Posts by Grant (SSSF)

21) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109169)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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And once again we've got problems.
The Validators & Assimilators are down, so the backlog of that work continues to pile up. And if it backs up enough, then the disks end up full & things crash and fall over all over again.


Edit- looks like they're all on the one server- boinc-process
22) Message boards : Cafe Rosetta : No Work Available (Message 109168)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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When i went to bed, i was expecting Rosetta to be out of work, but another large batch has been released.
Hopefully the servers will manage to stay up and there won't be any issues this time around.
23) Questions and Answers : Preferences : How to enable GPU processing for my R@h wu? (Message 109163)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Is there something I need to do in order to enable GPU crunching?
Help develop a science application that will run on the GPU.
There are no applications for GPU processing here at Rosetta, and there are no plans for any.
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109162)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Changing the target runtime back to 8hrs, even with the folding@home contention, will take 7-11hrs out of the running tasks and a further 7-11hrs out of the cached tasks.
14-22hrs less processing time to complete tasks will make a huge difference to whether Panic mode arises.
All that does is stop Panic mode from occurring most of the time- there will still be times where it does occur (because of all the other projects all taking longer to complete their Tasks than they expect to as well).
Stopping the sharing of cores & threads will fix the actual problem, not just the symptoms.


It can certainly be solved your way, but that gets a bit fiddly imo and doesn't resolve the confusion Rosetta runtime introduces.
How is it fiddly?
I'm changing one value, and fixing the cause of the problem (over committed CPU).
You're changing one value, and fixing the symptom (Panic mode occuring).

In both cases, only one value needs to be changed.
Although it does require some thought to fix the problem, to determine what % "Use at most..." should be set to.
87% leaves 1 core/thread free for non-BOINC work (7/8=0.875).
75% leaves 2 cores/threads free for non-BOINC work (6/8=0.75).

Not really a big effort required IMHO.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109152)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Which means the the tipping point <is> a Rosetta issue after all
Nope.
If it took 12 hours to do 12 hours of work, there'd be no problem.
But because it takes 24hrs to do 12hrs work, it's a big problem. Even set to 8 hours, it would still take 16hrs, so still Panic mode.
Make it so the CPU isn't over committed, and all would be OK.

His problem is purely down to it taking 2-4 times longer than it should to process any BOINC Tasks, because the CPU is also processing Folding work on the same CPU cores/threads- X cores/threads trying to process X+1 or X+2 applications (that are using 100% of each core/thread) is always going to cause problems. As long as the number of applications being run is equal to or less than the number of cores/threads, all will be well- so limiting the number of cores/threads available to BOINC so Folding has as many as it needs (1, 2, 4 or however many that is) would sort it out.

Of course if "Use at most xx % of CPU time" is anything other than 100%, that would just add to the issues of doing Folding on the same cores/threads as BOINC work (as would any GPU Tasks from BOINC projects that require 1 core/thread per GPU Task being run to support it, and that too can be resolved, although it's more difficult than it needs to be).
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109150)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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I'd like to comment.

I see a problem, a problem that I should not be seeing. I try to make headway to resolve it, so ask.
No you don't, you just ignore what you are told as to how to fix it. Twice now.


The result of asking each time is the same, basically, the BOINC folk tell me the problem is Folding, the Folding folk tell me it is not.
And since it is occurring with a BOINC project- actually all of your BOINC projects, not just this one- might it be somewhat obvious that those of us here doing BOINC work might have some idea of what is actually going on? While those at Folding- unless they do BOINC work as well- won't have the slightest idea of what you are complaining to them about?
And if you had paid the slightest bit of attention to the responses i gave you previously, you would understand what the problem is & how to fix it.


I have set no new tasks at both. I would seem to face a choice, I can support one or the other. Both are important to me.
The third option would be to fix it so that both can co-exist, hundreds (if not a thousand +) of other people have done so.

Twice i have told you what the problem is. Twice i have told you how you could fix the problem.
And twice you have ignored completely everything you were told that would allow you to sort it out.

So, yeah, not doing either of them is probably the best option for you.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109133)
Posted 19 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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This will solve the <entirety> of your problems, while (coincidentally) massively increasing your contribution to <all> the projects you run within your preferred settings.
He's running Folding at home as well.
He asked about this issue 4 years ago and ignored all advice as to how to fix it. He asked about it again about a month or so back, and once again refused to take any advice on how to resolve it.
He just likes to whinge about things he's not prepared to do anything about- ie Look in Task manager to see exactly what processes are using CPU time, and then limiting the number of cores/threads BOINC can use so it's not impacted by those used by Folding.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109123)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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I simply stated facts.
This forum is for Issues with Rosetta@home.
If you want to post just for the sake of posting, then make use of the Cafe Rosetta forum- that's what it is there for.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109117)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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I've set no new tasks again. The current jobs have 8 hours as their runtime, but here, they are running for three times that, (4GHz i7), which is pushing my system into panic mode.
And the same issue is happening with your other projects.
Asteroids- 2hrs Runtime,1hr CPU time.
SIdock- 31.5hrs Runtime, 27hrs 40min CPU time.
Denis- 3hr 40min Runtime, 1hr CPU time.
Got to love Denis, almost 4 times as much time spent to do a given amount of work. Even worse than your Seti times.


And you have been told repeatedly how to resolve the issue, yet you continue to ignore that advice.
So why bother even posting about it?
30) Questions and Answers : Windows : Account Does Not Update (Message 109115)
Posted 23 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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You need to do everything through Science United as all the work you do counts against your Science United account. Attaching directly to a Project (such as here) creates an entirely different account, and you will download work for that particular project (in addition to any Science United has downloaded). But each will be counted separately.

From the Science United web site.

If you use Science United, you won't be able to see your BOINC credit totals on project web sites, or on sites like BOINCStats.

One of the reasons i consider it to be a waste of time. The other being you can't set preferences for which projects are more important than others (if that is the case) and give them preference for doing work.



I would suggest dropping Science United, and just attaching to the projects you want to do. If you want to use it, then detach from this (and any other) project that you have attached to and, only use Science United.
31) Questions and Answers : Windows : How do I identify and clean up old project data? Need to free up disk space. (Message 109112)
Posted 25 days ago by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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My stats show 973 failed tasks.
There were issues with the servers the other week, and all work returned failed Validation, even if it was Valid.
It is now working correctly.


Can I delete any of these files? Is there a cleanup procedure? I'd like to complete any existing work and then pause my activity until I can get set up on a new system. I don't know if it matters, but I don't want to leave any work incomplete.
Set No new Tasks and complete and report all current work.
Then Reset the project. That will clear out all of the science application files & support files, and they will be re-downloaded as necessary,
However, don't expect it to free up that much disk space, as many of the files are common between the different applications.



If a lack of disk space is an issue- you'd be better off cleaning out all the files in your Windows/temp folder, and in Windows Explorer, right click on Local DIsk (C:), Properties, down near the bottom right, DIsk cleanup, Cleanup System files (and under the More options tab you can cleanup old System restore images, and/or programmes you don't use).[/quote]
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109097)
Posted 7 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Picked up a couple of resends, and they Validated OK.
Just need the Invalids re-validated & all will be good.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109096)
Posted 6 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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As you also say, hopefully their next job is to revalidate our older tasks from April 3rd ~22:00 UTC to April 6th ~05:20
*Fingers crossed*
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109089)
Posted 5 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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These INVALID results are a problem with the Rosetta BETA binary.
No, they are a result of the system outage, which when resolved came back with the Validator not working (even though the Server Staus page shows it as running).

I would expect the vast majority of all the Invalid Tasks are actually Valid. They just need to fix the Validator, then re-Validate all the Invalid Tasks.
That way every one will get Credit for the work they have done, except for those few Tasks that are actually Invalid.
35) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109078)
Posted 4 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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The problem is that some of these wus are near the deadline.
It's a pity to throw away the work done.... (i don't care a lot about points, i care about science)
And it will stop you from being able to get new work from other projects as well.
So return them & get more work & hope the project fixes up all the failed Validation Tasks when they fix the Validation issue.

As it is, if they don't Validate then they won't (or they shouldn't) go into the science database. If it's not Valid, then it's not going to be of use to science. That's the whole point of Validation, otherwise it's just garbage in, and then garbage out.
36) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109075)
Posted 4 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Have i to stop the upload?
It will stop you from getting new work, but it is the only way to stop returned work from not Validating until the project fixes the issue.
They could also re-run the validation of the presently failed Tasks, but i don't like the odds of that actually happening.
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109074)
Posted 4 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Let's see if these work units are still credited.
If it's not Valid, there is no Credit.
38) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109071)
Posted 4 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Yep, The Validator is borked,

For me, anything returned from 3 Apr 2024, 22:02:46 UTC fails, and a quick look at th top computers shows the same thing- everything going back at present fails Validation.

If someone could get the Projects attention?
39) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 109066)
Posted 3 Apr 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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Right now they are 32 core with 16gb of RAM. Which should be enough for crunching.
Some Rosetta 4.20 Tasks require over 2GB of RAM.
32*2= way more than 16GB.
Although the larger RAM Tasks have been very few and far between, 500MB to 1GB has been the usual range for Rosetta 4.20 Tasks lately. And 32*.5= all your RAM.

16GB RAM on a system with 64 cores/threads is way, way, way too little.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : Why no work on my computer since Feb 17, 2024 (Message 109054)
Posted 31 Mar 2024 by Profile Grant (SSSF)
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so even if it was necessary to employ those settings for that individual Project, those settings have gone rogue over all the other projects by now.
As i mentioned in my previous post, that isn't how it works.
The settings for that project, will affect only that project.
The computation settings are the same for all projects, regardless of where they are set- setting them on the web is exactly the same as if they were set locally (just more convenient).



so while ensuring web page settings for each project are as close to your local settings as possible, it's best to ensure you use local Boinc prefs so everything's as familiar and controllable as possible.
That's why web based settings are best- they are the same for each & every project, except for those settings that apply only to a project itself.

If you have more than one computer, then you need to manually make the changes to all of your computers if you use local settings.
And even if you only have one computer, web based settings are best. If it dies & you get another one, if you use local preferences then you have to change each and every setting that isn't a default value. Using web based settings, all you need to do is install BOINC & attach to your projects. The system will get those settings from the project site & it's done.


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