Posts by Jack Shaftoe

41) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.25 (Message 24110) Posted 21 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1) Seems to be a few of them popping up.. (that's 3 of the 10 WUs that have run on this machine this last week.) Me too. http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?hostid=288399 Got 5 of them on this host this morning. The new credit system gives me zero credit for them too. They all seem to have been resubmitted to other hosts. I am running 5.4.11 on this machine. Edit to say that I have another machine with identical hardware running 5.4.11 and it has zero failed WU's. Maybe a config problem? I dunno..
42) Message boards : Number crunching : All crunchers are equally important (Message 23250) Posted 18 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Im sorry but this is the real world....it does Im afraid. Im not saying that its right but thats how it is and always will be. Its not what you know but who you know. You're referring to the business world. This isn't the business world.
43) Message boards : Number crunching : Thank You (Message 22769) Posted 17 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: When is your farm going to get up to 42? Ha! I added another one 2 days ago, I think that brings me up to 26, although 2 of those don't belong to me and have been inactive (doh). Always looking for the answer... :-)
44) Message boards : Number crunching : Removing credits backdated to february. (Message 22687) Posted 17 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: They said the new system, once approved and official, would be applied to all credits retroactively since February. No polling for consensus of the crunchers. Decision made. I think David said they will be showing both the old credits untouched and the new system alongside (2 columns). The way I read it, it wasn't a done deal and they wanted to see what the community thought first by showing both systems next to each other.
45) Message boards : Number crunching : Thank You (Message 22682) Posted 17 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Lots of big stuff going on around here between CASP7 and a new credit system in the works, and obviously a lot of heated threads have blown through the forum lately. I just want to post a note and say thanks to everyone who is sticking through this and supporting the project. I've been DCing off and on for about 3 years, but when I discovered Rosetta and tried it for a couple weeks I decided that it was time to support a project 100%. All you top teams - XS, DPC, FDC, TAAT, SUSA etc.. - thanks for the competition, hope it continues for years to come. It's been great fun so far, and I look forward to the level playing field and really giving it a run. Onward.
46) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22530) Posted 16 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: The XS team busted their backsides for this project to a degree that I really can't describe here and to have that effort negated would leave a very bad taste in my teams mouth. Before anyone reads this and heads over there in a rage - nobody proposed "negating" it. They are proposing that all historical credit back to February reflect the new system - credits based on work done. Huge difference, and I hope everyone understands that. They have a more accurate measuring stick now, and have the opportunity to adjust credit back 6 months so it reflects how much work you did for the project. XS will still be way out front, potentially more than they are now depending on how many people fluffed their stats. If you have any thoughts, please head over to the Ralph forum and post them there.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22502) Posted 16 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: FYI, it's being discussed on the Ralph forum that backdating the current credits so they reflect the new system is indeed a possibility. http://ralph.bakerlab.org/forum_thread.php?id=233
48) Message boards : Number crunching : Woodcrest - Anyone Tried One? (Message 22496) Posted 15 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Just curious, I can't find any in the credits section. Not sure if they would show up as something other than a Xeon 3.0 GHz. Found one. (grin) 5.4.11
49) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22204) Posted 10 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: So if you are offended by what I have said... I really dont care. Not offended, just annoyed to see interesting ideas buried in more long angry posts full of noise. Argh... To get back to point, resetting everyone to zero is not an option. Too many people don't like that idea and threaten to leave. I don't support that anymore. What about the 2 graphs idea? One for new system only, one for total in both systems? If there are objections to this - what are they and why? I would like this. Can it be done?
50) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22196) Posted 10 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Going back to the zeroing out credit discussion and after hearing both positives and negatives to it wouldn't it be easier to just have 2 databases? One database where the current stats could continue with the credits from the new credit system added on but also have a new database of credit from when the new system is put in place starting form zero. That's a great idea in my opinion. I'm sure we can agree that everyone would get what they wanted if they could see both sides of the coin - just the new system on one set of graphs and combined new/old on another set. Not sure if it's easy/difficult to implement though.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.25 (Message 22159) Posted 10 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: I have had ZERO problems with this release of Rosetta. I have Rosetta installed on 7 computers and it runs on every computer just fine with no problems. I am running the BOINC version 5.4.9. I have to restart 1 or 2 machines each week. But that's not bad for 22. I check my stats every day to make sure all of them are connecting. When one of them gets late, it means I have to restart the software. If I didn't have to do that my efficiency would be higher, but not significantly. What can I provide to help figure out what is happening?
52) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22148) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: besides all the quarrel about the best credit system one thing is clear: the vast majority including the project staff is very greatful to xtremesystems for supporting this project so vigorously. That being said, it might happen that some people disagree with some of your posts from time to time. ;-) Quoted for truth.
53) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22128) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: I wish everyone would present there ideas about the new system, what they think might be best and to give examples. Not just complain and not offer up a solution, but if all some users have are complaints, then they should be able to voice there opinions as well, they're just not as productive in finding a solution. I offered my opinion (not a complaint) that it will be better if total credit gets fixed too and have clarified for the people who take this the wrong way. I can't offer a solution to fix it having no clue how they store total credit. However, knowing that they have a new measuring stick being developed I hope they can just apply that to past models that have already been submitted. End of story. Whether it gets fixed or not I will continue to stick around.
54) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22123) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: so you seti guys really think if they erase everyone points and put the new credit system we XS wont be at the top again by a huge margin like we are now? No. Read the thread.
55) Message boards : Number crunching : dual core, one thread >50%? (Message 22119) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: I thought each thread could only run upto 50%? This is a dual core machine. No! Dual core means that 2 WUs are run on one processor by default. Each core is 100% busy also by default. That's not what I see on my machine. My dual core shows each thread maxing out at 50%, my quad shows each maxing to 25% and my 8 CPU shows each maxing to 13%. The "CPU" column always adds up to 100%. Could it be a setting in task manager? Have you tried Process Explorer from SysInternals?
56) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22118) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: It would be nice if the old credit got fixed, but getting the new credit fixed first is the more important thing! After a month or so the RACs will be nearly 100% reflecting the new system. Indeed it will, however the credit race by "total credit" will be flawed forever. lol Anyone one ever wonder what the leader board would be like without optimized apps? It will remain the same. First the top people crunch Rosetta 24/7 and seconf the top people tend to have the top computers. Tony are you suggesting that a P4 based system will beat a Kentfield based system or a Conroe Based System or a Power Mac Based System or an AMD Opty Based System? I think he's insinuating that the leaderboard has more than 10 teams and 20 computers, and that my 8x 3.0GHz actually has done more total work than a single Athlon 64 X2 3800 that has been on for the same amount of time - contrary to what it tells us now, and will tell us 6 months from now if the total credit doesn't get fixed. Hope that clarification helps. Movieman from XS sounds like he's onboard with the idea of fixing this too, as the owner of the fastest machine on the project. Hopefully more people will see the value in it.
57) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22113) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: Why should the users who have been using stock managers, clients and stock-clocked machines have to start at 0? It's not wise to punish the innocent. As one of those "innocent" users myself, I would support this idea if the total credit score cannot be adjusted to be realistic under the new system. Fix total credits too so we don't have to consider this and everyone is happy.
58) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22081) Posted 9 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: What about starting it right from zero all over again? I would support this for sure. Separate the old credits from the new ones, don't mix them together. No worrying about converting any old credits too. Announce a rollover date. Do it.
59) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22065) Posted 8 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: After a month or so the RACs will be nearly 100% reflecting the new system. And after 7 or 8 years the total credit will be nearly 80% reflecting. Ugh. Hope they have a plan to fix that too.
60) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22057) Posted 8 Aug 2006 by Jack Shaftoe Post: I don't think that as far as rosetta is concerned that the new system will be bad. I'm not saying the new system will be bad, I'm just saying it would be better if this got fixed completely (RAC credit and Total credit) instead of just partially (just RAC). I hope that will be considered.

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