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(Message 97879)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Thanks, Grant. I've always just used the local preferences in BOINC. I now see what I presume is the default setting of 100 in my Rosetta prefs. But no corresponding setting in WCG (my one other project). No matter as I'm planning to continue sitting back per your suggestion and watch how BOINC balances the two projects. It piques my curiosity when, as it has a couple times over the past couple days, BOINC pauses a nearly complete Rosetta unit due in less than 2 days to download and start processing a shorter-duration OpenPandemic unit that is due in five days. All shall be revealed in the fullness of time. Thanks, Robert. I feel a bit silly having missed Device Manager. Now I see under the custom option that it's set to 60% max. Tempted to adjust that now, but restraining myself for the time being. Eric |
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(Message 97877)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by EHM-1 Post: In your account, Rosetta@ home preferences, Resource share.What's easiest is to set Rosetta at say 50%, WCG at 25% and some orther project at 25% and let Boinc figure it out,which it will do over time. Just be sure to keep your cache sizes small so you don't run into deadline problems. With Rosetta's 3 day deadline if you have 3 days of work NO other projects will crunch because their deadline will be further out than 3 days.Where are these resource share settings hidden? Thanks, Grant. I've always just used the local preferences in BOINC. I now see what I presume is the default setting of 100 in my Rosetta prefs. But no corresponding setting in WCG (my one other project). No matter as I'm planning to continue sitting back per your suggestion and watch how BOINC balances the two projects. It piques my curiosity when, as it has a couple times over the past couple days, BOINC pauses a nearly complete Rosetta unit due in less than 2 days to download and start processing a shorter-duration OpenPandemic unit that is due in five days. All shall be revealed in the fullness of time. Eric |
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(Message 97867)
Posted 2 Jul 2020 by EHM-1 Post: What's easiest is to set Rosetta at say 50%, WCG at 25% and some orther project at 25% andlet Boinc figure it out,which it will do over time.Just besure to keep your cache sizes small so you don't run into deadline problems. With Rosetta's 3 day deadline if you have 3 days of work NO other projects will crunch because their deadline will be further out than 3 days. Where are these resource share settings hidden? Eric |
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(Message 97831)
Posted 30 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Follow-up to my previous post, just out of curiosity: Why would BOINC interrupt a work unit in progress to start another? I promise I'll hold off on questions now... Eric |
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(Message 97828)
Posted 29 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Thanks for that input, guys! I thought it might be a case of settling in to a routine. I've tweaked the settings according to Grant's suggestions, and will now sit back for a stretch and see how things shake out. Eric |
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(Message 97824)
Posted 29 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Well, the adventure continues, with a new question about BOINC's work unit triage decisions. In the below task listing, can anyone explain this scenario, referring to the screenshot below? Note: With my current settings, BOINC processes three work units at a time.
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(Message 97809)
Posted 29 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: When I first saw your msg for some reason none of the other very good replies and suggestions were showing, nor were your useful images, so I've only just caught up. @Sid: Very good of you to go through all that so thoroughly for me! I've implemented most of your suggestions. And thanks for the tip about where application priority is assigned in Windows -- never been in that corner of Task Manager before. I do now suspect that it was expired work units that may have hung up Rosetta. Since it fetched new ones and resumed processing yesterday, I'm now waiting to see when BOINC will fetch new work units for WCG, which it has yet to do since it finished the batch it processed yesterday. Today I've been messing with various commands to probe how that all works. Funny to think that after almost 20 years of running BOINC, I've learned more about it in the last two days than in the entire preceding time. Thanks again! Eric |
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(Message 97794)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post:
@Peter: Thanks for answering. Per your suggestion to log in to BAM, I just created a Boincstats account, and no projects are listed. I assume that's because the CPID field in my profile there is empty. I tried renewing it, but that did not populate it. But I remembered having seen a project listing for myself there yesterday (first time ever on that site)(maybe in conjunction with looking for signature stats code to use here?), and by looking in my history I found the project listing I'd seen yesterday, which is under my SETI username (created in '99) of EHM-1. If I click on the "detailed stats" link there, it takes me to a stats page that looks like yours, lists SETI and Rosetta, but not WCG. It of course shows a different user id from the one in the account I just created. I'm wondering if a sort of dummy account was generated in Boincstats by my having added their signature box url to my profile here. I can no longer say how I came up with that url with the EHM-1 user id (https://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/40364120/sig.png). So now of course I'm completely lost. I can't say how Boincstats knows about EHM-1, nor why it would have a user id without me having created an account, but I assume I should dump the new account and try to create a log-in based on the EHM-1 user id. I will try that now. Sorry to be so clueless, and feel free to abandon any attempt to rescue me! Eric PS, follow-up: I deleted my BAM account, and can't see any way to create one based on an existing user id. |
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(Message 97784)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post:
@SId: Yes, I do have some suspension criteria selected, for reasons I mentioned below (running ArcGIS, for one). Yesterday's comp prefs are below in message 97710. The prefs I've been trying since last night are below in this message. @Brian re screensaver: Yes, since the setting changes I made yesterday, BOINC is now processing work units when I'm using the computer. Until then, I'd always had it set to process only after I'd been idle for a certain time. For many years I've had Windows set to invoke the screensaver after x minutes idle, and BOINC to start processing after x+1 minutes idle. The screensaver kicking in is a fun gimmick that always catches kids' (and the rare curious adults') attention, and helps perpetuate my legend among my friends' kids that I'm some kind of eccentric mad genius communicating with aliens via my computer. Thanks to you guys' help, I predict my Rosetta ranking will now soar into the low 300,000s. Now off to pick out a limo... Eric PS- Anyone have an idea why my signature stats don't show WCG? Is there maybe a lag between adding the project and the stat-box-generator capturing a new user? I added WCG yesterday or the day before from within BOINC mgr, and started using the signature yesterday. |
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(Message 97747)
Posted 28 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Well, you are all very helpful! I'm happy to say that some tweaks I tried an hour ago, before I read the past several posts, are somewhat in line with your suggestions. So I'm tentatively upgrading my self-assessment from dolt to simpleton. @Brian, your first sentence there, so simply put, immensely increased my understanding of how these work units are handled. I think that concept should be presented to every BOINC user on day one. Years ago, at the inception of BOINC, if I'd be told half of what you all have imparted to me today, I would have been a much better contributor all these years. Until now, seeking guidance in the forums has been frustrating and mostly unfruitful. Thankee! PS- As I've been writing, BOINC is processing three work units simultaneously, which I assume means it's using three cores per my new CPU setting. I still have the switch-between interval set at 1,000 minutes, so I hope that does not cause my OpenPandemic tasks to expire. We'll see. |
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(Message 97724)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Any particular reason you stop Boinc so much? I leave mine on all the time, with very few programs that it slows down, so I set those as exclusive applications to pause Boinc when they run. 3 games, and VLC media player. Some stop the GPU, some stop the CPU also. I guess when I set it up years ago, I just didn't want it to keep the computer running all day. But maybe I'll try giving it more time and resources. Eric |
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(Message 97720)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Thanks, @Robert and @Grant. I've never received such prompt and good input in a forum before. Grant, I suspect the only program I use that might tax the processor at times would be ArcGIS, which might have moments when it could be considered heavily multi-threaded. I'm out of my depth trying to determine whether I'll regret giving BOINC more resource access. Robert, I think I'll try your 51/100 settings tip. I wonder if I should alter the memory settings? Eric |
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(Message 97710)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: @EricM: Thanks to the three of you for your input! @Peter, your 17-hour comment addresses a question I almost posed. It would be good of the Lords of BOINC to make clear in the settings if the application switching interval setting refers to elapsed time or task run-time. @Brian, I was planning to implement your suggestions, but first waited to see how BOINC would react to my having suspended World Community Grid / OpenPandemics (my only other active project). As I suspected might occur, Rosetta started processing again at screensaver invocation, and I noted that BOINC had fetched four new Rosetta units. Of course I don't know if that was prompted by the suspension and/or the result of my having changed the application switching interval, or mere coincidence. Given this, would you say I should still change my work storage settings? To answer your questions:
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(Message 97701)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post:
Thanks for the tip, Peter. I switched it from 120 minutes to 1,000 for now to see what happens, double what I've observed as the process time for a Rosetta task. And now I'm suspending my second project temporarily to see if Rosetta resumes the task when the screensaver kicks in. Eric |
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(Message 97696)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Thanks for letting me know about the screenshot problem, Brian. I wish I could edit my post. Posting below via imgur. There are no Rosetta tasks in my task listing. |
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(Message 97686)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: EricM, Below is a shot of the project properties in BOINC. I don't know of any way to see the status of the current work unit other than to let the screensaver start running and read it from the BOINC status messages that run before the project screensaver does. From the event log, here are the most recent Rosetta-related messages that contain anything other than "no tasks sent/project requested delay": 6/24/2020 7:16:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Result hbnet_surface_design3_0.7_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_3yb2cw0d_949347_1_0 is no longer usable 6/24/2020 7:16:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Result miniprotein_relax2_COVID_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9db4ko0a_949448_2_0 is no longer usable 6/24/2020 7:16:42 PM | Rosetta@home | No tasks sent 6/24/2020 7:16:42 PM | Rosetta@home | Project requested delay of 31 seconds and the most recent Rosetta-related messages prior to the above: 6/23/2020 3:51:03 PM | Rosetta@home | Task hbnet_surface_design3_0.7_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_3yb2cw0d_949347_1_0 is 1.74 days overdue; you may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it. 6/23/2020 3:51:03 PM | Rosetta@home | Task miniprotein_relax2_COVID_SAVE_ALL_OUT_IGNORE_THE_REST_9db4ko0a_949448_2_0 is 0.70 days overdue; you may not get credit for it. Consider aborting it. 6/23/2020 3:51:03 PM | Rosetta@home | URL https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/; Computer ID 3864355; resource share 100 6/23/2020 3:51:03 PM | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 8050566; resource share 100 |
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(Message 97684)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: EricM, Hi Robert, and thanks for the info. I added the second project at your suggestion, thanks for that as well. But the Rosetta pause occurred before that, and has several other times in the past couple months. So I still wonder why it's not finishing the current task. Eric |
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(Message 97676)
Posted 27 Jun 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Hello Sid and all- Not sure if this is related to what Steven is encountering: On my computer Rosetta will run for days as expected, then do nothing for a day or two, then resume normal behavior. I've never seen any explanation for this. I'm currently in one of these down times. Yesterday I added a second project to my BOINC acct, and it is running as expected. As far as I know, Rosetta is still paused in mid-task. Anyone have an idea what might be causing this? Eric |
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(Message 94155)
Posted 11 Apr 2020 by EHM-1 Post: FYI to anyone who may be paying attention: Rosetta resumed apparently normal behavior on my desktop this morning, after around 2 days of appearing stalled. I have no idea what is causing this behavior. Any ideas? Original post https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&postid=92534#92534. Eric |
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(Message 94072)
Posted 10 Apr 2020 by EHM-1 Post: Anyone else seeing this behavior? (follow link above to message 92354) After resuming apparently normal function for 8-10 days, the screensaver is displaying this blank template the past day and a half. Eric |
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