Posts by Jo

1) Message boards : Rosetta@home Science : Boost the project! (Message 102202) Posted 10 Jul 2021 by Jo Post: Good morning everyone... 😆 It is with great pleasure that I have been helping this project, but lately I see that it is a little abandoned. Many people stopped participating, and the work has grown a lot. Please help, because from what I have read, our help has been very important for the discovery of new proteins that help a lot in the development of therapies to cure diseases. I appeal to users to try a little harder. Thank you all. I have been told there is no community and that I should be thankful if Rosetta even bothered using my computer for any work. So i Fucked Off and dropped my initial plan to build a dedicated rig for this project. I was planning for a Ryzen9 3900X or better added once a year, but as I said, I have been told I should be grateful if I get any work to my computer at all. So I guess we are not needed.
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100205) Posted 27 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Sure, people are just donating hardware, time, power bills and more for free Yes. Except the 2nd sentence of your 1st post in these forums was about a loss of "good will" which you'd never established in the first place. And a few messages later, in response to entirely plan, honest and accurate replies, if disappointing, you were trying to claim it as a loss of community. At which point you immediately detach and send indignant PMs around. So much for it being about community and not entirely about you. Which you confirm by sending huffy forum posts even after you detached. Using the word "we" of all things. Really, you're not making yourself look any more justified. Rather, it's self-indulgent and pathetic. Really? Let us look at my first post: " Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? Is so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them. " Here is the thing, if people see no new work, and a lot of jobs in que, they will go other places. Never did I use "I" but I used "no one". You see, the latter is pointing at something plural. So how you make this about me is inside your own head. Then you reply: In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact. That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility. Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it If no one complains or in any other way raise concern, how are obvious errors get fixed? Why should one just give up and let errors continue for ever? How does that improve anything? Then i try with yet another effort on a constructive reply: I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is to important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps. To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good. I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done. Then you reply - "Idle CPUs" is 100% always a user failure - or "bug" as you mistifyingly want to call it - If "people think this is too important not to be mentioned" then they'll have missed it already having been mentioned a dozen times - "ten minutes" - yeah, ok... - "community", "us" - <puke> Now, how is this mocking from you being helpful? How does this make people feel welcome and useful? Try to explain why idle CPU _always_ i user failure. All you achieved is making me not wanting to contribute. You made me feel anything but welcome. You behave in a way that is just rude and sad. People i general like communities. People in general like an "us". Pe3ople in general like to contribute to a common good. This is one of the most important ways humans differ from all other animals. And no, this is not abut _me_. It is about Rosetta and the lack of a community and a lack of simple low effort moves that can be made to get even more people on board. So tell me, do you think Rosetta could use more processing power donated to the project? Do you care if Rosetta gains or loses computing power?
3) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100193) Posted 27 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: nothing will change When people come here wanting to help, and find the project unreliable and the community unfriendly, they go elsewhere. After a project loses the goodwill of its volunteers, where does it get the computing resources it needs? True. This is my experience. The project do not care and the "community" is toxic. Why should I then devote time, hardware and my power bill to the project? Not that it is that important any more with the results from AlphaFold2.
4) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100190) Posted 27 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: So do like I did, took my computer offline and uninstalled Boinc. Best advice Sid Celery has ever given. Tasks for computer 4415639 Interesting, you don't seem to have run out of tasks, 14 still in progress, but uninstalled BOINC because servers are not sending new ones? They were running when I paused the project, removed the project and then uninstalled Boinc. I guess there is a time out before Rosetta realizes there are nothing coming in return and the tasks get listed as failed.
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100184) Posted 27 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Sure, people are just donating hardware, time, power bills and more for free. Gee, we owe Rosetta everything and should be grateful that they are giving us some numbers to crunch. Lord forbidd some one took 10 minutes to do a remote log on just to see if it was an easy fix some where. Or wrote a couple ow words on the home page on why idling CPUs is a good thing. News flash, Rosetta needs us, we do not need Rosetta. If Rosetta does not want to engage in the community then there is no community. Apparently there is so much hardware for Rosetta that they do not need any more. And reading some of the comments here it looks like it would be a burden for Rosetta to get more hardware to crunch numbers on. So do like I did, took my computer offline and uninstalled Boinc. Best advice Sid Celery has ever given.
6) Questions and Answers : Getting started : How to delete an account (Message 100164) Posted 26 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Now that was disappointing. I had hoped for a complete deletion. But OK, I will just log of and leave. Thanks for answering.
7) Questions and Answers : Getting started : How to delete an account (Message 100159) Posted 26 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Hi! As Sid Celery explained between the lines there are more than enough CPUs available ( https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=100149#100149 ) so I am trying to delete my account. I have managed to remove Rosetta from my Boincx software and I have managed to uninstall Boinc from my PC. But I cannot fin where to delete my account here on the website. How do I do that? TIA, Jo
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100152) Posted 26 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them. In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact. That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility. Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is too important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps. To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good. I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done. This kind of comment never goes down well with me... - "Idle CPUs" is 100% always a user failure - or "bug" as you mistifyingly want to call it - If "people think this is too important not to be mentioned" then they'll have missed it already having been mentioned a dozen times - "ten minutes" - yeah, ok... - "community", "us" - <puke> Ok, I have gotten your message and taken my computer off line.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100147) Posted 25 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? If so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them. In the past, some holidays have been out of all and any contact. That may not be the case this time, but it's a possibility. Point being, it'll be fixed when it's fixed and complaining repeatedly in the forums has rarely ever solved it I see why the feedbacks are felt like complaints, but what it is meant as is an heads up that people want to do work and that idle CPUs are being wasted. People think that this is to important not to be mentioned because people care, and they get a bit bummed out when the reply can be interpreted as "what ever..." I guess no one is expecting people to leave their families to fix this, but it is a disappointment that there is no one who can spend ten minutes in a remote session to reboot the servers, just in case that helps. To build a strong and lasting community there must be an "us". There must be some feeling of "we are all in on this together". Right now that feeling is diminishing, and that is not good. I do hope there will be made some effort to both stopping this current bug to reappear, and for a solution where low effort incident resolving can be done.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 100138) Posted 25 Dec 2020 by Jo Post: Are you saying that no one can remote into and reboot the servers? Is so, that is not good. There is a _lot_ of computing and good will lost if there are millions of jobs available and no one can download them.