950X for $590 which is a good deal. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GFN6CVF?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 |
Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Mar 20 Posts: 96 Credit: 322,693 RAC: 1,374 |
So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W). Wait a bit longer for the Zen 3 Threadrippers to arrive. Maybe by the end of the year as that is the same timeframe the Epyc Milan Zen 3 server chips are supposed to arrive. Will use the same TRX40 socket as the earlier Zen 2 Threadrippers but does require a new BIOS to support the new cpus. |
mikey Send message Joined: 5 Jan 06 Posts: 1895 Credit: 9,070,747 RAC: 5,595 |
Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. Thank you Keith!!! |
Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2105 Credit: 40,928,305 RAC: 18,320 |
I'm getting a new PC next week I'm going to commit to this project.Before you spend your money, i strongly suggest you checkout some reviews to see just how well those CPUs perform. Praying is not working. I've had a bad week, PC-wise. A tick down from 4876MHz to 4768MHz needed extra volts to get it stable. Hopefully it stays up for a few days. I'm now wondering if Black Friday is a wiser move. Price is still good, but a 5600X is only available as part of a build into my case with M/board and RAM, not for straight sale, and demand has doubled their build-time to 10 days. Ugh. Anyone have any thoughts on a B550 m/board instead of an X570? I prefer ASUS. I'm deciding between a ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) and TUF Gaming X570-Plus (WI-FI) here |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1663 Credit: 17,329,581 RAC: 24,454 |
Anyone have any thoughts on a B550 m/board instead of an X570?Unless you need PCIe v4 (eg for extreme high speed storage), the B550 would be more than good enough. AMD X570 vs B550 vs A520 Chipset Comparison Grant Darwin NT |
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