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Message 104410 - Posted: 22 Jan 2022, 19:28:22 UTC - in response to Message 9860.  

The update process is a mess. This is what I'm offered:

Rosetta@home: Notice from BOINC
You are attached to this project twice. Please remove project named
Rosetta@home, then add https:''bopinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta." (1)

Rosetta@home: Notice from server
VirtualBox is not installed (2)

Is this helpful? NO IT IS NOT. For example, #1, "Please remove project named Rosetta@home" -- oh really? And how am I supposed to do that? You might as well blandly say "Fly to the moon, and then --" STEP BY STEP, guys! Come on! Remove from what, and by what means?

AND THEN there's example 2: "add https:"bopinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta.""

Add? To what, and how? I don't see it on any list and you thoughtfully don't tell us where to "add" it.

I spent 30 years in computer I&T and I can't figure out your "helpful" instructions. And this is supposed to fix some change (let us not laughingly call it an 'upgrade') that YOU made. How about cleaning up after your "improvements"?
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Message 104426 - Posted: 22 Jan 2022, 21:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 104410.  

The update process is a mess. This is what I'm offered:

Rosetta@home: Notice from BOINC
You are attached to this project twice. Please remove project named
Rosetta@home, then add https:''bopinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta." (1)

Rosetta@home: Notice from server
VirtualBox is not installed (2)

Is this helpful? NO IT IS NOT. For example, #1, "Please remove project named Rosetta@home" -- oh really? And how am I supposed to do that? You might as well blandly say "Fly to the moon, and then --" STEP BY STEP, guys! Come on! Remove from what, and by what means?

AND THEN there's example 2: "add https:"bopinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta.""

Add? To what, and how? I don't see it on any list and you thoughtfully don't tell us where to "add" it.

I spent 30 years in computer I&T and I can't figure out your "helpful" instructions. And this is supposed to fix some change (let us not laughingly call it an 'upgrade') that YOU made. How about cleaning up after your "improvements"?



You don't actually need to do anything regarding the URL. If you want to, though, open BOINC, click on View and Advanced View. Go to the projects tab, select Rosetta@home and click on remove. Then click on tools, add project choose Rosetta@home and add the "s" after http or simply copy paste the URL - https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

Regarding VirtualBox, Rosetta is simply telling you that you do not have VirtualBox installed. VB is necessary for the Rosetta Python tasks but not for the other Rosetta 4.20 tasks.
Currently, there is only Python work available.
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Message 104650 - Posted: 4 Feb 2022, 1:50:37 UTC - in response to Message 104426.  

I have Steve Hoffman's problem too - I get messages about Rosetta, but I have World Community Grid installed instead of BOINC. If I don't have VirtualBox installed (and I don't), how can I have 8 active Rosetta tasks in various stages of completion? The Rosetta URL I have is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta - where do I change it? Do I need to change it?

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Message 104654 - Posted: 4 Feb 2022, 8:46:41 UTC - in response to Message 104650.  

I have Steve Hoffman's problem too - I get messages about Rosetta, but I have World Community Grid installed instead of BOINC. If I don't have VirtualBox installed (and I don't), how can I have 8 active Rosetta tasks in various stages of completion? The Rosetta URL I have is https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta - where do I change it? Do I need to change it?

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- That URL is fine.
- There are 2 types of tasks: Virtualbox based Pythons and standard, non-virtualbox based Rosetta 4.2 tasks, the latter of which is what you are running.
- You only need Virtualbox if you want to run the Rosetta Python tasks.
- These days, Rosetta 4.2 tasks are quite rare.
-The WCG client is fine and it's basically a skinned BOINC client. Virtualbox should work fine with it. With the transition from IBM to Krembil, WCG no longer offers the skinned client but rather a download for the standard BOINC client, version 7.16.11. I suggest you download the latest version from the BOINC website instead since it is more recent and has a few important fixes.
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Message 104657 - Posted: 4 Feb 2022, 21:52:18 UTC - in response to Message 104654.  

Thanks for the explanation; I'm installing BOINC with VirtualBox right now. For the record, the current version of BOINC is 7.16.2. I usually prefer to have the latest version; will BOINC automatically upgrade itself? WCG never has.
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Message 104658 - Posted: 4 Feb 2022, 22:02:53 UTC - in response to Message 104657.  

Thanks for the explanation; I'm installing BOINC with VirtualBox right now. For the record, the current version of BOINC is 7.16.2. I usually prefer to have the latest version; will BOINC automatically upgrade itself? WCG never has.
hedera


BOINC will notify you when a new update is available. It will show up on the Event Log and on the Notices Tab.
You will have to manually download the new version.
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Message 104672 - Posted: 5 Feb 2022, 22:39:53 UTC
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I have a question about VirtualBox. I just got this message:

rosetta python projects needs 11885.31MB more disk space. You currently have 7188.18 MB available and it needs 19073.49 MB.
2/5/2022 8:23:24 AM

The box this is running on has a solid state C: drive which currently has 90 GB free of total 222 GB. The E: drive is a regular hard drive, 1.81 TB, which currently has 1.41 TB free. This looks like an allocation problem, there's plenty of space on both drives. Is there something I can configure to clean this up? Or is there some way to configure VirtualBox to work on the E: drive, which I use for data? Now that I have VirtualBox installed, I have NO Rosetta tasks running.
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Message 104673 - Posted: 5 Feb 2022, 22:41:36 UTC - in response to Message 104672.  

I have a question about VirtualBox. I just got this message:

rosetta python projects needs 11885.31MB more disk space. You currently have 7188.18 MB available and it needs 19073.49 MB.
2/5/2022 8:23:24 AM

The box this is running on has a solid state C: drive which currently has 90 GB free of 222 GB. It also has a regular hard drive, 1.81 TB, which durrently has 1.41



The drive may have plenty of free disk space but is BOINC allowed to use it?
Check the BOINC settings.
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Message 104675 - Posted: 6 Feb 2022, 1:12:10 UTC - in response to Message 104672.  
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I have a question about VirtualBox. I just got this message:
rosetta python projects needs 11885.31MB more disk space. You currently have 7188.18 MB available and it needs 19073.49 MB.
2/5/2022 8:23:24 AM
The box this is running on has a solid state C: drive which currently has 90 GB free of total 222 GB. The E: drive is a regular hard drive, 1.81 TB, which currently has 1.41 TB free. This looks like an allocation problem, there's plenty of space on both drives. Is there something I can configure to clean this up? Or is there some way to configure VirtualBox to work on the E: drive, which I use for data? Now that I have VirtualBox installed, I have NO Rosetta tasks running.

I have been getting those "message from server" for a long time and even after putting boinc on its own 500GB ssd In this system drive `F` , I still get them,
nothing that I have done stops them.
Having boinc on an ssd reduces work unit loading times but hammers it with writes
When re/installing boinc you can chose which drive to put it on using the `advanced` button in the installer window
you can even leave the `program files` part of boinc on `C` drive because nothing much is done with it after boinc starts
see this post
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=104555
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Message 104676 - Posted: 6 Feb 2022, 1:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 104675.  

I have been getting those "message from server" for a long time and even after putting boinc on its own 500GB ssd I still get them,
nothing that I have done stops them.
So i'll say it again.
It doesn't matter how much space you allocate to BOINC with the "Use no more than xxx GB" setting, if your other settings ("Leave at least xx GB" and "Use no more than xx % of total") result in a smaller value. BOINC uses the most restrictive value, not the least restrictive.
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Message 104677 - Posted: 6 Feb 2022, 1:58:03 UTC - in response to Message 104676.  
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I have been getting those "message from server" for a long time and even after putting boinc on its own 500GB ssd I still get them,
nothing that I have done stops them.
So i'll say it again.
It doesn't matter how much space you allocate to BOINC with the "Use no more than xxx GB" setting, if your other settings ("Leave at least xx GB" and "Use no more than xx % of total") result in a smaller value. BOINC uses the most restrictive value, not the least restrictive.

And I will also say it again ,
I have written about this before and stated that I have unticked all the boxes in the `Options` tab `computing preferences` then `Disks` tab of bonic manager
And I have just had a look at the website `computing preferences` page and it also has both tick boxes and `value` boxes , I don't use the website prefs.
so that boinc has unlimited use of the drive, it can be done.
that was months ago , https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=103718
And https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=103740
Edit - though seeing that the disk limit on the websites was a similar 20GB to the "rosetta needs MB" quantity , I have unticked those boxes and set the web prefs anyway even though `local preferences` override web settings just in case something funky is going on.
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Message 104678 - Posted: 6 Feb 2022, 6:25:21 UTC - in response to Message 104677.  
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so that boinc has unlimited use of the drive, it can be done.
If that were the case, then it wouldn't be complaining about the lack of space on a drive that supposedly has what is required and more to spare, available to use.
Have you at any time actually set those values to ones that will give BOINC what it is asking for and then saved them so they actually take effect?



Edit - though seeing that the disk limit on the websites was a similar 20GB to the "rosetta needs MB" quantity , I have unticked those boxes and set the web prefs anyway even though `local preferences` override web settings just in case something funky is going on.
If you de-selected the local Disk preferences, then it would revert to using the web based ones. So deselecting the web based ones may remove the limit on what amount of storage BOINC can use.
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Message 104681 - Posted: 6 Feb 2022, 17:37:44 UTC
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At this moment boinc is using 92GB with 325GB "free available to boinc" on the BM pie chart (rosetta is the only project running)
no disk space is held back for anything else , that disk was put in for and is only used by boinc to see what effect it would have on the disk space messages problem
there is some thing wrong about the `disk space` messages
It makes me think that some part of the rosetta server system runs out of disk space and is then automatically/eventualy cleaned up , old work units or something
When cosmology@home server runs out of disk space on the server , it sends a similar message ,
This has happened a few times over the years , and they did fit more and larger disks to cope , then later had filled them , building the universe on disk takes a lot of space (pun intended :-)
Been and found some posts about it , I know its not quite the same thing
https://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7730&postid=22610
https://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7730&postid=22769
https://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7730&postid=22824
https://www.cosmologyathome.org/forum_thread.php?id=7730&postid=22695
The only other project installed on that system is Milkyway and it is "suspended" as I am not running it [no tasks] and it only uses a small amount of diskspace 19MB
This disk space messages problem , I think its time to start my own thread about it and not muck up other threads with it.
EDIT - Hmmm , there is no `reset to defaults` button on the web preferences
so I am wiling to try anything
and have set local and web prefs to
Use no more than 500 GB`
Leave at least 1 GB free
Use no more than 100 % of total
just to see what happens.
it now states "max disk usage: 464GB" in event log
Had a look at other projects that I have not altered
Use no more than 20 GB
Leave at least 1 GB free
Use no more than 90 % of total
are the defaults
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Message 105657 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 1:26:34 UTC

Been running Rosetta since 2006 with the same account. Wanted to access the web settings and had to log in but the email address is no longer recognised ? Recreated my account but it is, of course, a new user. Haven't been getting any work for a week or 2 but never had this problem before. My Boinc client shows 14,536,596 Work Done and 815.16 Avg work done and Account = TimL
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Message 105658 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 1:50:21 UTC - in response to Message 105657.  
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Been running Rosetta since 2006 with the same account. Wanted to access the web settings and had to log in but the email address is no longer recognised ? Recreated my account but it is, of course, a new user. Haven't been getting any work for a week or 2 but never had this problem before. My Boinc client shows 14,536,596 Work Done and 815.16 Avg work done and Account = TimL

Note that it has been many months since any moderator has shown any sign of even reading any messages here.

Were you at least able to recover the authenticator string for the old account?
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Message 105659 - Posted: 23 Mar 2022, 2:12:01 UTC - in response to Message 105658.  

Guess I shouldn't hold my breath while waiting for a mod then.

I never took any notice of the authenticator keys before, so no.
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Message 105682 - Posted: 25 Mar 2022, 6:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 105659.  

Well looks like all is good now, almost anyway. I gave up and decided to readd project Rosetta as a new user. However it picked up the correct 'work done' and Avg. work done figures. Also picked up my current PC which had been missing in other variations of my account. I noticed the email address in this profile is incorrect - wrong character, but cannot change it as the system says the correct email address exists in another profile. Maybe something one of the missing mods could fix.
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Message 107628 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 18:01:18 UTC

Hello,

I have been trying to run Rosetta. My computer is running the tasks, but Rosetta reports 0 cobblestones of computation.
I've tried to get help through BOINC & virtualbox message boards but no one is helping.

Here is my post. Please help !
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14815
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Message 107629 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 18:01:21 UTC

Hello,

I have been trying to run Rosetta. My computer is running the tasks, but Rosetta reports 0 cobblestones of computation.
I've tried to get help through BOINC & virtualbox message boards but no one is helping.

Here is my post. Please help !
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14815
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Message 107630 - Posted: 1 Nov 2022, 18:01:23 UTC

Hello,

I have been trying to run Rosetta. My computer is running the tasks, but Rosetta reports 0 cobblestones of computation.
I've tried to get help through BOINC & virtualbox message boards but no one is helping.

Here is my post. Please help !
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=14815
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