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Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: It's ok now since it started a new task. So now it 2+2 on MOO, 4 LHC (like normal) and 9 single tasks (15) and then 16 is for windows and other stuff.I've never seen a task (including Moo) use two GPUs. I don't have any machines with two identical cards to test it right now, but I'm sure I have in the past and I just got 2 Moo tasks, one on each card. Maybe only Nvidias do it? (I only have AMDs) Are your GPUs identical? 1080 and a 1060TI |
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Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: I use that as well...more for boosting the GPU temp range to run it a bit harder.I find the manufacturer's range lets it go up to 90C and crash. I reduce it to 50C no fan, 70C half fan, 80C full fan. I also reduce clocks on old cards that are tired and crash a lot, but I never increase clocks as that just causes unreliability and busted cards. I also boosted the max power consumption on my Fury from normal to +50% (!) to stop it reducing the clock when thinking hard and it seems happy with it, apart from I melted the power connector, so I soldered the wires directly on, it's working now. I was going to boost it even higher, but if I select the option to exceed manufacturers overclocking specs, it crashes the other card in that machine, even though I'm not overpowering that one. It's ok now since it started a new task. So now it 2+2 on MOO, 4 LHC (like normal) and 9 single tasks (15) and then 16 is for windows and other stuff. |
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Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Then all is well. I use MSI afterburner which gives lovely graphs. I can see temperature and usage of CPU and GPU all at once and adjust Boinc until everything is running most efficiently. I use that as well...more for boosting the GPU temp range to run it a bit harder. But I see the usage graph now as well. I'm pretty much maxed out. 98% on both cards. I forgot it looks at CPU as well. Based on that info, the system is working just under maximum. 98% seems to be a common number. CPU temp with a radiator is also just under max. That's what I built this system to do. Gaming board, hardcore but not pricey CPU. GPU's are second hand. I got a good deal on the 1080 a long time ago, that group sold off all their cards really fast. I'm ok with a 1060 and a 1080. I've spent all the money I am going to on this system and I will just keep it this way until it dies. App_config I have used in the past to limit LHC ATLAS. But then they changed their coding and the app_config was no longer needed. But something isn't adding up: 10/20/2022 2:32:52 PM | Moo! Wrapper | Found app_config.xml 10/20/2022 2:32:52 PM | | Config: use all coprocessors The percentages look the same and the core usage configuration looks the same still. Thats good to see they are looking at that idea for more specific control for idle and non idle systems. |
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Posted 20 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Also noticed that BOINC tasks says MOO is using between 180-190% CPU and maybe TN with Rosetta and FAH is chewing up to much capacity?Your computer's running fine. Your GPU task is getting the 2 CPU cores it needs. The GPUs are most important since they're much more powerful and should always be kept busy. Your remaining CPU cores are shared between the CPU tasks. HWINFO says GPU's are 98% capacity. 15/16 cores are used in BOINC. 1 core is left free for general non BOINC stuff. Though if there was a way that when I am not on the computer to use all 16 and then release one when the computer is in use, then it would be a more efficient use of my system. So I could configure MOO to do like you said for now. I will have to look up the command to do that. |
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Posted 19 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Also noticed that BOINC tasks says MOO is using between 180-190% CPU and maybe TN with Rosetta and FAH is chewing up to much capacity? A couple of TN's are 40 minutes behind in CPU time vs run time. Makes me wonder if TN needs more power. Rosetta is fine, running about 15 minutes behind. Maybe drop TN then. For now, setting it to no new tasks to see what happens after it has completed all the stuff in queue. |
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Posted 19 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Either that or you're running more things than cores. You have 16 cores, but you're using 17 cores (Moo is using two cores, as indicated by task manager saying 12%). The CPU doesn't care, but you should watch your GPU usage, because if the CPU is overloaded, it might not feed the GPU fast enough (depends on the project).FAH both GPU'sMust have been a learning thing. CPU's in the 90s now on TN yeah I keep forgetting gpu uses cpu, but then again figured BOINC or the system would take care of managing that. |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: FAH both GPU's Must have been a learning thing. CPU's in the 90s now on TN |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: FAH both GPU's BOINC 1 GPU at the moment, 15 cores in total allocated to BOINC TN got more work, so more cores as its a new project. MOO is also "new" |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: [quote]TN is only using 29.51%.Do you mean a TNGrid task only uses 29.51% of a CPU core? - Correct. now its at 46.82% |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: So WCG is screwed up, Cosmology as well. What's going on? I went back to MOO. I used to do them long ago, but looks like my account was deleted at some point in time. |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Which I placed in a batch file and told Windows to run at startup and minimised.cd /d e:\Program Files\BOINC :loop boinccmd --network_available TIMEOUT /T 300 /nobreak goto loop what do you call this file? |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: TN is only using 29.51%. GPU grid is done processing. Now just a lucky WCG and a PrimeGrid are running. So whats up with that? Oh and since I was having trouble with WCG GPU, I opened it up to CPU, but still only get GPU if they succeed in downloading. |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research - Can't run this, does not work on my system. Might try again.I don't remember having problems, but they're out of work just now so I can't test, and I haven't run it for so long my tasks aren't in Boinctasks history or server history. I tried looking that up..I don't really understand or know what to do to make downloads retry every 5 mins or something |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: poop? really? Must be a crowd of PC people. Shit is so common in American that it ridiculous. Move that shit, see that shit over there, dumb shit,I got to take a shit, etc. I guess my work in the stage industry and other places I have worked are rough and tough. I don't know anyone that says poop. Well bull fighting is animal cruelty in todays society because the bull is injured and is forced to continue until he's dead. Where as with meat, you shoot them in the head and they are gone in a instant. But I didn't think it was bull meat, I thought it was more the cows that aren't producing a calfs anymore. Then you have to watch out for downer cows that they shove through the system anyway, the cows with brain eating stuff in them, the contaminated foot and mouth cows. Though all this seems to have disappeared. And yeah you country Brits swear more than a drunk American. I noticed Ramsy manages to keep it at PG level, but then when you watch the police interception shows, wow! some really hardcore mouths there. An American cop would be putting the cuffs on and stuffing them in the car for that kind behavior. |
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Posted 18 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Cosmology Denis - he's not creating any work right now and has gone silent. Tasks ready to send 0 Tasks in progress 0 Einstein - new radio waves research by a PhD student - already got that one LHC - constant supply of single core and multicore VB work. - Running ATLAS Milkyway - Got thhis QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research - Can't run this, does not work on my system. Might try again. Rosetta - duh Sidock - got this TN-Grid - genetics _ interesting, will have a look ***Is this CPU or GPU or both?*** Universe - used to run that. WCG - loads of work now, and I've never had a single error you speak of Only getting OPN because I am trying to fill my GPU queue. CPU has enough 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM | World Community Grid | Temporarily failed download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt: transient HTTP error 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM | World Community Grid | Backing off 00:10:09 on download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt (and repeat 15 times) - aborted. They didn't do a blinking thing over night which is normal when they are stalled out with transient. I think I abort more stalled downloads than I do work. Seems to be a GPU task thing. CPU works just fine. Almost thing its time to stuff WCG for a month and come back. Another group that is in over their heads and can't fix stuff. |
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Posted 17 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: For those of you interested in other BOINC projects: So whats left out there for science? Denis is down with a unexpected model issue or something along those lines. WCG is barely getting by and not all projects are online and seem to kick up transient http errors by the dozens. SiDock is the only really new project kicking butt. I run a few other projects as well along with GPU Grid. |
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Posted 17 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Cosmology, I used their fine print to get to the University's Astronomy Department and emailed them asking if they could find the right person for the BOINC side. No response so far. Doubt there ever will be. |
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Posted 17 Oct 2022 by Greg_BE Post: Some BOINC projects are now using a very high initial estimate for the run time, possibly in order to get an especially high priority for their tasks. GPUGRID is one of them. You need to watch how the estimated time to completion drops in order to see if that happened,If that was true, it would only work once. Boinc then adjusts using the duration correction factor. So, no point in a project doing so. I run GPU grid as well. I think what screws up BOINC time remaining is that although it is a GPU task it is running a ton of CPU processes and this backwards running is what BOINC does not understand. I am 80.80% done with the current task in 2 days and 8 hours and 42 minutes, remaining time to completion is 11 days 11 hours and 16 minutes. Somehow that does make sense. |
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