When i put this in app config i still sometimes get rosetta tasks instead of rosetta_python_projects

<app_config>
<app>
        <name>rosetta</name>
            <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent>
		   
    </app>
	<app>
        <name>rosetta_python_projects</name>
            <max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>



		   
    </app>
	</app_config>

One last thought for Win10. If you have ever enabled "Hyper-V", be sure to disable it (in "Turn Windows features on or off").
It is incompatible with VirtualBox.

For me, I Hyper V is not on. Never has been.
There is no way I am wiping out my OS to get some stubborn tasks.
There has to be something else holding up Python tasks.
Something that can be done without wiping out windows and spending hours reinstalling and re configuring.

How much of your cpu are you allowing it to use, in both number of cores and percentage of actual cpu usage, ie I allow 50% of the cores and 90% of cpu time?

Also what other projects are you running and what is their resource percentages? I'm thinking maybe your cache is already full.

Also what is your cache size, ie mine is 2.5 days and 1.5 days? I'm thinking if yours is set to say 0.01 for both maybe Rosetta thinks you don't have enough cache time to get tasks.

It can use as much as it wants. Right now it is using 15/16 cores 100% run (restricted 1 core for system and GPU support). GPU's are running Einstein and FAH.
With this all running it is using only 66% of the memory.
Cache is run 1 full day and store .25 days. - and this should not matter.
As stated elsewhere, I run around 16 hrs a day, no app_config scripts or anything else.
No deadlines have passed, all work has been returned in time.

Try suspending all your other Projects, except the gpu ones, and then request work from Rosetta. I'm still thinking your cache is sooo full Boinc doesn't think you will finish a task in time with a 3 day deadline. Boinc is fricking weird sometimes and has to be manhandled to do what we want it to do.

On your list it says:
11/1/2021 8:47:09 PM | Rosetta@home | [rr_sim] Result degrader_site_5fnu_3h_graft_bcov_1_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_1vo2xp9r_1803973_2_0 projected to miss deadline.

Which is what i just said you have too much work from other Projects for Rosetta to send you any tasks.

Maybe I did not include it, but it did complete in time. A couple of minutes later.
I'm not doing anything different in cache, BOINC knows how long it takes to complete stuff, its been crunching this version of a task since it first came out. I didn't change anything to the plus or minus since I got my first Python work. So it has to be something else. Besides, if BOINC thinks the work will not complete in time, then why is it downloading so much work to begin with? It is a 'manager' program so it should manage.

Note: I just opened up BOINC Tasks and had a look. Degrader and the other stuff from here are running high priority, but.....the deadline is 2 days away and for the stuff that just started it will be done in say 12+ hrs (because of the run 4 hrs and switch tasks option)
Other tasks are near completion and they have a remaining time of maximum 4 hrs.

One last thought for Win10. If you have ever enabled "Hyper-V", be sure to disable it (in "Turn Windows features on or off").
It is incompatible with VirtualBox.

For me, I Hyper V is not on. Never has been.
There is no way I am wiping out my OS to get some stubborn tasks.
There has to be something else holding up Python tasks.
Something that can be done without wiping out windows and spending hours reinstalling and re configuring.

How much of your cpu are you allowing it to use, in both number of cores and percentage of actual cpu usage, ie I allow 50% of the cores and 90% of cpu time?

Also what other projects are you running and what is their resource percentages? I'm thinking maybe your cache is already full.

Also what is your cache size, ie mine is 2.5 days and 1.5 days? I'm thinking if yours is set to say 0.01 for both maybe Rosetta thinks you don't have enough cache time to get tasks.

It can use as much as it wants. Right now it is using 15/16 cores 100% run (restricted 1 core for system and GPU support). GPU's are running Einstein and FAH.
With this all running it is using only 66% of the memory.
Cache is run 1 full day and store .25 days. - and this should not matter.
As stated elsewhere, I run around 16 hrs a day, no app_config scripts or anything else.
No deadlines have passed, all work has been returned in time.

Also what is your cache size, ie mine is 2.5 days and 1.5 days? I'm thinking if yours is set to say 0.01 for both maybe Rosetta thinks you don't have enough cache time to get tasks.

I have my cache set to 0.1 and 0.1 but I still get CPDN tasks that take 10 days so it cannot be that.

4.20 is x86_64

Yeaph. I took a quick look at rosetta.exe (with IDA64) and seems to be 64 bit native, whitout wrapper.

I think there are still quite a few 32 bits os out there, but I'd think they are a minority.
Either way, old OS are likely unpatched and vulnerable to virus, malware, ransomware infection.
i think that old intel compute stick ran a 32 bit os, because its bios is 32 bits, it is one of those things that causes limitations to upgrades.

Why does rosetta python requires 6.94gb for a vm image?

One last thought for Win10. If you have ever enabled "Hyper-V", be sure to disable it (in "Turn Windows features on or off").
It is incompatible with VirtualBox.

For me, I Hyper V is not on. Never has been.
There is no way I am wiping out my OS to get some stubborn tasks.
There has to be something else holding up Python tasks.
Something that can be done without wiping out windows and spending hours reinstalling and re configuring.

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Mikey, still nothing on my system:

CPU type AuthenticAMD
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core Processor [Family 23 Model 113 Stepping 0]
Number of processors 16
Coprocessors [2] NVIDIA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (4095MB) driver: 472.12 OpenCL: 3.0
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10
Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.19043.00)
BOINC version 7.16.20
Memory 24501.59 MB
Cache 512 KB

Intel's next generation of CPUs actually looks like it might be not just competitive against AMDs current offerings, but possibly even better.

(Jim 1348 said)
We can hope so, but they have some sort of high speed/low speed combination of processors.
That might work for ordinary use, but how about BOINC projects? I don't feel at all comfortable about it until I see some tests.

I found that R@H can overload the computer
The solution to solve the technical problem is to go in the boinc manager and tu réduce the number of used processors to around 70% or 65% to work easy

Guy

I'm guessing you got the Python work units. Those use a lot of RAM.

FAH barely uses my 1050 and 1070. But I have yet to find a good science GPU project.
I might just have to reattach to primegrid or something to get things going.

Try Einstein they have both "Gravitational Wave search O3 All-Sky" and "Gamma-ray pulsar binary search #1 (GPU)" tasks right now
with the 2nd one giving 3 times the credit of the 1st one.

I see what the problem is...a certain power supply software that I was looking at for temp monitoring and some other things is way off on its values. I had a look at MSI afterburner and its showing 98% usage which makes sense because my temps are high enough and I can hear my fans blowing.

FAH barely uses my 1050 and 1070. But I have yet to find a good science GPU project.
I might just have to reattach to primegrid or something to get things going.

Mikey, that's the whole thing....when Python first started I got a bunch. Then something went wrong and I stopped getting them. I am trying to isolate 4.2 but I can't get that to happen. I aborted 21 4.2 tasks and the server didn't blink.

Are you sure that you have re-enabled VirtualBox? The only time I don't get the pythons is on the machines where it is not installed. Otherwise, you should get a regular supply, though that is not to say that it is constant. It varies.

Jim, I run LHC ATLAS it requires Vbox.
I cleared out some old remains in there that looked to be Python.
(This was in 6.12.7 version)

I just installed 6.12.8 and related extension pack.
See if that makes any difference, but it will be tonight (EU time) before I see any results if at all due to the queue of 4.2 tasks needing to be run.

The paper is quoting a run time of a $880 GPU. 90 minutes. So put that down on our level....at least double if not triple that time.

So, what's the problem? I'm crunching Folding@Home on my entry-level gpu with wus longer than 24hs.
And, in the Boinc's world, there are a lot of people with high-end gpus

GPU has been asked for over and over again and the response is the same or ignored.

That's for sure

P.S.
Don't forget that a gpu client will attract a lot of volunteers.

Hello,

I was a little bit delighted, when Rosetta started to use VirtualBox in some projects. Many other project are using it for a while.

But also many users not want to use projects with VirtualBox, they slow down computer, it is not possible to adjust CPU temperature with TThrottle etc.

So I was delighted, when I was not able to find any selection in Rosetta preferences to disable projects with VirtualBox. Here is no way to choose Rosetta applications, which I want to run.

I don't want to opt out from Rosetta, so I tried to search some workarounds.

1. It is possible to uninstall VirtualBox form PC. But I need it to some other BOINC projects and for other activities.
2. It is possible to disable VirtualBox in BOINC. I created cc_config.xml file in BOINC data directory with:
<cc_config>
<options>
<dont_use_vbox>1</dont_use_vbox>
</options>
</cc_config>
But this way also not solved my problem. It is not possible to use VirtualBox for other projects.
3. It is possible to reduce count of tasks running in one time. I created app_config.xml in BOINC data / Rosetta data directory with:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>rosetta_python_projects</name>
<max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>
</app>
</app_config>.
Now I am running 7 normal BOINC tasks and 1 with VirtualBox in one time. It is small problem with queue of VirtualBox tasks, but it is best way which I found.

Maybe You have more suggestions?

Thank You.

There is one flaw in your idea.
Like for me, I use VM for LHC ATLAS, so what if I want to keep that running, but want to block Python?
That is the one thing I am unable to find, how to block a specific task set.
With the MD5 hash problem, a person kept getting python, but no one has figured out how to block Python and keep 4.20 tasks running.

Can you just change the number above from 1 to a zero in max_concurrent?

As for me though I'm the other way around I want Rosetta to ONLY send me Python tasks and NO 4.20 regular tasks. I'm wondering if adding another set of lines to the above app_config file will let me do that?

You might be on to something there..change the python to 4.2.
I am looking to do the same thing.
Someone in another thread said abort the 4.2 and the server should catch on.
21 tasks over 24hrs and nothing changed. So maybe the app_config would change that.

Your app_config.xml file refers to an unknown application 'rosetta_python_projects'. Known applications: 'rosetta'


so no
plus from LHC a few years ago: BOINC doesn't allow to include or exclude subprojects via app_config.xml.
This can only be done via the preferences on the project website.

And since there is no application preferences we have no control of which apps we can run or not run. You can only limit the number of concurrent tasks or cpu cores (don't try this).

But there aren't any on two Ryzen 3950X with 48 GB of memory (with 32 virtual cores).

I now have four pythons on one of the 3950X and five on the other, in the buffer.
So I have enough memory for them to download. Maybe they limit how many run at a time, or at least BOINC does I hope.

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I know FAH is separate, but I included it in the mix so you see what all is running.
I use the term "Boinc" loosely to describe the whole thing.
I reduced Boinc usage to 14 cores(90%). This should leave 1 core FAH and 1 core GPU control. I was 95% for 15 cores.

I still see 100% commit in processes (looking users tab 99.8 to a low of 96.1)
Performance shows the processor speed gained a little. Now running 3.98 to 4.02
Processes shows "Boinc" at 86% max
FAH seems steady at the moment. Now 7-8.2%
Vbox just showed up, which is LHC running, that is 4.8% max.

Probably better for the life of the chip in this configuration.

Hello,

I was a little bit delighted, when Rosetta started to use VirtualBox in some projects. Many other project are using it for a while.

But also many users not want to use projects with VirtualBox, they slow down computer, it is not possible to adjust CPU temperature with TThrottle etc.

So I was delighted, when I was not able to find any selection in Rosetta preferences to disable projects with VirtualBox. Here is no way to choose Rosetta applications, which I want to run.

I don't want to opt out from Rosetta, so I tried to search some workarounds.

1. It is possible to uninstall VirtualBox form PC. But I need it to some other BOINC projects and for other activities.
2. It is possible to disable VirtualBox in BOINC. I created cc_config.xml file in BOINC data directory with:
<cc_config>
<options>
<dont_use_vbox>1</dont_use_vbox>
</options>
</cc_config>
But this way also not solved my problem. It is not possible to use VirtualBox for other projects.
3. It is possible to reduce count of tasks running in one time. I created app_config.xml in BOINC data / Rosetta data directory with:
<app_config>
<app>
<name>rosetta_python_projects</name>
<max_concurrent>1</max_concurrent>
</app>
</app_config>.
Now I am running 7 normal BOINC tasks and 1 with VirtualBox in one time. It is small problem with queue of VirtualBox tasks, but it is best way which I found.

Maybe You have more suggestions?

Thank You.

There is one flaw in your idea.
Like for me, I use VM for LHC ATLAS, so what if I want to keep that running, but want to block Python?
That is the one thing I am unable to find, how to block a specific task set.
With the MD5 hash problem, a person kept getting python, but no one has figured out how to block Python and keep 4.20 tasks running.