Posts by DCManiak

1) Message boards : Number crunching : A Challenge (Message 24828)
Posted 25 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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what happened to the challenge here? There's a new credit system that awards the computers that produce more structures so what computers produce the most?

Two things happenned. First of all none of the "vocal group" took up the challenge and second, with the release of the new credit system and the realisation that it doesn't really show the differences in a machines capability due to the differences in work units, the challenge is meaningless.
Here's where you went wrong with your current system:
If your P4-3000 has X capabilities, it should get an amount of credit equal to those capabilities and it should get that amount for every hour/day,ect that it is working as a dedicated cruncher.
If my DX3600 has X capabilities +y it should be getting that amount of credit every hour it is working as a dedicated cruncher and that is the crux of this particular problem..That just isn't happenning due to the flaws in the current system, ergo, there is no way to compare the actual capabilities of the different systems.There should be no variation.
It's the variation in time that it takes to create the decoys between the differnet WU that creates the problem.
If you get X points for creating a decoy that takes 10 minutes to do on one WU and on the next work unit on the same machine with all factors on that machine being equal it takes 12 minutes or 15 and you get the same x points for that decoy, how can you compare different machines capabilities?
It's impossible and by that error in the credit system and accepting it as something that is just their you drive away anyone with any competitive spirit.
That's not even addressing all the other issues that need to be settled.
Movieman



Furthermore, there is less than 20% of the team left to participate in the challenge, even if they wanted to.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Discussion of project communication (Message 24789)
Posted 25 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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the new credit system awards the producer in luck system ive seen the credits granted and this is a joke really.

i have a constructive criticism for you, realise we the crunchers are the base of this project without us the project dies, if we think a part of the project is flawed, the project managers should adress it, we hold the share me make the work and we dont see the benefits as we should? i think you guys really dont appreciate what we are doing here.


But that is what the project currently does - adressing the concerns of the user. They created a new credit system, users where not happy, they change it and tweak it and they listen to proposals how to make it really fair. What is your constructive criticism in this post? They should listen to the user base. They do! But the user base does not speak with one voice. So they need to seek a compromise. Or do you wanted to say, they should listen to the position of XS because we are the big guys?

Here we go again.... Nice.
3) Message boards : Number crunching : What inspires you about Rosetta@Home? (Message 24490)
Posted 24 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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I have a right to my opinion? Apparently not, by your actions.

BUT, if I do, here is another one. These boards now contain too many elements that like to use fascistic tactics to promote their own agenda and to suppress anything that is contrary to that. My honest opinion.

No need to answer. I'm not stating a fact, just my belief, my opinion, how I see it. Thank you for letting me share.

( edit was to correct spelling )
4) Message boards : Number crunching : What inspires you about Rosetta@Home? (Message 24481)
Posted 24 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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I used to be inspired by this project alot. I felt it held out hope for advances in science to perhaps one day get a handle on major diseases, such as cancer. I have since lost faith in the project's administration, though. Most likely my main goal, now, in Rosetta, is to achieve a RAC of zero. It may take a while, but I'll most likely get there. I am actively searching for a new DC project that, to me, I can have more faith in.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Building a new crunching rig? (Message 24480)
Posted 24 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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G.Skill makes some awesome memory. I haven't had that particular set, but I've had two other sets, and they've been champs.

The Retail C2D comes with a HSF, which should be fine for running stock. I've heard that the fan on it is a little loud though.


I am running a stock C2D fan on an E6400 in a caseless system. I've turned off all the machines in that room 'cept that one and I can't hear it running. So, I don't think it is loud at all.

...then again I had a lot of high powered machines running, so I may be going deaf!
6) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Personal Milestones (Message 24217)
Posted 22 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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Got to 150th in UD before abandoning it for FaD. Hit 5th in FaD, but settled back to like 12th or 13th by the project's ( sad ) end, due to emphasizing D2OL. When D2OL became totally unresponsive to the contributors ( us crunchers )I stopped crunching that ( was 36th I think ). Joined Rosetta and got up into the 50's with my first team, but then joined another ( realized I was spending 98% of my time at my current team's website, so why not crunch for them? ). Coming up on 3.5 million combined points.

Yes, my electric company loves me! :)
7) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : DISCUSSION of Rosetta@home Journal (2) (Message 23538)
Posted 19 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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we will NOT be backdating credit totals


Good move, doesn't get any simpler put than that.

Of course, I'm sure some will try to limit what that means or interpret it differently.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : New credit system now being tested at RALPH@home (Message 22499)
Posted 16 Aug 2006 by DCManiak
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I agree with the need to change the credit granting process. Change it going forward. If you change it going backwards, then I believe many will leave. This isn't the only worthy DC project. I've run UD, D2OL, and FaD. And now Rosetta. I've put alot of my own resources into these projects, both in terms of hardware expenditures and $$ for power. To go and negate credit based on past crunching is xtremely distasteful to me. If that is what my contributions to this project get me, I would have to seriously reconsider my up-til-now loyalty to this project, as much as I like it and respect the science being done.

Also, credit based on what system is being reported instead of the amount of actual work being done is, in my opinion, going down the wrong road. I guarantee you, my x2 3800+, overclocked, is doing more work than a system with the same processor. The system that puts out more work should get more credit.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Are You Hardcore Rosetta? (Message 20688)
Posted 20 Jul 2006 by DCManiak
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Now I don't feel so bad after seeing your power bill. :)
All machines here run Rosetta 24/7

I use to run all single core, 25 of them. Now all my machines 'cepting two are dual core or dual CPU.
10) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : Discussion - Recognition and Credit awards (Message 15677)
Posted 8 May 2006 by DCManiak
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I was just looking at the results for the top teams:

Name Members Recent average credit Total Credit Country
1 XtremeSystems 246 311,043.65 25,052,975.81 International
2 Dutch Power Cows 1071 261,066.85 24,927,849.52 Netherlands
3 Free-DC 154 174,032.69 28,027,746.46 International

this is serious computing power; I think the recent credit numbers correspond to
3,100, 2,600 and 1,740 computers crunching more or less full time
for these top three teams which is fantastic!

It looks like the DPC have nearly caught up to XtremeSystems in total credit, but XtremeSystems is
moving ahead faster. Why does Free-DC have the most total credits but considerably less than the other two teams recently?

We will have to have prizes when CASP finishes at the end of July for the top overall team and the
top team during CASP. definitely a citation in the science paper on rosetta distributed contributing at the minimum!



Actually, you caught those numbers after they'd just changed.
Xtremesystems has finally caught up to and overtaken DPC for total credit ( 2nd place ), and is moving ahead and creating seperation.
Free-DC is indeed ahead, but, lately, has not been putting out all that it can in Rosetta. Expect Free-DC's numbers to go up ( indeed, they've already started to rise ) as they move to fend of the challenge by Xtremesystems.

Scott






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