Posts by FluffyChicken

1) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : DISCUSSION of Rosetta@home Journal (4) (Message 57672)
Posted 7 Dec 2008 by FluffyChicken
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David, no harm in asking at all and you should ask again. If you cannot trumpet your own project in your own forums what can you do, lol.

Only here as I've just been reading the last few Journal entries (only thread I subscribe to and really should be a main page and RSS fed column by the way).

since it's the most informative and useful thread on the site (and it's buried away in the forum).


2) Message boards : Number crunching : What? I thought this had stopped (Team Founder Change) (Message 56913)
Posted 13 Nov 2008 by FluffyChicken
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If I wasn't so pissed off that a person who had just joined the team to activate founder change and the email I got was a this is it and your only chance, I would have slowed down.

To be honest it is Rosetta that are responsible, it is THEIR project, BOINC is just a system that they choose to use.
It is not for me to get the BOINC team to do it, it is up to Rosetta@home to ask the BOINC team to implement what they need and find as problems.


First: If it is disabled, then I should not get any email and the person taking it over should not even get the chance.

Second: A politer email would be better and may be send it every week and a PM to me in the forum as well (i.e. ever means possible to get me).
I might miss that one email in a pile of other messages, unfortunately I have a life (sort of ;)) and do not visit here as often as I would like now. So 1 or 2 month is not very long.

Third: Privacy of the emails from the people who trusted me to them, would need to be rechecked with everybody in the team if the founder changes.

Fourth: If I am inactive and not sending tasks back, fair does ... as long as the person taking it over has been crunching in the team for a few years wrt how old the team is or is a Vice Leader.


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and yes I have been around BOINC for a long time, participated in the boinc lists etc...
3) Message boards : Number crunching : What? I thought this had stopped (Team Founder Change) (Message 56821)
Posted 11 Nov 2008 by FluffyChicken
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I by the off chance happen to notice an email pop in my many emails.

A team founder request.

I am still active (semi) so why is this possible ?

A quick check
New members in last day Thomas http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/show_user.php?userid=33988

tompage1994@hotmail.co.uk (please spam this email thanks)

He is trying to take over my team.

Now if I remember correctly and by the wording of the email, if I had missed this email I would no longer run the team (and more than likely it would change name and have everyone kicked. Sod all the effort we put in to it.

Not only that, he would gain access to the email address's our team members have trusted me with. I'm sure some of the lawyers in my team could sort some sort of charges out against you if it did happen, on privacy grounds.
Pissed off and upset with Rosetta@home :(

Now please stop this ability before a Team Teddies saga starts again.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc_6.1. (Message 52535)
Posted 16 Apr 2008 by FluffyChicken
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v6 is not main stream yet and talk on it and development of rosetta to run under the new graphics system should really be done at ralph at home.

and the boinc forum (or the dev/alpha lists)
5) Message boards : Number crunching : boinc_6.1. (Message 52534)
Posted 16 Apr 2008 by FluffyChicken
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v6 is not main stream yet and talk on it and development of rosetta to run under the new graphics system should really be done at ralph at home.

and the boinc forum (or the dev/alpha lists)
6) Message boards : Number crunching : cpu optimization (Message 52371)
Posted 10 Apr 2008 by FluffyChicken
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iirc as mentioned above somewhere, they needed to have it all recoded in a modern language (C of some type) to make it effective as the old bodged together fortran/c code was restricting things. I assume this is what mini-rosetta is and it'll be tested there..

But what no developers, the project coders chiming in to talk about it .... :(
7) Message boards : Number crunching : cpu optimization (Message 52349)
Posted 9 Apr 2008 by FluffyChicken
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I think all that was really asked in penguins last post was for the developers/project to chime in with a few words ;)

We've been down the SIMD instruction improvements (this is the 'optimisation' talked about here) before. Even one of the Intel 'optimising' blokes was here chatting and he knows his SSE stuff..

In my opinion at this stage in the game, all that the developers should be doing with regard to SIMD optimisation is compiler swithes to see if it runs faster, with as much useful information and as stabley as the stock version. Slap them on Ralph@home and see what happens, not much time wasted and some possible usefull information.

Though BOINC would really need to implement instruction set allocationg to make it really useful.

All other effort should go in to improving the scientific code and the 'real' optimisation.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Have any idle server bandwidth? (Message 52187)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by FluffyChicken
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Ah individual host information, probably something for the stats aggregators to give access to for the smaller teams rather than direct access to as you can only get it from your own account iirc via RPCs

Priority level, dunno, when the BoincDoc person asked for it it seemed to come pretty quick. Quess it depends on who maintains that code now. Also you would have the same problem as you do with getting the team_lookup info, the project servers need to be updated or enabled to give the information.
(in fact both do give correct xml that you can put in a database, one just doesn't give you the extra information fieldss, not boinc's fault but the project. You need to tell them)

So they're eventually starting to kick some V6 stuff out :)
That's what will be in all the emails from dev & alpha lists I just deleted then :) Saves me reading them.

I guess the options are, get an aggregating site to give out the info via RPC (probably the better solution) Maybe one does already ?
Get boinc to return host info, like you can for yourself, if they have show hosts available. Should be little more coding than adding a check and not needing the authentication since they already grab host info, the code is already there.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Have any idle server bandwidth? (Message 52182)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by FluffyChicken
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P.S. I'm not saying what you're trying to do is not a good idea.

Just does R@H servers actually need it, i've not seen them have any problems.

It would be useful for small 'home run' projects, just bittorrent style transfers would be better as it could accomodate all.

this is useful though
If you have a server behind a firewall, or would like to host the bandwidth used by your BOINC team, I also have PHP code that allows you to use such a server to dramatically reduce the internet bandwidth required to run the machines participating in the project on your local LAN. Each file is downloaded only once for all of your local machines. If you are interested in further details, please send me a PM. and something you should persue, though if bittorrent was implement properly everyone could do it without thinking.


Bitttorent protocol, (though think it as the concept not how it is actually implemented)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Have any idle server bandwidth? (Message 52181)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by FluffyChicken
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To my knowledge, bittorrent has not yet been implemented by BOINC, but is still on the board. And in order for it to save you any bandwidth, you have to have the identical file being downloaded by multiple hosts at the same time. I'm still not clear on what the odds of that happening actually are.

And I've not seen much doc. describing the details of bittorrent, but it would seem to me that your machine would have to permit an incoming internet connection, and almost noone runs BOINC on such a server. And that if it doesn't work that way, that you would have to send the file to a central site where it gets resent to one specific requesting client. So now the "improved" download of the file travels across the internet twice. Seems rather wasteful. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the mechanics of the dataflows of bittorrent.

The advantage the TV folks have is the relatively small number of channels possible for people to watch (as compared to all the files in a project's download directory). And the fact that the data (TV signal) is done in realtime, i.e. you don't have to begin the program again when a new person turns on their TV set (except perhaps for the on demand type of movies). Are you saying the movies use some sort of peer-to-peer system? Would seem to quickly lend itself to people stealing the movies.



Bittorrent works by a central server having all the files (aka seeder, here it would be r@h).
Everyone then gets the files from here, until a portion of it is downloaded, they then connect to all the other users downloading the files and grab from as many as possible to make there download faster, they then let others get the part files from them. This, once running, drops the original seeders file transfers a lot. All new files will still need to come from r@h till they are at at least one other server. 'Tasks' would still need to come from the r@h servers, but the support files would not, e.g. the main application, the other standard initial files and the other files you keep downloading over and over again that are part of the tasks (but actually the same file).

The other situation this helps is in LANs as it works just the same in the LAN setup, it's even possible to request from the LAN first before going to others.

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The TV On demand is not actual VoD style but shows that have been aired and then put on a site for download, the UK major TV people doe this with some naff kontiki software for there download service. This is P2P software where you download say Doctor Who, then when other download the same program they will grab parts of the file from everyone else that has downloaded Doctor Who. (in a similar way to ho bittorrent works). I also believe many of the US TV companies use konitiki as well for their 'On demand downloads'.

It's not vidoe streaming, though it is possible in the same way.
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Have any idle server bandwidth? (Message 52180)
Posted 30 Mar 2008 by FluffyChicken
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lol, I've got some reading to catch up on happenings, but they will add needed RPC calls if you want them. I remeber some where added at the request of the TeamDOC chaps (if they are still going). Not sure what additional information you want but TeamDOC managed to get pretty much every stat I could think of quickly and easily for a team, exl. known problem servers. ( www.boincteams.com but I've again not visited there either for a while )
I think the problem is projects just not keeping up with server developments, and that will be a problem using either xml or rpc calls.

What you say would be nice, but then the stats aggregating site where suppose to be for that purpose ? e.g. boinc.netsoft-online.com and it has (had) RPC calls, though a quick look and site seems to be individual based
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Have any idle server bandwidth? (Message 52175)
Posted 29 Mar 2008 by FluffyChicken
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Feet1st
I think the integration of bittorrent into the client would be better for server load bandwidth reduction (hey the TV 'on demand' systems in the UK all do it, so why not boinc). I remember it was going to be an opt in option... but then I've not read anything boinc for quite some months now and if they have got around to adding it yet.

adrian
Isn't that what the RPC calls to the stats are for ?
You can just request what you need instead of getting all of it.



13) Message boards : Number crunching : Intel Mac (Message 49734)
Posted 16 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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The processors are the same (pretty much) and it's down to the OS & compiler.

Since the OS-X Compiler should compile with all sort od modern switches are it's targeting Core2 processors err, you would think it would run a touch faster.


Anyone know what compiler they use ?
14) Message boards : Number crunching : CRT invalid display type (Message 49649)
Posted 12 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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OK ran DxDiag, all test successful. How do i check that dual monitor is disabled when i dont have the catilyst isnt installed only the ati driver and the wmd driver?


Right click your desktop and goto properties -- Settings -- Advanced. Under there somewhere should be a setup for dual-monitor. If not, then I think the default is "clone" meaning put the same screen on both video card outputs. While you're in there, make sure the monitor type is set correctly; either pick your exact monitor or choose "plug and play monitor". If there is a solution, it's either in the advanced properties somewhere or in the registry (grrr).

Perhaps someone else who has more experience with ATI can help. I just got my first ATI card working last week. :)


Actually just
Display Properties - Settings, no need to go to advanced.

You'll see all your possible screens, just check there is only one active.

That boinc version should be fine (it is the latest release version)
15) Message boards : Number crunching : CRT invalid display type (Message 49604)
Posted 11 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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hi i have reinstalled 7.6 and the first thing that happened after rebooting and looking at the boinc graphics... frooze and had to manually reboot the system.

directx is updated


Did you fully remove the other version of the dirvers first ?
Newer verions may have different files and it may leave the newer driver version causing problems.

Remove all drivers for ATI reboot and try again.

May not work, but at least it's definatly not a proble.

also check you motherboard drivers.... these have graphics related parts..

also set it to single display output...

(just some things to work through).



Does showing the Seti graphics cause this problem ?



Im not running seti anymore, i like rosetta and only run 2 wus at a time you say to set it to single display? ati or boinc? i dont have the catalyst installed just the wdm and the actual driver. i do always reboot before reinstalling new drivers


ATI drivers (was a just in case idea). Boinc doesn't have any options and it doesn't support dual monitors directly (i.e. cannot display graphics on them both). Not sure if v6 of boinc willl.

Attach to seti or some other project just to test out, it if locks up it's more likely a driver/boinc problem than a specific driver/rosetta problem.

Though ATI have been known to have problems under the boinc platfrom, just that CRT error you had has never cropped up. (I realised that was fixed)
16) Message boards : Number crunching : CRT invalid display type (Message 49594)
Posted 11 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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hi i have reinstalled 7.6 and the first thing that happened after rebooting and looking at the boinc graphics... frooze and had to manually reboot the system.

directx is updated


Did you fully remove the other version of the dirvers first ?
Newer verions may have different files and it may leave the newer driver version causing problems.

Remove all drivers for ATI reboot and try again.

May not work, but at least it's definatly not a proble.

also check you motherboard drivers.... these have graphics related parts..

also set it to single display output...

(just some things to work through).



Does showing the Seti graphics cause this problem ?
17) Message boards : Number crunching : What happened in July 2006? (Message 49582)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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your link to hoist list is the generic one and so we actually see our host list ;-)

as for boinc stats, they're a 3rd party site and the glitch could be thiers. who knows


P.S. Your graph with the sudden change of credit rate at July/Aug 06 is very much like what would have happened when the new credit system came in and you where using the benchmark inflated boinc clients at before that.

Or you where using a benchmark inflating boinc client and moved to a none benchmark inflating client (wrt rosetta@home)

oh and it was the end of Aug we switched to the new credit system, so that is my guess.



But as for the glitch as you call it, more than likely just a problem at boincstats at the time, it does that. Just use their options to remove it from the best list.
18) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : Rosetta@home home game - Fold.it (Message 49581)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Privacy issue,
It's quite simple, if you don't want to test it by sign up the the current privacy rules for testing the game then there is nothing to worry about. If you do agree with the privacy rules then you can join.

I cannot see what the fuss is about.

I assume they will link the game to the account (it's suppose to be the screen saver eventualy, which I assume will be a screensaver option... well that's what I remember from many many months back) But if this is still the JAVA version then I assume since it's testing there is just no point in integrating it to the BOINC database at this point.... aka work in progress.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Credit system seems unfair, anyone else thinks so? (Message 49527)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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I completely disagree with you Angus. Credits are great because it motivates people to crunch for these projects. It makes crunching for a lot of people far more attractive than it would have been if there wouldn't have been a credit system. And it stimulates competition which benefits the projects.

I think your rant at David Anderson is unjustified. The BOINC platform is a fantastic concept; it makes it possible for the crunchers to switch between projects in seconds and to ad new projects in a minutes. It's also a big improvement for project leaders, it gives them a free platform to build their applications on and they can attract a lot of crunchers with little effort.

A credit system is a good thing, the BOINC-platform is a great thing, the only problem is that there is no way to impose a framework, which all projects have to oblige to, when they grant credits. The original benchmark idea was a good start but it turned out to be flawed(optimized clients and so on).

I think that fixed credits, i.e. the projects determine the granted credits, is the only way to go(but I'm not sure if every project can implement it). And more importantly, fixed credits should be equal across the different project which could be done if projects run the original BOINC benchmarks locally on some benchmark machines and grant fixed credits on that basis.


I think you missunderstand Angus here. It's not the credits, it the cross project parity.
1) What a credit is here crunching Rossetta cannot be compared to what a credit crunched at seti etc are. You are crunching different problems, using the CPU in a different way... the apples to oranges.

2) Rosetta optimise their program as such... but it's called the standard program, at other places the members can modify the client and so improve it further they tend not to become the standard so even the exact same computer will give different credit. this increases the problem.

3) credit is just not a projects main priority.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Windows Vista Defender annoys... (Message 49370)
Posted 4 Dec 2007 by FluffyChicken
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Well the service shouldn't bring it to it's knees as it acts pretty much the same.

Try installing BOINC to c:BOINC instead of the Program Files (default) location. There are less Vista restrictions doing that.

When you run as a service, don't let BoincManager start up (since that is what is being stopped).

another solution - disable Defender -


The next version v6 of BOINC should avoid all this but it will not be until then that this will be fixed.
P.S. It has little to do with R@H all they can do is put pressure on the devs, but they are stretched and are asking for help from developers to get everything done quicker.



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