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Message 54452 - Posted: 12 Jul 2008, 11:28:22 UTC

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Message 54458 - Posted: 12 Jul 2008, 15:25:00 UTC - in response to Message 54452.  
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/science/08comp.html?_r=4&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


that\'s a locked article that you have to subscribe to read
i happen to have an account so that was not a problem.

for those that don\'t have a NY Times account here is another article.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1010-6243360.html?hhTest=1&tag=nefd.top
this computer is a Molecular dynamics research computer.
here is a photo of the processor: http://rssblogster.com/popular_item_display.php?item_id=1909124
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Message 54462 - Posted: 12 Jul 2008, 17:50:22 UTC - in response to Message 54458.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/science/08comp.html?_r=4&ref=science&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


that\'s a locked article that you have to subscribe to read
i happen to have an account so that was not a problem.

for those that don\'t have a NY Times account here is another article.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1010-6243360.html?hhTest=1&tag=nefd.top
this computer is a Molecular dynamics research computer.
here is a photo of the processor: http://rssblogster.com/popular_item_display.php?item_id=1909124

i forgot you have to subscribe when i read it. sorry for any inconvenience..{it is free to subscribe though}
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Message 54472 - Posted: 13 Jul 2008, 14:09:42 UTC
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Well then, how about this ?!


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...the first detailed specifications of the \"Blue Waters\" system IBM is building for the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA).

We\'ve got documents showing IBM going after a 10 petaflop system (peak) comprised of 38,900 eight-core Power7 chips with each chip running at 4.0GHz. This monster will have an astonishing 620TB of memory and 5PB/s of memory bandwidth.

...IBM will rely on a 1.30PB/s interconnect to link the systems and will feed them with 26PB of storage. As if that\'s not enough, IBM will offer an exabyte of archival storage.
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Message 54473 - Posted: 13 Jul 2008, 15:19:49 UTC - in response to Message 54472.  

Well then, how about this ?!


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...the first detailed specifications of the \"Blue Waters\" system IBM is building for the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA).

We\'ve got documents showing IBM going after a 10 petaflop system (peak) comprised of 38,900 eight-core Power7 chips with each chip running at 4.0GHz. This monster will have an astonishing 620TB of memory and 5PB/s of memory bandwidth.

...IBM will rely on a 1.30PB/s interconnect to link the systems and will feed them with 26PB of storage. As if that\'s not enough, IBM will offer an exabyte of archival storage.



lol

I even added a comment to that about it crunching Rosetta.

( I\'m Outcast)

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Message 54958 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 17:13:05 UTC
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Actually, we are in the planning stages of moving our public automatic Rosetta server, Robetta, to BlueWaters. Our present \"Robetta system\" allows scientists anywhere to access Rosetta\'s methods but is brutally over-subscribed. A large number of scientists waiting for the service to return results have given up on us. This has distressed us but we just don\'t have the resources to fill the need. We have been collaborating w/ NCSA to use the cycles in some of their installed clusters to try and knock down the queue length but it has only been partially successful.

So, we\'re going to go big-time on this and see if we can\'t make BlueWaters/Robetta a nearly instantaneous Rosetta service for researchers around the globe. There\'s LOTS and LOTS of scaling issues to be addressed but we\'re looking at them and applying for $$$ to hire some folks to help w/ all of this.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting enough to post a bit about BlueWaters.... we\'ll keep you abreast of our progress along these lines....

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Message 55265 - Posted: 24 Aug 2008, 19:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 54958.  

Actually, we are in the planning stages of moving our public automatic Rosetta server, Robetta, to BlueWaters. Our present \"Robetta system\" allows scientists anywhere to access Rosetta\'s methods but is brutally over-subscribed. A large number of scientists waiting for the service to return results have given up on us. This has distressed us but we just don\'t have the resources to fill the need. We have been collaborating w/ NCSA to use the cycles in some of their installed clusters to try and knock down the queue length but it has only been partially successful.

So, we\'re going to go big-time on this and see if we can\'t make BlueWaters/Robetta a nearly instantaneous Rosetta service for researchers around the globe. There\'s LOTS and LOTS of scaling issues to be addressed but we\'re looking at them and applying for $$$ to hire some folks to help w/ all of this.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting enough to post a bit about BlueWaters.... we\'ll keep you abreast of our progress along these lines....


I think with some improvements on low-latency implementation one could use BOINC for this very well. Turnaround times of a few hours are easily achievable, expecially if one can choose the most relieable hosts in a big pool.
I guess there are no funds for such a low-cost-approach and asking for some millions for a BlueWater-Thingie is much cooler. ;-)
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Message 56257 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008, 20:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 54472.  

Well then, how about this ?!


The Giant

...the first detailed specifications of the \"Blue Waters\" system IBM is building for the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA).

We\'ve got documents showing IBM going after a 10 petaflop system (peak) comprised of 38,900 eight-core Power7 chips with each chip running at 4.0GHz. This monster will have an astonishing 620TB of memory and 5PB/s of memory bandwidth.

...IBM will rely on a 1.30PB/s interconnect to link the systems and will feed them with 26PB of storage. As if that\'s not enough, IBM will offer an exabyte of archival storage.



Awww man! I was all jazzed and proud of my shiny new 2.66 quad core processor with 4 gig of RAM :D
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Message 56266 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008, 4:01:43 UTC
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CERN has recently unveiled its worldwide grid computing system to crunch the 15 PETABYTES that the LHC will spew out yearly (\"Enough information to create a 21-kilometre-high stack of CDs annually.\").

http://michaelgr.com/2008/10/03/cern-unveils-the-worldwide-lhc-computing-grid/

Over a 100,000 CPUs..
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Message 56324 - Posted: 11 Oct 2008, 0:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 54958.  

Actually, we are in the planning stages of moving our public automatic Rosetta server, Robetta, to BlueWaters. Our present \"Robetta system\" allows scientists anywhere to access Rosetta\'s methods but is brutally over-subscribed. A large number of scientists waiting for the service to return results have given up on us. This has distressed us but we just don\'t have the resources to fill the need. We have been collaborating w/ NCSA to use the cycles in some of their installed clusters to try and knock down the queue length but it has only been partially successful.

So, we\'re going to go big-time on this and see if we can\'t make BlueWaters/Robetta a nearly instantaneous Rosetta service for researchers around the globe. There\'s LOTS and LOTS of scaling issues to be addressed but we\'re looking at them and applying for $$$ to hire some folks to help w/ all of this.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting enough to post a bit about BlueWaters.... we\'ll keep you abreast of our progress along these lines....


You may want to see if you qualify for grants from any of these:

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx

http://www.livestrong.org/site/c.khLXK1PxHmF/b.2661097/k.D25F/Research.htm

http://www.iacoccafoundation.org/

http://cms.komen.org/komen/GrantsProgram/index.htm
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Message 56527 - Posted: 30 Oct 2008, 7:03:37 UTC

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Message 56746 - Posted: 6 Nov 2008, 23:58:36 UTC

what ?! my crunching farm isn\'t listed ?!

time for some more purchases of ps3\'s and gpu\'s...
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Message 56748 - Posted: 7 Nov 2008, 0:47:32 UTC - in response to Message 56746.  

what ?! my crunching farm isn\'t listed ?!

time for some more purchases of ps3\'s and gpu\'s...


R@H would be huge with GPUs... having you on the project. lol
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Message 56777 - Posted: 8 Nov 2008, 21:12:42 UTC - in response to Message 56748.  
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look at this one

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081029084044.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/genomics/

what ?! my crunching farm isn\'t listed ?!

time for some more purchases of ps3\'s and gpu\'s...


R@H would be huge with GPUs... having you on the project. lol
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Message 57245 - Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 13:12:08 UTC

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Message 57801 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 11:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 56748.  

what ?! my crunching farm isn\'t listed ?!

time for some more purchases of ps3\'s and gpu\'s...


R@H would be huge with GPUs... having you on the project. lol


Okay let\'s do a purely hypothetical situation...someone wins the lottery and decides to buy a super computer. Which project would be able to keep something like that supplied with work? This one? When I look at one of my pc\'s on this Project I see this \"Maximum daily WU quota per CPU 100/day\". What if someone had a computer that could pump out well over that per day? Would ANY project provide the units to keep up? Obviously there are many, many things a super computer could be used for, but that is not the question here. Can this, or any project, use the kind of resources I am talking about and really use that many results?
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Message 57803 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 12:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 57801.  

i think as a group we only equal about 2 to 3 super computers and we could use many more...but someone that handles computers for a living should answer here........




what ?! my crunching farm isn\'t listed ?!

time for some more purchases of ps3\'s and gpu\'s...


R@H would be huge with GPUs... having you on the project. lol


Okay let\'s do a purely hypothetical situation...someone wins the lottery and decides to buy a super computer. Which project would be able to keep something like that supplied with work? This one? When I look at one of my pc\'s on this Project I see this \"Maximum daily WU quota per CPU 100/day\". What if someone had a computer that could pump out well over that per day? Would ANY project provide the units to keep up? Obviously there are many, many things a super computer could be used for, but that is not the question here. Can this, or any project, use the kind of resources I am talking about and really use that many results?

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Message 57804 - Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 14:24:16 UTC
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mikey, that \"per day\" limit is only the number of tasks that will be sent to machine with zero results returned. So, say you start at square one, you are allowed 100 tasks and have zero. Then download 50 tasks. Every successful task completion reported back doubles the current number of tasks you are allowed to download again, until it reaches the daily maximum again.

And you\'d probably want to set such a machine to run tasks for 24hours (see Rosetta preference for runtime). So, one day\'s limit for one CPU would keep a 100 processor supercomputer busy for a full day (when another 100 would be allowed anyway).

So, not only would a supercomputer have more then one processor, and therefore a many hundreds per day limit, but the normal mix of completions will continue to bump the limit back up.

In short, it would work great! Let\'s try it!
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Message 57810 - Posted: 12 Dec 2008, 10:58:02 UTC - in response to Message 57804.  

mikey, that \"per day\" limit is only the number of tasks that will be sent to machine with zero results returned. So, say you start at square one, you are allowed 100 tasks and have zero. Then download 50 tasks. Every successful task completion reported back doubles the current number of tasks you are allowed to download again, until it reaches the daily maximum again.

And you\'d probably want to set such a machine to run tasks for 24hours (see Rosetta preference for runtime). So, one day\'s limit for one CPU would keep a 100 processor supercomputer busy for a full day (when another 100 would be allowed anyway).

So, not only would a supercomputer have more then one processor, and therefore a many hundreds per day limit, but the normal mix of completions will continue to bump the limit back up.

In short, it would work great! Let\'s try it!


I AM trying but the lottery is not co-operating, yet! This has always been a question of mine for a long time and I REALLY do appreciate the quick response. I am glad that this Project can handle that kind of workload. Thank you and I would love to try it soon!
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Message 57884 - Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 8:40:30 UTC

Actually, I\'m thinking of getting a supercomputer of my own. I read about supercomputers going mainstream, and found a computer that is \"250 times faster than the average PC.\"
Actually, I\'d make great use for a computer like that, such as recording in high fidelity. But one of the first things I would do with it is install BOINC on it.
I was surprised a supercomputer could be that small. I\'ve always imagined them to be large bulky machines.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2007/06/nvidia-tesla-supercomputer-for-1500-to.html
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,24758514-5014239,00.html
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/06/21/nvidia_launches_tesla/

The Tesla supercomputers cost anywhere from $1,500 to over $60,000 depending on how powerful you want it to be. For my purposes, I wouldn\'t need a super- powerful computer.
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