Posts by FluffyChicken

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Problem with BOINC Manager... (Message 49320)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Could you post some parts of the messages tab.


Also you memory is VERY low at 256Mb (222Mb after video has taken it's share)
It may well be Rosetta cannot run in that sometime s anyway, seti should though.
[note to other boinc 5.10.28 in WinXP sp2]

By default boinc should kick in again after some time, though check in the activity menu (advanced view) that it is set to
Run based on preferences & netwrk based on preferences.

If it is you may want to try 'run always' to see if it is a preference that is causing the problem
22) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Spontaneous Suspensions (Message 48358)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Your machines are hidden. Are they Windows? Linux? Mac?

Go to the advanced view to the tasks tab. What is shown for the status? Perhaps "waiting for memory"?

I had this after upgrading to the more recent version of boincmanager. They tended to default to using 50% of memory, so I got work suspended with "waiting for memory". I have the memory setting at 95% when working and 100% when not. Never had a "waiting for memory" since.

These are Windows XP service pak 2 and the status is "Suspended - CPU Benchmarks". I see that when I open advanced view but if I wait a min. or two the task begins to run otherwise it will hang like that indefinately.


Hi, if you unhide your computers we can see more info and help sort it out easier (but it still does not identify you), plus you can tell us which one has the problem.

But as Ace mentioned this biggest problem of the newer version has been the waiting for memory due to the new memory manager. Though I had a memer with a similar problem to you and updating fixed it (if a bug was fixed it it just gave it a kick I do not know ;-)
23) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Team England SETI Sideshow (Message 48352)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Could a moderator move this to the Cafe where we have been told team recruiting goes.
*
(Else we may as well recruit anywhere on this forum)



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Me AMD and Intel, mixed bag. A-XP's, A64, P-M's, PIIIm, considering wither and X2-AM2 or if I can muster the cash out of the air (or acorns :-s ) A C2D or C2Q depening on how cheap I can get motherboards MSI/Gigabyte seem to do some for ~£45.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Good for Rosetta@home? (Message 48248)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by FluffyChicken
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360 unfit, nah... if we can get them, then all the better.. We have a wealth of new computers. It dhoulf be capable of running at 100% no problem else there is a major design flaw ;)

As for PS3, so if F@H has the forfront, what's wrong with jumping on the bandwagon and grabbing 5% of that... 5% more than we had before.


For me though, if we could have a Wii version and interactive screensaver/game that would be great. I would buy on tommorow... Folding with the Wii-mote sound good to me. It would even beat Twister :D
25) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Team England SETI Sideshow (Message 48235)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by FluffyChicken
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It not the ignorance (not sure how it ignorant) or intolerance for the other projects.

It's the coming over here to grab users for a project that already has the power of the rest of the top five projects put together. Of all the project seti is the lowest on the scale of needing new members, seti needs money.
There are talks about other projects without a problem, but just do not come here to grab the members from a project that has far far less power at it's hands.

If you want to grab members, do it in the at Seti forum, at the BOINC forums or other places.

Also all team threads (which this is, an attempt to grab Team England members) should be in the Cafe.


In reality, who cares where BOINC came from... it a Berkerley funded project which has had input by lots of people who have no accociation to Seti@home.
(you could also say we owe it to United Devices if you're talking history)

26) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Team England SETI Sideshow (Message 48199)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Seti SPAM again.


Go SPAM Seti and not Rosetta@Home, geez.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : x1950 power requirements... (Message 48067)
Posted 27 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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What card do you have now ?

It just seems like a waste of money unless you can get one second hand.
As for the same price you can get a much faster PC in itself (<£100). Though you'll be graphics card less ;-)
28) Message boards : Number crunching : x1950 power requirements... (Message 48054)
Posted 27 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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I just remembered I can see you computers :-)
So this is for the A64 then, maybe look at getting a cheap Socket939 PCIe* and the PCIe card.

There cannot be much difference in price for all these to the equivelent AGP card alone. And the Folding and graphics performance has to be better ;)



*Or even go AM2 some DDR2 RAM and the equiv CPU will not be much more at all and you then have a larger CPU upgrade path .... probably about £40 more than the AGP card or 939/PCIe solution.

You have choices.

Core2 is probably too costly.


(At ebuyer you could get and Athlon AM2 x2-Enegy Efficient 4000+ (2.1GHz), 2x512MB DDR2 and a mATX AM2 board for <£100 ) hard finding PCIe x1950 now though as the 2xxx's have taken over. ebay?
29) Message boards : Number crunching : x1950 power requirements... (Message 48053)
Posted 27 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Have you checked the AGP cards will run F@H well (for the money they cost)? been a long long time since I been over there.

Since the difference in cost between the PCIe and AGP version buys you a nice quantity of DDR2 RAM, why not go the extra mile and buy a cheap Core2 motherboard and CPU.


EDIT as for power requirments
The one's I've seen either have PCIe connector or Dual Molex (though needed conversion cables should be supplied since the chances of a AGP user having PCIe connectors should be slim ;-)

Juice needed, well I would have thought 430W decent PSU should be able to supply enough, ut goto the manufactures websites and grab the manuals

A recent-ish review from a quick search http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8197&page=1 though probably ask over at F@H forum for the actual perforance for what your paying for will get.
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems with (X)ubuntu 7.10? (Message 48046)
Posted 26 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Having used Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) throughout the development cycle and updating regularly (every few days some 150+ updates..) and a couple of distribution updates from the road 7.04 to 7.10 final...
I can say that there should be no problems.

BUT you have 2 things to understand

a) 5.10.x version of BOINC has a new in use and not in use memory feature, this is the most likely cause. go alter your setting either as local setting or via your online settings.

b) The lastest Ubuntu's have a system where if the nice (priority) is to run as a low priority, then it will not increase the multiplier of your computer.
So for example a Pentium-M 1.7GHz would run at 600MHz if BOINC was left to run normally, no matter what BOINC setting you use, rather than the 1700MHz it should run at.
You have to override this setting (if you need to know how just ask)
31) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Team England SETI Sideshow (Message 48002)
Posted 24 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Err shouldn't that be Rosetta Gauntlet, seen as you're trying to pilfer people away from here :(


Seti already has far more crunching power than any other projects.
And the combined power of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th projects (WCG, R@H, E@H, CPDN) ...

Maybe you should be cheering these projects on...



shame on England.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Graphics card. (Message 47990)
Posted 24 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Well I'm UK and they're not to bad for the price (though we do tend to pay more than a lot of places, I changed it to the .dk address, lol.). Good service and quicker (& better) delivery than most the UK online shops which use really bad couriers.
(Especialy since Komplett ship from somewhere over in EU land)
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Graphics card. (Message 47961)
Posted 23 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Anything will do you, no idea of the prices in Denmark, but the GeForce 7xxx el-cheapo fanless would easily fit your requirments. Or AMD el-cheapo one's


http://www.komplett.dk/k/kl.aspx?mfr=&bn=10488&sortBy=p&minprice=&maxPrice=

Any of the ~kr300 with no fan would do.
I prefer the NVIDIA but it's up to you.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Comparison question (Message 47906)
Posted 22 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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I would like to take advice on hardware, as it looks like there is some tech freaks over there..... ;)

I use an old Mac G4 laptop, high end version from about 3 years ago.
The CPU is at 1.2Ghz, 512Mo RAM.
Im pretty happy with that. It is vastly enough for my every day use, and of course a bit slow for BOINC but i can keep pace with dead lines even with relatively big WU on Einstein.
My concern is more in the architecture of the computer. The FSB is at (please dont laugh) 133Mhz. Im not an hardware engineer, but i feel like a bus frequency as low as this just CAN'T allow the CPU to work at its best. Or am i wrong?
I know there is no need for the FSB to be as fast as the CPU, but that's 10 times!
I understand i doesnt play a role in pure CPU computation, but
since BOINC projects store about 130Mo to 260Mo on main memory, does this old fashioned FSB slow the overall process?
To be honest, when i bought this computer, the other brands (even with laptops) where in majority at 333Mhz FSB, wich seems a more fair CPU/FSB ratio.

(Sorry for my strange english, please correct me)


Sure it does. That is one of the reasons Apple changed its total architecture to Intel for its Macs even though that forced them to rewrite their Os and software. This does not mean you need to buy a new Laptop if you are happy with what you have. Maybe you should just add some memory.

Ps For a Frenchy you write better then I do.


Your confusing FSB with memory data rates.

The G4 1.2GHz uses (normally) DDR266 which which is what you're comparing the 333 to they mean DDR333, which still uses a 133MHz FSB.




Humm... no i put 333Mhz, but i realized then that it couldnt be. I should have wrote 266Mhz or *2 possibilities. But i thought, well it can figure what i want to know, so i let it like that.... ;). Thanks!


You will have been correct, DDR266, DDR333 & DDR400 are all valid memory frequencies, but ALL use a 133MHz FSB. (You may know the memory speeds as PC2100, PC2700 & PC3200 respectively), they are just 'pumped' versions.



Well, correct me if im wrong: i thought the FSB was carrying data from various elements of computer to others, like from memory to CPU. And memory frequency is the fonctional speed of the particular component. So a DDR333 with a 133Mhz FSB is quite useless... Am i wrong?


The FSB (Front Side Bus) carries data between the CPU and the Northbridge only. It's actually the memory bus that carries data between the Northbridge and the Memory, though DJStarfox is correct and is what I should have written if I was awake when typing :) But the main thing is it's actually 133MHz vs 166MHz you are comparing and not 133MHz vs 333MHz.... though note memory bus can be different to FSB..

for instance my Pentium-M uses a 100MHz bus but the memory runs at a 166MHz (DDR333) a ratio FSB:RAM 3:5 it also shows FSB is not everything as these thing churn results quite nicely..

Mind your iBook G4 will be pretty pointless on Rosetta as the PPC code is notoriously slow..

(We're talking of computers that actually have a FSB anyway ;)

battery running out so have to cut this short...
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Most of my Granted credit is lower than Claimed (Message 47878)
Posted 20 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Why do you think results are exported for large collection and RPC where created to extract specific information.

P.S. Excel is not good for this, you'll need use Access to collect the data if your using office.

I've imported the hosts and users tables into Access. Is it possible/easy enough to do the web crawling of the Results straight into Access or do i need to leave that bit in Excel??? Or is there a way to do it without trawling through all the pages?

Assuming you use VBA to do the collection then Access uses VBA as well, it shouldn't be to difficult to move accross.... As for sirect RPC calls to collect data (though I don't think you can collect what you need) look at TeamDoc's VBA code, it mostly (last time I looked) excel independent.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Comparison question (Message 47820)
Posted 17 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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I would like to take advice on hardware, as it looks like there is some tech freaks over there..... ;)

I use an old Mac G4 laptop, high end version from about 3 years ago.
The CPU is at 1.2Ghz, 512Mo RAM.
Im pretty happy with that. It is vastly enough for my every day use, and of course a bit slow for BOINC but i can keep pace with dead lines even with relatively big WU on Einstein.
My concern is more in the architecture of the computer. The FSB is at (please dont laugh) 133Mhz. Im not an hardware engineer, but i feel like a bus frequency as low as this just CAN'T allow the CPU to work at its best. Or am i wrong?
I know there is no need for the FSB to be as fast as the CPU, but that's 10 times!
I understand i doesnt play a role in pure CPU computation, but
since BOINC projects store about 130Mo to 260Mo on main memory, does this old fashioned FSB slow the overall process?
To be honest, when i bought this computer, the other brands (even with laptops) where in majority at 333Mhz FSB, wich seems a more fair CPU/FSB ratio.

(Sorry for my strange english, please correct me)


Sure it does. That is one of the reasons Apple changed its total architecture to Intel for its Macs even though that forced them to rewrite their Os and software. This does not mean you need to buy a new Laptop if you are happy with what you have. Maybe you should just add some memory.

Ps For a Frenchy you write better then I do.


Your confusing FSB with memory data rates.

The G4 1.2GHz uses (normally) DDR266 which which is what you're comparing the 333 to they mean DDR333, which still uses a 133MHz FSB.




Humm... no i put 333Mhz, but i realized then that it couldnt be. I should have wrote 266Mhz or *2 possibilities. But i thought, well it can figure what i want to know, so i let it like that.... ;). Thanks!


You will have been correct, DDR266, DDR333 & DDR400 are all valid memory frequencies, but ALL use a 133MHz FSB. (You may know the memory speeds as PC2100, PC2700 & PC3200 respectively), they are just 'pumped' versions.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU Comparison question (Message 47814)
Posted 17 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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I would like to take advice on hardware, as it looks like there is some tech freaks over there..... ;)

I use an old Mac G4 laptop, high end version from about 3 years ago.
The CPU is at 1.2Ghz, 512Mo RAM.
Im pretty happy with that. It is vastly enough for my every day use, and of course a bit slow for BOINC but i can keep pace with dead lines even with relatively big WU on Einstein.
My concern is more in the architecture of the computer. The FSB is at (please dont laugh) 133Mhz. Im not an hardware engineer, but i feel like a bus frequency as low as this just CAN'T allow the CPU to work at its best. Or am i wrong?
I know there is no need for the FSB to be as fast as the CPU, but that's 10 times!
I understand i doesnt play a role in pure CPU computation, but
since BOINC projects store about 130Mo to 260Mo on main memory, does this old fashioned FSB slow the overall process?
To be honest, when i bought this computer, the other brands (even with laptops) where in majority at 333Mhz FSB, wich seems a more fair CPU/FSB ratio.

(Sorry for my strange english, please correct me)


Sure it does. That is one of the reasons Apple changed its total architecture to Intel for its Macs even though that forced them to rewrite their Os and software. This does not mean you need to buy a new Laptop if you are happy with what you have. Maybe you should just add some memory.

Ps For a Frenchy you write better then I do.


Your confusing FSB with memory data rates.

The G4 1.2GHz uses (normally) DDR266 which which is what you're comparing the 333 to they mean DDR333, which still uses a 133MHz FSB.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU detection, proposition (Message 47718)
Posted 14 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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P.S. There is no way you could make it CPU or Core with the current boinc code as far as I know.

You'll get something like x8 or x4 but it may not be what the actual CPU is
it could be x2 physical with x4 core and it owul report as x8 CPU
39) Message boards : Number crunching : CPU detection, proposition (Message 47717)
Posted 14 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Ah the data you are talking about is directly taken from the Operating System and it is whatever the OS reports.

They are stored in the database, and the number of CPU's is kept seperate.
they are like that so the server knows wha to do.

Do do what you want alters the 'display' and it becomes a more expensive transaction for very little benefit. It would be much simpler for them to add the number of effective CPU in a new column.


But go have a look at the code and see if it's an easy fix.

The fields you are looking for are
<p_vendor> giving for example GenuineIntel
<p_model> Intel Pentium processor 2GHz [x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 8]


and to add to the code some some text and <p_ncpus> no of CPU's value.

The project may be able to do it...
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Most of my Granted credit is lower than Claimed (Message 47688)
Posted 13 Oct 2007 by FluffyChicken
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At the time when it moved over to here it was decided to just take results from here and keep it rolling.

While you say you can get a sample size that does not actually acieve the graph of how that size panned out. A Sample size could easily miss the first few in the group.
You have to collect them all to achieve that. Or once the first is found few are found (which is very hard to do as you'd need to have them all to know it was the first ?)
All this adds considerable load the the rosetta servers downloading each page at a time to get the data when Rosetta could do it themselves with considerably less overhead.

Why do you think results are exported for large collection and RPC where created to extract specific information.

P.S. Excel is not good for this, you'll need use Access to collect the data if your using office.


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