Posts by Moderator9

41) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18556)
Posted 13 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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Can a Mod stick a link to this all boards so that is has the maximum coverage?
Public Radio Journalist Looking for Participants...

It has been listed in the news on the home page.
42) Questions and Answers : Macintosh : \'i686-apple-darwin\' not found (Message 18555)
Posted 13 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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It is running okay on my iMac Core Duo along with Seti and Einstein as intel-native. I am getting results of around 21000 CPUsec. per WU. http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?userid=85245 Is this good, bad, average?

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It is not possible to tell. The run time for a work unit is user adjustable. We would need to compare it to another system with the same time setting.[color]
43) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18554)
Posted 13 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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I am new to Rosetta and Boinc, but I have used the old seti@home project in the past. I was concerned with a computation error I had received with work a work unit producing a result 23954214. It isn\'t the fact that I had an error that concerns me, but rather the result work unit ID 20210159 that had me concerned.

While looking at the results for this WU, I noticed another user (host detail 70228) listed in the results. I then looked at this user\'s results page (results 70228) and was confused.

I understand that multiple users may be working on the same work unit at the same time, but I don\'t understand how an error can occur because of it. I don\'t really care about the results or credit for all it matters, but why perform a task if it isn\'t going to be of any use.

My concern pertains to the users results page. Is this a watchdog program? Is this theft of results or partial results to jump ahead of a user working on the same work unit?

What you are seeing on the results page is normal.

In your case the work unit did have some kind of error. When it was reported back, the work unit was sent to another user for processing. In his case his machine was able to complete the work unit without error. If you look at the reporting dates for the results yours was on the 12th and his was on the 13th. The two computers involved were not working on the work unit at the same time.

As for the work unit appearing in the stats for your machine and another as well, this is also normal for a work unit the has an error. This is because error work units are frequently sent out for a second try. In some cases they may be sent to as many as 3 computers total.
44) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18489)
Posted 12 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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...The only problems I can see are related to the short deadlines for CASP. If the machine is really slow, you might want to run it with the shortest time setting (1 or 2 hours) so it can meet the deadlines.
I think you mean to say to run at a longer time setting, since it will take a slow machine a long time to even do one variant. If the setting is left at 1 or 2 hours, the user should be aware that the runs will probably last longer because the software will not quit until one variant is achieved.


Actually, I think you\'re both misstating it. A slower machine crunches a WU with a 3hr runtime pref. in the same 3 hours that it takes a fast machine (it just gets less models completed and earns less credits due to the slower CPU).

Regardless of the speed of the machine, if the machine is not crunching 24hrs a day, then you\'ll want to be sure your WU runtime preference is short to assure the WU ends and reports before the deadline.

Actually the point was to set the time setting to a low value and let the time sort itself out.
45) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18384)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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Can a Mod stick a link to this all boards so that is has the maximum coverage?
Public Radio Journalist Looking for Participants...


I have asked the reporter to contact me so I can help. So far no response. When I hear back I can put things in place.
46) Questions and Answers : Preferences : Im unable to get new tasks (Message 18383)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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All of your error work unit results are shown as having been \"Aborted by User\". If you abort the work unit it will not run to sucessfull completion.

BOINC is designed to run without any help from the user. If you abort the workunits, it will not reload new work for some period of time after that.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.22 (Message 18381)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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I have sent a message to the project team regarding the possibility that the screen saver may still be causing problems for a few of you. If you report a problem that seems related to the screen saver, please be certain to make your computers visible in your preferences to assist them in examining the problem. Also if you could provide a link to any workunit results that may have been produced during the time you noticed the problem that would be helpful.

For those of you who may not know how to create a link -

    1) Go to the place you want the link to take the user and copy the \"HTTP\" address from the browser address field at the top of your browser window.
    2) Open the post in which you wish to place the link and type \"[_url=\" (leaving out the \"_\" which I have added here to disable the command) at the point in the message where you want the link to appear.
    3) Paste the link address after the \"=\" with no spaces and add a \"]\" to the end of the address.
    4) Type any text you may want to identify the link.
    5) Complete the link command by typing \"[/url]\".



So if I wanted to create a link to the Rosetta FAQs it would look like this -
(Except you would leave out the \"_\", which I added for display purposes)

[_url=http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=669]Rosetta FAQs[/url]

And it would look like this in the final message.

Rosetta FAQs

Thank you.

48) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18376)
Posted 10 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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At my job theres about 20 old PCs that my boss is planning on scrapping. Their all old, mostly pre-windows 2000 at most. one or 2 may meet the system requirements for rosetta but not all do. My question is, if i take these computers home, and set them all up to run the rosetta project will it matter if the system requirements do not meet? I wouldnt be using the computers for anything else but the rosetta project so thats why im wondering if i can make an exception in this case. Thanks please advise
Regards,
Jose


You can try ANY machine on which you can load the software. It may work on some and it may not. If the machine is below the project requirements it may not work, but there are no implications for the project in this issue. The only problems I can see are related to the short deadlines for CASP. If the machine is really slow, you might want to run it with the shortest time setting (1 or 2 hours) so it can meet the deadlines.
49) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.22 (Message 18326)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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...I\'m going to switch my computer back to \"hidden.\"

Thanks for your help.

Bandit\'s Mom
...

While there is no requirement that you leave your computer visible, there is no real risk to you in doing os. It is almost impossible for people to assist you unless they can look at the work unit results for your computer if there is a problem. it is your choice however.
50) Message boards : Number crunching : WU : t316__CASP7 (Message 18325)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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The \"watchdog\" is a feature of Rosetta. The way the science works, they sometimes find specific protein structures that throw off the search and they end up repeating work they\'ve already done. The watchdog keeps an eye on things and detects when it thinks this might be occuring and can step in and end the work unit. ...


While this subject is not really topical to this thread, the above is not quite accurate.

The watchdog is designed to check the progress made during the processing of a work unit. If some event occurs that pauses the work (preemption by another project, users pausing a work unit, BOINC shutting down, etc) when the work unit restarts, the watch dog will check the progress made on the work unit against the progress made at the last checkpoint, If no progress has been made, and that condition repeats 4 times in a row, the work unit will be terminated.

This was added to prevent work units from entering into endless loops and never completing for days at a time.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : WU : t316__CASP7 (Message 18322)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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low Energy = -218


sorry for asking in german, here is my question in english:

How did you get this information about low energy = -218? I don\'t see this in your result page.

He probably got it from the graphic display during processing.
52) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.22 (Message 18321)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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I went back to look and it was saved as \"yes,\" but hit the \"Update\" button again, just for giggles and grins. Maybe it didn\'t take the first time around.

Bandit\'s Mom


Did you hit the \"Update preferences\" button at the bottom of the screen? I just looked again and it still shows as \"hidden\".


Looking at your two errors, one is not well described, and in fact looks like a normal work unit. The latest has a fountain of error data to examine, but at first glance it does seem to be related to the screen saver issue, (-107 error) but the window that was in the foreground when the system terminated the work unit was Explorer. This could just be an artifact of the way windows uses explorer, but is there any chance you had left your browser loaded when the problem occurred?

My best guess right now is that if you set your screen saver to something other than BOINC or turn it off (from what I read you already did that) the problem may go away. If it does could you please let us know? We are trying to fix that particular issue, and the programmers thought they had it under control. We need to know if they do not.
53) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.22 (Message 18285)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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It is possible that there is a background task running(disk defrag, virus check, etc) that is preventing your system from becoming fully idle. This of course would also prevent BOINC from processing any work.


Nope - the only other things I have open are Word (x2), Excel (x2), Reference Manager, and a Mah Jongg game program.

Here\'s the text of the error message: \"rosetta_5.22_windows_intelx86.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.\"

Bandit\'s Mom

There was a problem with the screen saver on some Windows systems with version 5.16. This was supposed to be fixed in the new release. Have you tried running BOINC with the screen saver turned off?

In order to assist you you will either have to provide a link to the reported results in your Stats list, or make your computer visible. Currently your computers are hidden so I cannot look up any of your results to see the actual errors.

You can make your computers visible from your preferences without risk to your computer security. If you want to see the kind of information others might see, you can clink on any other user in the forums, and then clink on the link to view their computers.

Of course the system will allow you to see more information on your own systems than it would reveal to others.

54) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.22 (Message 18277)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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My compuer is freezing on one of these two WUs - 19746278 or 19737574. It\'s happened several times today. I\'d come into the room, note that the graphics weren\'t animated, the steps weren\'t incrementing, and the clock would be stopped. I\'d move the mouse (I have it configured to work on the project only when I\'m not using the machine), and would get a notice that there was an error and would I like to report to MicroSoft. Next time, I\'ll get a screenshot.

Bandit\'s Mom


It is possible that there is a background task running(disk defrag, virus check, etc) that is preventing your system from becoming fully idle. This of course would also prevent BOINC from processing any work.
55) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Moderator contact thread archive (Message 18259)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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Hi,

in thread

PROJECT INFORMATION AND HELP INDEX!!!
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=1769

the last item (17) seems to be about Wikipedia, but it points to BakerLab papers.

You probably need two links, one to the publications and another to wikipedia.

Keep up the good work, Dimitris


Dr. Baker asked for that link to provide access to the Rosetta papers. That is the reason for the targeted link.
56) Message boards : Number crunching : Report Problems with Rosetta Version 5.16 II (Message 18229)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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With the release of the latest version 5.22 of Rosetta, a new thread for reporting problems has been opened here. Please continue to report version 5.16 problems in this thread. But if the issue is with version 5.22 please report in the new thread.
57) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Public Radio Journalist Looking for Participants in Seattle area (Message 18226)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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It\'s just that from the 60-70.000 Rosetta participants, very few actually check these bulletin board regularly, e.g. my esitmate is that this topic has been read by ~30 people.

We could make it sticky for a while, in the hope more people will see it.


debwang,

Actually it has been read by almost 180. But the real problem is the focused geography in the request. Rosetta has participants all over the world located on over 160 countries. You will have more luck with a phone interview than personal interviews among the user community with such a tight geographical focus. Personal interviews will work best with the actual project team.

If you want to discuss ideas on this you can contact me via e-mail as shown in this FAQ. If you have not already been in touch with some of the project people directly, I can help you there as well. I can also point you to some of the more knowledgeable users who are volunteering their computers to help the project.
58) Message boards : Number crunching : Attempted Hacking??? (Message 18221)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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No pets. And my mouse is trackball optical.(I hate having to move around regular mice.) As far as my start page, Yahoo news is my own preferred setting(Even thought Yahoo sucks and helped China track down a few people for voicing their opinions).And since they get their new mostly from the Associated Press anyway, I should make the AP my start page. The only problem I ever have with start pages it the stupid IE keeps wanting to open up to microsoft update even though Yahoo news is my default start page.
Finding the browser open didn\'t really bother me, but having the BOINC client locked out and give me an \"incorrect password\" message made me think that somthing was fishy. I would just as soon let the Boinc run and the internet connection shut off, it is a low speed,256k, connection, but the Boinc doesn\'t seem to like to work without an internet connection. Oh well. And thank you to everyone for responding.

Ohh, and this free version of Bit defender is finding infected stuff. So thanks for the heads up on better virus software. But I do like some of the features of of Norton Internet Security. Like the Parental Controls for internet site viewing. Their are things that I like to keep my kids, away from online.


Linksys routers (Cisco Systems) have a parental control next to none...but it takes some configuring, also you get the benefit of a real hard firewall as well.

And they are not too expensive.
59) Message boards : Number crunching : Connectivity is bad (Message 18218)
Posted 9 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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According to BOINCstats, 88% of the hosts are Windows based, so it wouldn\'t help MUCH... but I was wondering why not phase in a new release?

I mean release it for Linux, then 6 hours later release it for MAC, then a few hours later, release it for Windows... or any order you want, but adjust the time delay based on number of active hosts out there and average time between connections to server.


Because the goal is to get the improved application out as fast as possible. The servers can handle the load. The delay is only a matter of a few mins for any particular system. While the effects seem large in the forum response, it is not that big a deal for the automated parts of BOINC. Very few people monitor their systems so closely that they even notice any latency at all.
60) Message boards : Number crunching : How to Claim 500 Credits? (Message 18200)
Posted 8 Jun 2006 by Moderator9
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Ok, thanks. I just switched to 8h \'Target CPU Runtime\'.

Jochen

There is a detailed FAQ on this issue here


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