Posts by yoerik

41) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta now abandonware? (Message 96517)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Project -> News & Articles about Rosetta
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah/rah_news_media.php

to be fair - the last article listed there is from 2017. That's not up to date, in any sense of the term.


The last article detailing Rosetta in a journal was April 2nd - ok, maybe not daily but peer review is not daily :-

https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_forum.php?id=202


Huh?

No clue what you're talking about. The OP is upset about a lack of communication from the project to us. This has nothing to do with peer-reviewed articles being published by the project, in a renowned medical journal. Mod.Sense pointed to the "News and Articles about Rosetta" Tab - I pointed out that the section they're pointing to is over 2 years out of date. Another argument about that is - this is not communication from the project to us volunteers, it's the news press discussing the project... making it useless to the point of this thread, even if it was up to date.

This is a similar conversation that's started here:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13533&postid=96439
about the lack of communication between the project, and the volunteers - which is a fair conversation to have. Does this alleviate the apparent confusion?
42) Message boards : News : Rosetta's role in fighting coronavirus (Message 96513)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Exactly. One of the major issues with Distributed Computing has been keeping users active.
Updates are one of the best ways to do that.


It's not much to ask to be kept up to date, within reason. We don't need daily updates - but it's reasonable to request updates more frequently than once every few months.
43) Message boards : Number crunching : Rosetta now abandonware? (Message 96512)
Posted 15 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Project -> News & Articles about Rosetta
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/rah/rah_news_media.php

to be fair - the last article listed there is from 2017. That's not up to date, in any sense of the term.
44) Message boards : Number crunching : 2nd shortage looming? (Message 96491)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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hi, if the researchers need to evaluate the current results before the next batch, please make announcements on the main web page as well as in boinc-gui so that people would hang on in the project. if there is going to be a pause in between, do state so and give estimate of the pause duration if possible.

a pause is not a bad thing, people may perform maintenance in between, upgrades, restart servers etc.


There are multiple studies underway at all times. So, when one stops to evaluate results and plan next work to send, another has completed their plans for next work to send, and is sending it out. There is also a steady stream of work coming in through the Robetta servers.


I s'pose this means that this now-present shortage will be resolved quickly?
45) Message boards : News : Rosetta's role in fighting coronavirus (Message 96475)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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You should post these updates on the Rosetta@home website and send out a notice.
https://twitter.com/RosettaAtHome/status/1260368548976713730 and https://twitter.com/RosettaAtHome/status/1260368892695699457

"COVID update:

Our project scientists submitted over 28M "scaffold design" work units in recent weeks.

Those helped enable a further 200M "binder design" calculations!

Initial laboratory testing of these candidate COVID treatments is underway.

Thanks to all crunchers!"

"This is just the first wave. Expect hundreds of millions of additional work units to be issued in the coming weeks and months.

We need you now more than ever!"

The news tab, as it sends out an alert to our clients - is certainly a larger audience than Rosetta's twitter page. I agree -- it does help to have more frequent updates as we haven't had a notice directly related to COVID-19, or Rosetta@home science, since April 4th. Their science should be the absolute priority - but it shouldn't be much to ask to repost that message here, or to even merely link to those kinds of tweets.
46) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 96474)
Posted 14 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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This WU:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1177441830 has only progressed 2 minutes in the last 12 hours. My phone is running other WUs just fine - having reported 4 valid WUs today for Rosetta, and more for smaller projects like WCG. It just isn't running.

I'll provide any additional information as requested, as soon as possible. Its deadline is tomorrow, and it has been stuck at 16% (4 hrs 10 minutes, now up to 12 minutes) for ages. What should I do?

For tasks like that, I'd let try to run for about twice the time limit set for your Rosetta@home tasks, then abort it. This is in case the problem is only in reporting the progress.

Aborting it is in case it is now waiting for something that will never happen,

In the meantime, you might try making more memory available for it, by blocking any other tasks from starting but allowing any tasks that have started to continue until they finish.


Hmm - I paused one or two other WUs - and it started working again. Rip. I'll have to babysit Rosetta WUs on that device to make sure no more than 3 of them are running at once. At least it's a phone - so it won't be as much of a bother. Thanks so much, Robert.
47) Message boards : Number crunching : Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home (Message 96470)
Posted 13 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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This WU:
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/result.php?resultid=1177441830 has only progressed 2 minutes in the last 12 hours. My phone is running other WUs just fine - having reported 4 valid WUs today for Rosetta, and more for smaller projects like WCG. It just isn't running.

I'll provide any additional information as requested, as soon as possible. Its deadline is tomorrow, and it has been stuck at 16% (4 hrs 10 minutes, now up to 12 minutes) for ages. What should I do?
48) Message boards : Number crunching : 2nd shortage looming? (Message 96414)
Posted 13 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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The queue was brought up to over 9 million on April 28th - https://web.archive.org/web/20200428015118/http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

fell to 5.7 million WUs less than a week later https://web.archive.org/web/20200502165444/https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

and has depleted to 1.5 million as of the latest update at 19:xx UTC today. So, while much of this can be marked up to the BOINC Pentathlon's tendency to Bunker WUs - the end result will still be a potential shortage of WUs.

So because of these stats - it's fair to wonder if we'll be running into another shortage.

Note: Just wanted to start this discussion, not to yell at the scientists or mods to make more WUs. Please refrain from doing so in this thread, or in general. We're not entitled to WUs - I just wanted to start the conversation... a healthy conversation.


My understanding is the current tasks help determine the path the next round of tasks follow so yes they dwindle down and then pop back up again.

we'll have to wait and see what happens.
49) Message boards : Number crunching : 2nd shortage looming? (Message 96276)
Posted 8 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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The queue was brought up to over 9 million on April 28th - https://web.archive.org/web/20200428015118/http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

fell to 5.7 million WUs less than a week later https://web.archive.org/web/20200502165444/https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

and has depleted to 1.5 million as of the latest update at 19:xx UTC today. So, while much of this can be marked up to the BOINC Pentathlon's tendency to Bunker WUs - the end result will still be a potential shortage of WUs.

So because of these stats - it's fair to wonder if we'll be running into another shortage.

Note: Just wanted to start this discussion, not to yell at the scientists or mods to make more WUs. Please refrain from doing so in this thread, or in general. We're not entitled to WUs - I just wanted to start the conversation... a healthy conversation.
50) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95890)
Posted 3 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Thanks from my wife and I. Think I did it but notices still says this project is using old URL. Will that go away eventually?

If you look at the Project's properties, you can see what the URL is. Although, they went away the second I switched URLs - so you probably didn't. Check the project properties, and if it's not https://, try again.
51) Message boards : Number crunching : Initial Estimated completion time problem. (Message 95730)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Estimated CPU Time isn't always accurate - how long are they actually running? (try to run one as a test, if you haven't ran them)?
Ah, from my first sentence in my initial post-
After running Rosetta for over a month



Yes, some finish earlier. Some finish later. Some finish a lot later. But around 90% would be finished within 5-10min of the Target CPU Runtime.

I'm referring to the WUs that BOINC Manager is saying will finish in 4 hours 30 mins - not overall. I hope that clarifies what I'm referring to. What is the difference between that estimated runtime and the actual runtime?
52) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95727)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I think your current work all gets dumped. I think mine did, for 4 cpus. I'm afraid to try it again.

It does. That's why I set Rosetta to "no new tasks" - and let the queue run out, before removing and readding Rosetta under the new SSL URL.
53) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95725)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Some companies have approached us about donating computing resources through R@h but will only do so through SSL for security reasons.

When will BOINC manually update Rosetta@Home's listing to correct the change? Every day passes - more users attach using the http:// standard. Also - please edit the original newspost so people realize that removing the project will remove all the ongoing work? It's a minor change that could help quite a few people.
54) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95724)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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MacOS Catalina 10.15.4

After removing Rosetta@home - Open BOINC Manager - enter Advanced view. Enter the "add project" menu. There should be a textbox for "project URL" Copy and paste the new URL into that box, instead of selecting a specific project. Then just attach the project as normal.

I hope that's right (I don't have a mac ;p) but if not, you'll need to ask in the Mac OS support section/wait until a Mac junkie pops by here.
55) Message boards : Number crunching : Initial Estimated completion time problem. (Message 95720)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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After running Rosetta for over a month, with a couple of Application updates during that time, my Estimated completion time for newly downloaded work was generally within 15 minutes of my Target CPU Runtime (default, 8hrs) with an Estimated Remaining time for unstarted work of 7hrs 45min.

With the new application (and so no processing history), the initial Estimated Remaining time is 4hr 30min- just over half of the actual Target CPU Runtime. This is going to result in a huge number of Tasks missing their deadlines & being re-issued, and many of them will be re-issued to other hosts that will miss their deadlines & those Tasks just going to waste.

The ideal fix would be for the Estimated completion time to always be the same as the Hosts Target CPU Runtime. If tasks finish sooner, or it runs till the Watchdog timer ends it- not a problem. There is almost no chance of the Host missing deadlines* because the Estimated completion time will always start with the the most frequent actual CPU Runtime, being it's Target CPU Runtime.
The next best option would be for the initial Estimated completion time for a new Application or new Host to be double the present Initial Estimated completion time. People will still get work, but there will be no chance of Tasks going to waste due to multiple missed deadlines because of the unrealistically short Estimated completion times.






* Those hosts with huge cache settings & large & variable differences between CPU time & Runtime will always tend have issues with deadlines.


Estimated CPU Time isn't always accurate - how long are they actually running? (try to run one as a test, if you haven't ran them)?
56) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95718)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I used to use BOINC for SETI, but I am a total newbie here. I detached the project and then reattached it, but nowhere did I see the https: or a place to put that url. Can someone give me a tiny steps for tiny minds explanation a la Trump. (with bullets, a picture of me and my name?)

Are you on Windows, Linux or Android?
57) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95717)
Posted 2 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Using BAM is this possible without losing stats?

to my knowledge - no. I've detached hosts multiple times on Windows and Android - Once BAM has the stats logged, to my knowledge and experience - it is logged. No amount of credit I've seen has been lost.
58) Message boards : News : Switch to using SSL (Secure Socket Layer) (Message 95686)
Posted 1 May 2020 by Profile yoerik
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We updated our project to use SSL. The project URL has thus been changed to https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta. You can reattach the project using this updated URL at your convenience. Please post any issues regarding this update in the discussion thread.


Does detaching then reattaching change the URL? If not how is one to do this? For the non computer geek type people.

We attached the project using the old URL. So by reattaching the project, you change the URL. Manually copy and paste the link https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/
into the add project tab, to make sure it works properly.
59) Message boards : Number crunching : 8 cores but only one Rosetta file? (Message 94663)
Posted 17 Apr 2020 by Profile yoerik
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I am wondering if this is a limitation in Rosetta or if there is another problem. I have an i9-9900KF Intel chip, it has 8 cores, and I can run quite few tasks. Right now it is running 8 tasks, 7 from WCG and 1 from Rosetta. My question is, why is Rosetta only get one task? My resources are set to 100%, 28.57 for three projects and 14.29% for a fourth project that is on pause.. why is WCG getting more resource share? Is that because I downloaded the manager from WCG instead of Boinc? I think it should all be the same. Or is this a Rosetta limitation, they only one a computer to work on one file at a time?

EDIT: So I suspended WCG and Rosetta immediately connected and downloaded more files, however, now, Rosetta is taking over WCG and WCG projects are not running. Why is the system not balancing? I would like to run half of each, but the system seems to think that isn't the way it will work. Before, years ago, I remember I was able to allocate a percentage to each project, and it seems it is allocated, but not being followed. Help!


From my experience - it only sends a handful/one initially to test your computer, and sends more until it can establish your computer is a trustworthy host that does valid work.

As for the rest - why it overtakes - well, that's because it takes a few days for the manager to balance. Rosetta also has shorter deadlines than most WCG projects, and the client automatically focuses on shorter deadlines. So, give it time - don't suspend tasks - just monitor it to see if it improves on its own, and let it run.

You can also go to your WCG settings and set up a device profile, which can limit the amount of work it sends for each project you're signed up with. The other things you can do is go to the BOINC Manager - Computing Preferences - and reduce the backlog of work.
60) Questions and Answers : Android : 2020 and no Android task (Message 93976)
Posted 9 Apr 2020 by Profile yoerik
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Same problem here, no tasks.

Still none?


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