Posts by mikey

1) Message boards : Number crunching : More Rosetta@home bugs (Message 88393)
Posted 28 Feb 2018 by mikey
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This is a bit of a thread derailment but it is kinda relevant. I *know* Rosetta does good, and it's worthwhile to crunch this project. But seeing your posts and the lack of any response from the project folks really does make me question taking part in this project for much longer. I suppose you are feeling the same. There are several computers in my home, using my own electricity, most of them crunching Rosetta 24/7 because I feel it is a worthwhile cause. I'm not sure how much money it has cost me, but I am really wondering if I should continue to 'donate' here.

Do they read this, do they care? Would it make much of a difference if I took my 80+ cores elsehwere? Over the last months I mangaed to get into the top 1% and top 100 of average credit users, felt well chuffed with myself. It took me time, effort and money to do this. But for what?


In the News section they announced they just released a new version 4.07 that should fix most of the problems we've been having while crunching, we will see but I hope so.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta 4.0+ (Message 88268)
Posted 12 Feb 2018 by mikey
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The same error I already reported 2 months ago and I can see it still continues.


I'm having that problem and the problem of something 'preempting' my workunits I have taken one of my machines
off of here!! It's a boinc ONLY machine and nothing is preempting anything anywhere!! I have other machine that aren't over the 50%
error mark, most are under 10%.
3) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Team Thread (Ads only, not for discussions) (Message 88266)
Posted 11 Feb 2018 by mikey
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I wish someone in the Middle East starts a team.
Almost no science contribution from this part of the world. :/


So make one!
4) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : Trying to get new crunchers (Message 88205)
Posted 1 Feb 2018 by mikey
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I didn't know this existed until yesterday PBS studios specifically spacetime (on youtube) did an episode the other day +1 to them I'm thinking :)

I'm hooked going to keep on going until we all know everything.

Just an observation I've had with the software can progress or work done be more intuitive?
I've found my way about a bit but for a short while I wasn't sure if results were being sent / completed
I'm not looking for a pat on the back just want to know its all working just right.
Not a criticism just an observation.
I'm not really explaining myself very well I know.

Have a great day


When a workunit says 'completed and validated' it has been successfully crunched and returned back to the Project for incorporation into the database.
Beyond that no one knows the exact process except the Project people involved, but everything it being done on your end that you can.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.46 (Message 75796)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Here is ANOTHER \"hyb-ab-bench\" unit that just cost me SEVEN HOURS of crunching time and THEN errored out:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=588986073

The reason:
</stderr_txt>
<message>
upload failure: <file_xfer_error>
<file_name>hyb_ab_bench_4aimA_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_53960_1303_0_0</file_name>
<error_code>-161</error_code>
</file_xfer_error>

UPLOAD FAILURE----WTF are you telling me? Is Rosetta telling me that AFTER SEVEN HOURS of crunching a unit fails to upload and I will get NO CREDITS for it???!!!!!!!! WHERE is the Scientist who designed these things? Why is SOMEONE not here explaining what the heck is going on?!!!! This is JUST ONE of my pc\'s here, I have NOT checked the others, but it is NOT the same one as the last problem I posted about having problems with!!!
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.46 (Message 75795)
Posted 24 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Rosetta@Home doesn\'t use beta testing - they use alpha testing (RALPH@Home) instead. Does this make them think that Rosetta@Home should do the beta testing instead? If so, the results are often worse than most of the alpha test BOINC projects I have my computers participate in.


I partecipate to ralph@home project, but sometimes i think that the possibility to test largely the new version/new code/etc is VERY understimated.
And admins do not partecipate on test forum.....


To be honest until some of us screamed, yelled and started aborting all the cryo units recently the Admins aren\'t HERE either!! I guess they \'are too busy\' to waste their time seeing if what they designed actually works in the REAL WORLD!!
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.46 (Message 75788)
Posted 23 Jun 2013 by mikey
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How is THIS my fault?
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=534659615

stderr out

<core_client_version>7.0.64</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
Maximum disk usage exceeded
</message>
<stderr_txt>
of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range
sin_cos_range ERROR: 1.#QNAN00 is outside of [-1,+1] sin and cos value legal range

etc, etc, ETC!!!

The pc is:
CPU type AuthenticAMD
AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor [Family 16 Model 10 Stepping 0]
Number of CPUs 6
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7
Ultimate x64 Edition, Service Pack 1, (06.01.7601.00)
Memory 12283.63 MB
Cache 512 KB
Swap space 24565.44 MB

That is SIX cpu\'s with ONLY five crunching, the other is being used to support the gpu, with some left over for whatever.

The unit took \"CPU time 14335.48\", ie 4 HOURS, and then it just errored out!! What kind of project is this right now?!!! LOTS of problems with the different kinds of units yet they are being released like this is a BETA project or something!! Rosetta is SUPPOSED to be about the SCIENCE, not releasing units to \'see if they work or not\'!! I thought that\'s what the Beta Project was all about, testing the units PRIOR to them being released here!!!
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Very long run time. (Message 75780)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Part (most?) of this is working out the kinks and helping develop new techniques by volunteering our PCs\' resources. They have made breakthroughs as evidenced in the other subforum and the twitter feed, etc. If you think you\'re getting \"screwed\" and that it\'s \"pathetic\", then it\'s probably time to move on, bro. Life is far too short to get your blood pressure up and/or be constantly worried about a background process that others use (to great benefit, granted) to crunch numbers in. Make no mistake: it\'s helping, whether the units fail or not. From the failures come learning.


Come 3.5 million and I will be gone, I have a goal that I am trying to meet and until them I am here come good news or bad.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Minirosetta 3.46 (Message 75778)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by mikey
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These hyb_cb_bench_(etc) tasks are really poor credit tasks.
they complete ok, but give you only 20 credits for your work.


I am SOOOO glad I am almost outa here!! My cryo tasks are again taking 7 hours to finish, I just use the defaults, and I am getting 20 to 25 frickin credits for them. NOW the same thing is happening with the RB units, PATHETIC!!! My eb units are doing okay but it is a pain trying to keep 10 systems clear of all the bad units!! I AM trying to help but my rac is DECLINING and my work output is RISING, that is just NOT RIGHT!!!
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Very long run time. (Message 75777)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by mikey
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The cryo units are screwing me again too:
25,773.17 115.91 20.00
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=533977210
and:
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=533939813
25,782.22 115.96 25.64
PATHETIC!!

As well as the rb units:
25,782.21 115.96 33.99
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=533965328

I am normally getting around something like this:
9,695.84 43.61 53.33
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/workunit.php?wuid=533966921

BUT these darn rb and cryo units are STILL BAD, BAD, BAD!!!
11) Message boards : Number crunching : Not getting new work units (Message 75776)
Posted 19 Jun 2013 by mikey
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I am not getting new work from Rosie, while 7 cores of my 2 Xeons are idle.
Albert is running on the GPU with 0.5CPU.
What is happening?
Rosetta is set to accept new work, 6 cores are allowed to crunch, free memory and disk space enough.

Edit: I used the hard way, remove and connect again. It did the trick after 5 more minutes and manually requesting more work.


I have done that too in the past, there is a bug somewhere!
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 75763)
Posted 15 Jun 2013 by mikey
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I am running the cryo units and this is happenning:
25,796.25 186.91 163.79
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=587401709

other cry units are doing this:
10,449.38 75.71 167.81
http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=587394445

Twice the run time and NO more credits, these darned cryo units had problems in the past, should I start aborting them AGAIN?!!!
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Very long run time. (Message 75757)
Posted 13 Jun 2013 by mikey
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I allowed new tasks and have not seen this again. I am, however, removing Rosetta from unattended systems.


That\'s what alot of people end up doing.
14) Message boards : Number crunching : quad core runs 4 (Message 75747)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by mikey
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I want my q6600 to run just 3 rosettas and anything else on the forth . running 4 boggs the system during surfing , my prefs say 3 only . but 4 Rosetta\'s run on a regular basis . any ideas ? the other projects are poem gpugrid and milky way .


try: tools -> computing preferences -> on multiprocessor systems use at most: 75% of the processors.


You can also do it on your pc and it will be on a pc by pc basis, meaning if you have muliple pc\'s you can set it differently on each one, by going into Boinc Manager, tools, computing preferences and making the same change. Be sure to click okay to make the settings work.
15) Message boards : Number crunching : extremely low crediting (Message 75737)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Thought I\'d crunch some time on R@H wu\'s again but just found out I got 10 credits for 10 hrs of crunching time on a Phenom II X4 945.
Sorry, can appreciate a joke but this is too much so I hopped to another project again.

BOINC:: CPU time: 36161.4s

Valid
Claimed credit 388.351803321246
Granted credit 10.5259902693623

I\'m in agreement, but it\'s probably because it\'s considered more humanitarian than figuring asteroid collisions. The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many. Or the other way around as appropriate.


See I\'m a goal oriented guy and am ALMOST there, meaning my time here is ALMOST up. Not quite but I am getting MUCH closer each and every day!!
16) Message boards : Number crunching : Crystalwell (Message 75720)
Posted 7 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Hi Mikey

Your first link is a 4770 and your second is a 4770k - both are socket LGA1150 so neither have the eDRAM package. It\'s only the soldered BGA chips that I listed above that have the eDRAM package that been announced so far.


Ahhhh...I saw Haswell and \'assumed\' ALL Haswell\'s were all the same. Sorry about that!!


Unfortunately not - it looks like all Haswell chips will be very good at crunching through Rosetta tasks, but I expect those with eDRAM will be the best by far... Hopefully they\'ll release a socketed version with eDRAM. Or AMD will come up with a Steamroller based equivalent pretty soon (seeing as they\'re already doing a Jaguar chip with eDRAM for the Xbox One).


On another project I saw someone say they thought the Xbox One could be dual bootable and therefore able to crunch. I think that may be wishful thinking, but I hope not. They thought the same thing for the new Sony system too.
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Crystalwell (Message 75713)
Posted 6 Jun 2013 by mikey
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Hi Mikey

Your first link is a 4770 and your second is a 4770k - both are socket LGA1150 so neither have the eDRAM package. It\'s only the soldered BGA chips that I listed above that have the eDRAM package that been announced so far.


Ahhhh...I saw Haswell and \'assumed\' ALL Haswell\'s were all the same. Sorry about that!!
18) Message boards : Number crunching : extremely low crediting (Message 75712)
Posted 6 Jun 2013 by mikey
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It is flagged as Sucess. I have not updated BOINC because I do not like some of the \"features\" in the more recent versions. The BOINC version should not affect the applications anyway.


Yes and no, as more \'features\' as you call them are implemented more and more projects will modify their programming to make use of the parts that benefit them, the part we see is only a small part of the whole. But in general the version should not make a huge difference, such as the one you saw. It does look like you are back to normal for your credits, so maybe the unit was just a faulty one.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Crystalwell (Message 75707)
Posted 5 Jun 2013 by mikey
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I also found a standalone version here:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.aspx?sku=583369
20) Message boards : Number crunching : Crystalwell (Message 75705)
Posted 5 Jun 2013 by mikey
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From what I\'ve read, I believe the Crystalwell Haswell CPUs could be great for Rosetta due to the 128MB eDRAM which is essentially a large L4 cache, which should help keep the pipelines fuller than they could otherwise be. So that\'s anything with \"Iris Pro 5200\" (AKA \"GT3e\"), which is any i7 that ends \"50HQ\".
There are three listed so far, with the slowest one not available until Q3: i7-4950HQ, i7-4850HQ & i7-4750HQ.

The articles on these chips I\'ve read only concentrate on the effect on graphics and GPU compute, with a bit of CPU compute in there, but nothing cache-heavy like Rosetta.

Unfortunately, no socketed versions have been anounced yet - they\'re all soldered on BGA chips, apparently only for OEMs.

Also, the Xbox One will have 32MB eDRAM - wonder how long it will take for someone to get Linux running on that :D

Anyone know anything about these chips/boards or planning on getting one?


Is this one soldered on too? I didn\'t think dell sold that kind?
http://dealnews.com/Dell-XPS-Haswell-i7-Quad-3.4-GHz-PC-w-23-IPS-LCD-for-850-free-shipping/745020.html


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