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Message 92762 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 16:07:27 UTC - in response to Message 92750.  

I would not recommend F@H on Linux. I just left there because of the issues concerning software dependencies. As much as F@H likes to state their software will run most anywhere (which is why they suggest ignoring dependencies during install), I and others, have found that to not be the case. I never could get FAHControl running on 3 different distributions without having to go back and install deprecated software. If one is running a Long Term Support release of a distribution (which tends to be back-leveled) then the chances are greater that the install will work. It wasn't worth fiddling with. Just one man's opinion of course

I don't know about the other distributions, but it works OK on Ubuntu LTS (16.04 and 18.04). The main problem for me has not been the distributions, but the idiosyncratic FAH default settings. They are OK on Windows, but screwball (no other term) on Linux. It is not that we haven't told them about it in years past, it is just that we have been ignored.

However, for what it is worth, I put in my 2 cents again recently:
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=32124&start=30#p311633
https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=32124&start=30#p311670

I have it on 9 Ubuntu 18.04.4 machines, which I manage remotely over the LAN with HFM.Net running on my Windows machine.

I think that's the trick. To run only LTS releases, which I don't do. The Ubuntu 20.04 LTS release is out in couple of weeks and it's going to be interesting to see if it still works. They may have a new client out by then.
I was able to get the client to run by using the config.xml file to define my slots but it wasn't easy and lot of trial and effort. Apologies for hijacking this thread to discuss another project. This is my last post on this particular topic. Back to R@H
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Message 92763 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 16:07:40 UTC

There is plenty of cpu work on folding today so I'm crunching that until I can bring my cpu's back here, look forward to new work.

I'm new to distributed computing, but I find it ridiculous that there isn't more funding for the organisations and researchers that run this research work.
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Message 92770 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 16:36:22 UTC - in response to Message 92745.  

On 2c, we saw the effect of Charity Engine's arrival a few years ago which pretty much broke the project with the extra demands made on it and complete update on the servers to cope with it, so their return (aside from the others) is going to be another step change.

But when that time, Charity Engine entered in Rosetta@Home with their cpus.
This time seems that they will use gpus (for AI training).
This could be a big step for the project.

Point taken. It's well above my level of competence or understanding so I'll just wait to see how it comes through. I know my limits
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Message 92788 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 18:04:42 UTC - in response to Message 92147.  

Currently, I have 14 machines with 80+ cores and 14+ GPUs. When I switched over to run one of them to Rosetta, from cancer research (WCG), I did NOT receive anything related to covid19. Whenever I would receive ALL WUs for covid19, I will switch over... Till then I will stick with cancer research. Let me know when covid19 is the priority here. I am NOT going to download the fold@home app. If it is not thru BOINC, I do not run it.
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Most Rosetta WUs are coronavirus. And is it that bad if you happen to do other biology research?
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Message 92789 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 18:18:10 UTC - in response to Message 92788.  
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Currently, I have 14 machines with 80+ cores and 14+ GPUs. When I switched over to run one of them to Rosetta, from cancer research (WCG), I did NOT receive anything related to covid19. Whenever I would receive ALL WUs for covid19, I will switch over... Till then I will stick with cancer research. Let me know when covid19 is the priority here. I am NOT going to download the fold@home app. If it is not thru BOINC, I do not run it.
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Most Rosetta WUs are coronavirus. And is it that bad if you happen to do other biology research?


I think they ran out of packets to send. If you look at their status page they have 0 packets in the queue for anything.
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Message 92790 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 18:22:28 UTC - in response to Message 92789.  

Currently, I have 14 machines with 80+ cores and 14+ GPUs. When I switched over to run one of them to Rosetta, from cancer research (WCG), I did NOT receive anything related to covid19. Whenever I would receive ALL WUs for covid19, I will switch over... Till then I will stick with cancer research. Let me know when covid19 is the priority here. I am NOT going to download the fold@home app. If it is not thru BOINC, I do not run it.
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Most Rosetta WUs are coronavirus. And is it that bad if you happen to do other biology research?


I think they ran out of packets to send. If you look at their status page they have 0 packets in the queue for anything.


There will be more soon. They need to look at the results we gave back to create the next set of work units. We're just processing faster than usual as everyone is going nuts over the virus.
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Message 92791 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 18:25:20 UTC - in response to Message 92790.  

Currently, I have 14 machines with 80+ cores and 14+ GPUs. When I switched over to run one of them to Rosetta, from cancer research (WCG), I did NOT receive anything related to covid19. Whenever I would receive ALL WUs for covid19, I will switch over... Till then I will stick with cancer research. Let me know when covid19 is the priority here. I am NOT going to download the fold@home app. If it is not thru BOINC, I do not run it.
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Most Rosetta WUs are coronavirus. And is it that bad if you happen to do other biology research?


I think they ran out of packets to send. If you look at their status page they have 0 packets in the queue for anything.


There will be more soon. They need to look at the results we gave back to create the next set of work units. We're just processing faster than usual as everyone is going nuts over the virus.



Fantastic news. I have 2 more computers being shipped to me this week to help out more!
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Message 92792 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 18:27:24 UTC - in response to Message 92791.  

Currently, I have 14 machines with 80+ cores and 14+ GPUs. When I switched over to run one of them to Rosetta, from cancer research (WCG), I did NOT receive anything related to covid19. Whenever I would receive ALL WUs for covid19, I will switch over... Till then I will stick with cancer research. Let me know when covid19 is the priority here. I am NOT going to download the fold@home app. If it is not thru BOINC, I do not run it.
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Most Rosetta WUs are coronavirus. And is it that bad if you happen to do other biology research?


I think they ran out of packets to send. If you look at their status page they have 0 packets in the queue for anything.


There will be more soon. They need to look at the results we gave back to create the next set of work units. We're just processing faster than usual as everyone is going nuts over the virus.



Fantastic news. I have 2 more computers being shipped to me this week to help out more!


I hope they get the GPU WUs going soon, I have a lot of GPUs.
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Message 92795 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 19:30:54 UTC - in response to Message 92792.  

I hope they get the GPU WUs going soon, I have a lot of GPUs.

No gpu work on Rosetta.
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Message 92796 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 19:41:46 UTC - in response to Message 92795.  

I hope they get the GPU WUs going soon, I have a lot of GPUs.

No gpu work on Rosetta.


Message 92681 in this thread: "c. We are in communication with Charity Engine to possibly use their infrastructure to run GPU machine learning based jobs and to help integrate such capability to R@h."
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Message 92797 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 19:43:18 UTC

A heartfelt welcome to the BOINC Brotherhood that came over from SETI@home! 😀
Repeat after me:
Together we crunch,
to test out a hunch,
and wish we had scores like the best of the bunch!
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Message 92798 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 19:54:55 UTC

Guess it might be a good time to let my rebuilt OptiPlex (Core i5-2400) and HP Pro (Xeon X3470) desktops rest for a bit, my room has become a sauna since I threw them into the project and we haven't un-tarped the air conditioner!
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Message 92800 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 19:58:36 UTC

Wow, I can't get any tasks anymore. Nice for the project I suppose. :)

Not so nice for me, because for some reason (driver/hardware/windows sucking) stressing my CPU actually makes my computer work better. Go figure.
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Message 92801 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 20:15:47 UTC - in response to Message 92798.  

Guess it might be a good time to let my rebuilt OptiPlex (Core i5-2400) and HP Pro (Xeon X3470) desktops rest for a bit, my room has become a sauna since I threw them into the project and we haven't un-tarped the air conditioner!


Don't you run it backwards in winter? And you could open a window :-)
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Message 92802 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 20:44:39 UTC

Hi from Germany!
Not new to BOINC, but new with R@H since... we all know when.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!
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Message 92803 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 20:53:50 UTC - in response to Message 92802.  

Hi from Germany!
Not new to BOINC, but new with R@H since... we all know when.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!


It's not the virus that concerns me, it's the world falling apart due to virtually nobody working. I already find it hard to buy food, a freezer, a home gym, or brewing sugar. Panic is always worse than the actual thing.
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Message 92804 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 21:00:12 UTC - in response to Message 92803.  

Sure, but the only thing you can do, is keeping a cold state of mind. Don‘t panic, and try to calm down the people you‘re with.
The virus is everywhere, so there‘s nowhere to run. No panic needed. ;)
I still have a lot of work, and if I should run out of jobs, I‘ll help to do groceries for those, who are in more danger than me.
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Message 92805 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 21:08:06 UTC - in response to Message 92803.  

Hi from Germany!
Not new to BOINC, but new with R@H since... we all know when.

Stay safe and healthy, everyone!


It's not the virus that concerns me, it's the world falling apart due to virtually nobody working. I already find it hard to buy food, a freezer, a home gym, or brewing sugar. Panic is always worse than the actual thing.


The world won't fall apart. We as a human race will prevail and overcome this, and I really really hope, many volunteers will stay with Rosetta and do work units for years, to maybe help the scientists understand new things about folding and might help to be prepared for the next pandemic. Since 2000 every decade China gifts the world some respiratory virus, and there is/was Ebola/Zika. We are more fragile than we think folding is a good way for the average joe to contribute to the fight.

Just keep your head down. 4-6 weeks and Europe will overcome the first wave, and we have to hope and give all the help to the science to get a therapy or a vaccine, while Covid is in retreat, because as the best minds see, there is a good chance it will emerge in the autumn.
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Message 92809 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 21:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 92804.  
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Sure, but the only thing you can do, is keeping a cold state of mind. Don‘t panic, and try to calm down the people you‘re with.
The virus is everywhere, so there‘s nowhere to run. No panic needed. ;)
I still have a lot of work, and if I should run out of jobs, I‘ll help to do groceries for those, who are in more danger than me.


I don't panic, which is why I haven't bought 5 times my normal food shop and made everyone else do without. Same crap happened when one of the UK's oil refineries went on strike. There wasn't a shortage of petrol until people thought there might be, filled up all at once, and then there was a shortage. There is no accounting for human stupidity - Albert Einstein.

And there is somewhere the virus isn't - the open countryside. But apparently I'm supposed to take exercise from my front door and not travel elsewhere. No thanks, I'll go running in the middle of nowhere, not down the street meeting hundreds of others.
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Message 92815 - Posted: 31 Mar 2020, 21:55:55 UTC - in response to Message 92803.  
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It's not the virus that concerns me, it's the world falling apart due to virtually nobody working.

That is not unreasonable. At some point, you have to allow the less-vulnerable (whoever they are) to get back to work in some limited form, with the attendant health risks.
If the economy stops entirely, it will be hard to restart.

You would think that given the inevitability of viruses and pandemics (and they can be far worse than this one), that governments would have stockpiles of face masks, gloves, ventilators, and whatever.
It would cost a very (very) small fraction of what we spend on defense in the U.S. Also, they should have run computer models for various scenarios on how to keep the economy from seizing up.

Did they do that? Fat chance. Maybe China did. They seem to be managing it the best.

PS - Maybe you can read this. I think the NYT is making some things available without a subscription.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/21/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-by-country.html
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